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For a newbie you've gotten good about throwing out the troll word, especially to a poster who's been here since 2012. while you've only been here a little over a month and have over 400 posts. I'd say you're a sockpuppet who will soon be exposed.

Newbie..............you need to respect your elders.

maybe he's breating in too much manure he produces

Stick...that you?

Dude, I'm just a random irrelevant anonymous guy on the internet that wants to talk matter of fact truths about shooting and hunting.

Some "elders" here say this joker is really "Maser". He's yet to deny it. Not even in all the stupid PMs the idiot has sent me. I've dug into that enough to know it's not somebody I'd even try to respect.

How'd you get your 18.5K post count in only 8 years?

Seems you're quite a heavy poster yourself.

Um, I think JamesJr was defending you.

Idiot.

Lets see if I can clarify this for your not so pee brain, considering you seem to, seem, to be up on your game. However...... you don't have all the answers, do you ? No you don't, so like I said in the past... try and work on your people skills a bit, and make a post and move on even if you don't like what I say, right or wrong. Oh and BTW your status here, really doesn't mean diddly squat to me or just the people reading and moving on. I don't need to know anything about what you know about the 35 Remington, so to be honest out of a tree stand or in the thick, I don't need a hot rod of a load that you think I need. SO I don't need ta know.

Can’t be stick. Not enough hints

WTF?

don't seem so confused, life ain't perfect unless your loads are, like a fart in the wind !! LOL

A'ight, y'all have fun with this nitwit. I can't stoop to this level of stupid this many times in one day. He's all yours, if you can figure out what he's trying to say.

BTW, I see that "Maser" is now "following" me. So there's gotta be something to it. Fuc king pedophile. Too bad ya can't outright block people on this site, but the dumbass is now on ignore.

I missed Troll, yeah I don't call nobody that. You do, so yeah wise up and respect your elders !! LOL

Alot of competitions were won by this EXPERT, i'm sure ! He knows all the perfect combinations in one magical hat, the cat in the hat.

Well what started out as legitimate questions and concerns about reloads, powders,and ballistic characteristics has evolved into a verbal pissing contest between invisible forum egos. It’s a shame really as it just makes it impossible for reasonable and experienced shooters to share their knowledge.

Rick

I think it’s one poster on here who’s trying to impress everyone with their supposed knowledge. Happens all the time

They don't know what they don't know.

Good point

It's anal retentive thing and splitting hairs. Ok so This Feral guy says Winchester makes W760, AND? Hodgdon only owns the company and knows nothing about the powder ? This is what I mean about splitting hairs. Why wouldn't Hodgdons know about the two powders being the same ? They test them don't they ? and why would they say they are the same if they weren't ? For what reason ?

Can you expound on this statement.

Thirty years ago, I graphed velocity vs charge weight of a couple dozen loads in 30-06 and 264 Win.

Several load manuals state that a flat spot in that velocity/charge weight curve indicates an overcharge/overpressure situation. My research supports that statement. I found the curve did flatten when charges exceeded published charges, and not before. Flattened primers, cratered firing pin impact marks, and expanded primer pockets accompanied the flattrened area of the curves I plotted.

My experience agrees with Idaho Shooter. I will get POI plateaus, but not velocity plateaus at safe pressures. If more powder doesn't get more velocity, in a reasonable velocity range for the chambering and bullet weight, I think you are in unsafe territory.

Also, temp sensitive powders and high temps can alter a load. I carry rifles in a pickup cab in mid summer in eastern Montana. I quit H335 because mid range loads got a bit squirrely when the rifle and ammo sat in a pickup cab on 90+ degree summer afternoons.

What you were seeing isn't what I'm after.

Work up and track velocity from beginning to end of a set of published data, in small equal incremental increases of charge weight. I use .2 grains for 308 based cases and smaller, and .3 grains for cases larger. I don't need to test the bottom 3rd of a set of data so I don't. I'm looking for something almost at but not exceeding a published max charge.

I use a powder with a burn rate that provides at least 85% load density with a seated round, and I start COAL at .020" off kiss. I use quality brass with consistent neck thickness and .002" of neck tension, and I use a proven primer.

Across that range of charge weight increases you will see plateaus, 3/4 to one grain wide, where velocities are still increasing but very tight and in contrast to what proceeds the node and what follows it. Making finding them easy. You will normally see two, maybe three, but rarely four of these plateaus. These plateaus correspond to what you see on a ladder test, or an OCW test, only your visual is via chronograph speed rather than impacts on target. This method sidesteps environmental impacts on the testing, such as wind.

I choose the plateau that is closest to book max, but not over, and concentrate on the middle of it as my "load". I then adjust group size with very small changes in seating depth, which, if you understand barrel harmonics, changes the distance the bullet travels to the muzzle, and is the easiest way to tune out the influence the harmonics wave has on the muzzle.

So at the end, you have a charge weight that produces very predictable points of impact, i.e., "good groups", i.e.,"holding zero", with a built in resistance to small pressure changes (lot to lot differences, small temp swings, small changes in altitude, small changes in atmospheric pressure, etc); and you have the muzzle at one of its calmer states during the harmonics cycle which reduces or eliminates the unexplainable "flyer" or "split group".

You do need the patience to follow the program, and you do need a GOOD chrono that doesn't lie. I've yet to meet an optical chronograph that tells the truth two days in a row.

A premium barrel helps tremendously.

YMMV on actual group size with a factory barrel.

Does this help the benchrest shooter? I dunno. I don't care. I don't shoot benchrest. But I did shoot a disapline that required a minimum of 1MOA out to in excess of 1K for any kind of success, across the span of 11 or 12 months that included a full range of atmospheric/seasonal change.

And, I like my hunting loads as sharp and dependable as my hunting knife.

This is simply a shortcut to the same results that some shooters burn copious amounts of barrel life shooting "groups". The only difference is using a close eye on chronograph data instead of holes in paper. Holes in paper, or in my case impacts on steel, are the final confirmation everything is working.

Typically I expend around 10 or 12 rounds to find the pressure I want to work with. Another 15 or so playing with seating depth. 20 more to confirm groups at distance and truing up the BC in the ballistics calculator. So less than 50 rounds for an entire workup, beginning to end, Once you understand the mechanics of the path, you appreciate the simplicity, and I for one appreciate not burning up barrel life doing load development.