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I'm considering selling my P64 375H&H safari rifle along with all of it's accessories. It was made in 1959 and has 2 factory installed cross bolts and original red rubber pad. The stock has a few minor dings (I used it on my first safari). Minor blue wear and bright bore. Talley bases with peep. This rifle has shot sub MOA with everything from 235gr Speers to 350gr Woodleighs. I have taken 3 cape buffalo with it along with various plains game as well as deer in NA. In looking at a few websites I'm thinking it is worth $3500?
Also selling the syn stock, a Brown Precision IIRC, Kahles 1.5-6 illuminated scope, brass, dies, bullets 1 inch and 30mm Talley QR rings and Pachmayr decelerator to fit factory stock.
Was thinking if someone wanted the whole enchilada it is worth about $5000?
If I sell the Brown Precision stock and Kahles scope separately what do you suppose they are worth?
Thanks!

I'm no expert on the 375's but as a fan of all things pre 64 Model 70 I'd say you're about right with the rifle at $3500.
The stock I'd say $5-600, scope $6-$700.
Beautiful rifle by the way!

Thanks. It's time for someone else to make memories with it.

The main detriment to the Brown Precision stock is where the sling swivel stud is. Plus it’s inletted for a pretty heave barrel profile. Thing that can be fixed for sure. I’d probably put a price tag on that stock for about $450 at most. If it’s a poundR. A standard Brown and it might be even less.

As member here over a decade and "IF" you're an expert Mr. B, to the extent of assurance that 375 H&H is all original and of an accurate condition description, that accounts for a lot considering your price and today's markets. Perhaps toward top end but likely reasonable. That said... I'd question the sling swivels and need a better look at some pix of the whole rifle before the buyer "launch button"; were I interested. I'd want assurance of a supple pad which seems unlikely for a 70 year old+ gun and the proclivity to store guns on their butts. An original pad unfit for use without further damage, the age typical pre '64 conundrum. I have such situation myself and WCA question posed, the gathering of eagles conclusion of "keep as .257 Roberts, postwar determined of "original pad", as original at expense of deterioration. Being "picky", you bet! When you get into "multi M" transactions the "prudent collector-buyer" "Picky Are Us"! As a reasonable price with one partial photo, I'd say definitely... Not!
Good luck and just my take!
Best!
John

“multi M” ?

Did Hunter Biden own it?

Huh??? Are you saying you are interested in buying it?

Nope! No buyer! Just I think you have a nice rifle and likely providing an honest description. But you're in a price realm where perhaps your highest 'potential' buyers are going to want more than a single partial photo. "A few minor dings" to you may mean "abused" to someone else. Photos sell and avoid subjective narrative hell!
Good luck!
John

Absolutely correct on valuation based on one picture. Also, I don’t think the factory started putting in cross bolts until the last couple years of the pre 64’s. That started with the 458’s because they were notorious for splitting sticks. They started doing the 375’s in ‘62 or ‘63 from what I’ve been told. I could be wrong. Please correct me if I am. For a rifle like this, I’d want to see plenty of pictures, to confirm value.

...Observation: X bolts on pre '64 .375 H&H stocks were rare. If installed, the x-bolts were plugged with bakelite. IMO, the x-bolts on above rifle may very well be "Factory installed" plugs. But NOT pre '64 plugs. Just saying.

Well of course IF I decide to list it, it will be in the classifieds with lots of pictures. I'm just trying to get a relative value to see what the market for this and the various accoutrements is.
Re the crossbolts on the factory stock, they sure appear to be factory installed and the SN puts it at 1959 manufacture, could that have been a custom install? Did Winchester do custom work then?
Turns out I might have a hunt on Kodiak coming up and if that turns out to be the case the conversation in moot.
And I really hate selling rifles.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...-magnum-40-1960-41-.cfm?gun_id=102368761

Here’s one that was listed in the last couple of days. You’ll notice the stock does not have the crossbolts. It is a later rifle than yours. I personally think he’s pretty high, especially given the replacement pad.

Just a data point, and hopefully a non-issue as I’m hoping your Kodiak trip comes together for you!

If you look at the picture of the left side it has 2 crossbolts. Although they are covered with epoxy as one of the previous posts noted.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/6438858/Winchester_70_375_H_H

Some interesting discussion of the same from about a decade ago. It is interesting to note that one of the posters stated that replacement stocks came with the crossbolts/pins.

Your post above also prompted me to dig through Rule re: the plugs only showing on one side. And while Rule does verify that it was only the 458 that had crossbolts, there is one paragraph on page 168 that describes how some of the later 458 guns only had the bakelite plugs on one side of the gun.

So it would seem that mine are not factory crossbolts but were installed some time later. Thanks for the info 👍.

Blacktailer. While your rifle may not be 100% original, I'd take that one over one without the crossbolts. I'd also be sure it was properly glass bedded as well. That may just be me, but I've seen a lot of the heavy kickers split their stocks. I know, other guys here have not. However, It was actually quite common. Even the 338wm's were notorious for splitting stocks. Now, for value. It's going to be hard to find one exactly like yours due to the cross bolts. Most do not have them. Still, the best way to determine value is to look through completed sales on gunbroker and also comparable rifles on gunsinternational. I've personally seen one for less than $2,000.00 very recently, and it was fairly original, just in poor condition. Some may even say 90%, but I'd rate it more like 75% condition. It had the original pad, but it was in poor condition. The problem with some of these older rifles is you sometimes reach a point of diminishing returns.

No one else has really commented on your Brown Precision stock. Not trying to be a smart azz, but I've bought them for $400.00. In reality, the only way you are going to know it's true value is by listing it on gunbroker. Set a reserve if you want, or a starting price of what you can live with. I really can't see the package selling for $5,000.00, as you were hoping, but you never know. The last 375 I bought, I paid $600 for it. It was all original except for the rechambering to WBY. That hurt the value considerably. It was also a transition and was not drilled for scope mounts on the rear bridge, so it was damn near worthless to me. That rifle sold for $1,600.00 approx. IF I had your rifle, I'd probably put a starting price of $2,500.00 on it and see where that went. I'd also sell the Brown Precision separately. There may be someone willing to pay $500 for it. The front sling swivel stud would be an easy one to fix, but does reduce the value. IMHO..

It's a dandy rifle and I tend to agree with BSA's numbers.

Thanks for your insights!