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2014 Skidoo Summit R ETEC 163 Rev xm.

It’s on an alum trailer.

Know a guy selling it for another guy that moved outside.

Just an idea.

https://www.kijiji.ca/b-snowmobile/alberta/2014-ski-doo-summit-800/k0c313l9003

Found a few listed in Alberta. Convert from funny money to US fiat $$$, offer "reasonable " fire sale percentage...

Original MSRP $12k+ for reference.

Aluminum trailer could be worth more than the sled.

Don't bet on it.

We were going to buy my wife a 2 - 3 year old , Skidoo last spring. Turned out we could get a new one for same price as grossly "overvalued" used Covid machines. Cheaper than some advertised in fact. Then.

We were nearly the last to order, so may not get it for months yet, but it should be here. R&S has a stack of them in the yard, and has started dealer prep on some.

ETEKs did not get a good recomendation (for us), from any of several dealers. We are getting a 600 Expedition for her.

Just what I need - another machine to service and maintain - we have 3 snow machines already. And other stuff...

Looks like I get upgraded from the '93 Bravo to the 2012 AC1100 Turbo, bought in 2017 with first milage oil change due. Good price, but spent year and a half in shop after Kotz return, fixing up stuff previous owners had f'kd up, hence the "good price", mostly waiting for AC to get off their ass and provide a clutch! Broke even for value, after repairs and upgrades. Works too well now!

I'm gonna put my eye out with that Turbo, trying to climb a tree or something....

Of course if nothing else runs, the Bravo will.

I think the machine I posted is a powder/high mark type?

Between $4000-$6500. All depends on how many miles it has on it. Low low miles probably closer to $6000-$6500 high miles over 2500 plus miles closer to $4000. Also if i got it right the sled you have is on the gen 3 chassis.

Tks. What does Gen 3 chassis mean? Pros/cons?

They actually refer to it as the xm chassis not gen 3 so my mistake on that. Everything I read people liked the xm chassis but it is a 9-10yr old sled, so it’s 9-10 yr old technology. They are on Gen 5 chassis now with 850 etecs. 850 etecs been out for awhile. How many miles on it?

The xm is pretty decent. 163 is a lot of track on that chassis though, not sure you will have the crazy power you are after.

I've given up the mountain sled thing, but all things considered it would be a pretty fun way to die.

High marking on the wall is safer. And cheaper, but same concept. About the most worstest thing can happen is getting caught in the zipper.

It was a spur of the moment thought since it was sitting there on a trailer. I guess it’s it really a trail/make a trail machine.

It’s a mtn sled that thing is far from being a trail sled. Trail sleds are short track.

Yep, hard to steer on packed trail with that track, clutching too jumpy, track lugs tear easily because they're so tall, rear of track doesn't articulate.

They're usually beat to sht by joy-ridin toy boys (even low miles ones).

Fk powder sleds, they can't do any work, not like a nice utility machine that was maintained and operated by an adult.

A perfect description of my AC1100 turbo, and obviously, its first owner!

163 trail sled ...lol your killing me here....lol

I bought 2 trail machines for $500.
Just gotta shop right

95 skidoos?

Heck yeah! I'm curious too, what did u get?

Going on 5 years of hauling slabs, firewood and pulling a trail groomer with a yamaha enticer 2. Was $700. Yanked a 1.5" lug track off a broke down trail rmk. Yanked some wide powder skis off a 700 rmk. About the only upgrade was "free sht".

My neighbor got a $500 SKS 500 efi. That efi is amazing, sled is always in the right tune. It came with an upgraded 1.5" lug track, fox shocks and wide ski skins. Dude got a reclining chair to spice up the deal. Livin large, haha!

Unless you're an experienced powder/mountain rider the Summit's not the machine for you. Narrow ski stance and a long tall lugged track is for swimming through deep fluffy snow and using a lot of body English to steer. An old fat guy like me would look like Arty Johnson on his tricycle. If you're looking for a trail/back country/utility machine then look for an Expedition. 20" wide 154" track with an articulated skid, 2 speed "transmission" for slow speed/pulling and enough engine choices to do whatever your have in mind (including a 180hp turbo 4 stroke)

I have an always garaged, 1997 Ski Doo Summit 500 with reverse, ski widening kit installed and only 1,650 miles. Never had anything but premium fuel in it and it runs awesome. No cracks in the cowling at all. The only thing NOT going for it is age. I turned down $2,000 for it the other day, though I probably shouldn't have. A 2014 I would guess would be realistically $7K if in good shape and not a ton of miles/hours. No clue on an estimate for the trailer.

I ordered a new 2023 Tundra so I guess the next decent offer I get for the Summit, I will probably take it. The problem with older sleds is it is so hard to find parts if they're needed. New dealerships often won't work on sleds older than 20 years: at least Compeaus in Fairbanks won't.

Thanks to all for advice. I’ve quit the idea of this machine. It was a moment of opportunity and a bit of a what-if wild hair.

As I turn 80, it seems like avoid way to pack XC trail and play in the snow a bit.

Lots of groomed trails and pre-packed trail in the Hills, Mike. No-rent rec cabin use could be had.... maybe even an extra machine....or two. Probably gonna park one or both '93s down there anyway for the winter.

Iron, get a tundra with the 600 ace. It's quiet and you won't have cold enough temps down there to worry about starting it.

Another good one is the yamaha venture lite.

Small enough for woods bombin with plenty of track: 136"


If you want to get real cheap but tolerate noise and smell:

Trail RMK 500
Bearcat 440
Skandic 440, 380 or 500
Yamaha Enticer 2

Lucas semi syn is actually more fluid in below zero temps, than my amsoil 2 stroke stuff. Really gentle on oil injection systems, and less stinky/clean burning than many orhers.



*** There's a VK 540 on Craig's right now! $4000 OBO*** For the price, you won't do better than that. Fkn koyo bearings in everything and Japanese rubber parts that last forever. A low gear that really helps off trail. Little harder on gas pushing the 20" x 156" track:

https://anchorage.craigslist.org/snw/d/wasilla-yamaha-viking-540/7668998317.html

This is what I just got for trapping. The Skandic with the wider track would be nice in certain situations but it is also a fair bit heavier.

The Tundra seems to be the best compromise of all the ups/downs with various models for what I like to do, and where I like to go.

We’ll see what shakes.

88 Polaris, 90 Yamaha.
I don't know what models.
I'm going to Arizona next month to get them. They were offered and i said yes.

I just recently sold a 2013 Ski Doo Expedition LE 600 e-tec for $6500, that's a fantastic trail/freight/grooming sled and more in the line of a snowmachine for your needs. There are more sleds like my old one for sale but some of the prices are a bit ridiculous. IMO you want a fuel injected sled, less problems with the fuel systems compared to a carbed sled and no changing jets at higher altitudes. The newer Gen 4 Ski Doo trail sleds are deep snow capable but the heavier sleds (900, 1200 ACE) will get stuck if you're not on the throttle. I'm not much of a Polaris fan but the Titan is one helluva machine as well.

One of the main—-though certainty not only—-reasons I went with a 600 Ace Tundra.

People always rave about bigger being better, but I digress. Same with using a 1 ton pickup when you’re not hauling something heavy. Less is more, more often than not IMO.

T,
Congrats on the tundra! Yep, I've ran plenty of heavy wide track loads in low gear. But a day in day out, general purpose woods bomber for breaking trail/trapping/firewood/hauling milled slabs, a smaller sled is the way. Widetracks arent "flickable" in tight off trail stuff. They're quite cumbersome in tight sht. Always try to jump on a small sled first, they use lots less fuel.


Hard to do better than a 600 ace tundra.

1200 was dropped in 2019. Skidoo went all in on the 900 Ace.

Man - not a single greasy triple in the conversation.

Agreed. Congrats tinny! The factory ski skins will make a big difference on that machine too.

I was going to buy a Titan this fall but was warned off by the dealer... the 800 two stroke is a grenade waiting to happen (dealers words not mine). If they turbocharge the new 4-stroke it'll make a great all purpose sled but the NA version lacks the muscle.

Really? They seem to be doing pretty good up here. Only reason I went skidoo I wanted a SWT.

Picking up wife's machine Monday. Seems they want to get paid first, and that guy ain't in until then.

Sheesh!

I better get all that lumber and other crap off the trailer, I guess. It's time to go do my monthly fire-up of the other machines as well.

The dealer told me if you put a "durability kit" in them they're pretty solid. The "kit" is taller pistons (Arctic Cat) with wider spaced rings and offset wrist pin and spacers for the cylinders. After he told me that I kinda lost interest in it. I ended up buying a Skidoo with the 900 Ace turbo

I got the R turbo. Pretty excited

I got the R also, can’t wait to give it a rip!

The one in my OP is on the farcebooks if any interest.

$6500 plus $2K for the trailer.

Again, not mine and have no connection to it.

It's only money. It will depreciate faster from non-use than her use.... picked it up this morning.

Got in 12 wolverine sets today on the new 600 Ace Tundra. Years past I did it all on foot but decided to cover more ground this year.
The New Tundra is a nice sled. A bit tipsy, but I knew that being it only has the 16 inch wide track. It is way more maneuverable than the Skandics I have ridden though. Ups/downs to them all.

Only wrecked once today!

LAS, have you ridden that 600 Ace Expedition yet?

I need to get me one of those storage boxes for my Tundra and possibly a ski widening kit.

Nice rig T, and dang, nice rig Las.

T, you'll be after some wider skis in no time. But I don't think you'll need to widen the stance. The aftermarket skis should help.

I bought my first (and probably last, unless I wreck it) snowmobile when I moved to Montana. 2020 Expedition Sport with the 600 ACE engine. My cabin is usually only accessible by snowmobile from around late November through March, so I use it to get to the cabin, haul stuff to the cabin, haul game away from the cabin. I also like to head into the mountains just to cruise around, so it's been perfect for that. Very quiet, pretty efficient and has just enough power to get me where I need to go without getting me in trouble.

Only complaint I have about it is that I am prone to getting it stuck, which is likely more due to my lack of skill than anything about the sled, which is not made for blasting around in deep snow.

I was going to replace the Skidoo 21l tunnel bag with one of the huge Skidoo cargo trunks but decided to go cheap and have a Plano tub that works pretty well.

Skins will give you some float and stop the diving in the powder if that's what you are seeing. Widening will kill the beauty of the tundra, which is effortless sidehilliing.

Different perspectives or maybe riding styles, I guess.

I have found Tundras to be among the worst for side hilling, due to their narrow stance. You have to lean WAY more than you do with a wider stanced machine. The ski widening kit on my Summit made a huge difference and even stock it was significantly better at side hilling than this Tundra is. I layed the Tundra over on Saturday on a side hill simply because I wasn’t paying attention and didn’t lean enough on the uphill side and it wasn’t very steep at all. I may try wider skis and a deeper skag first before I go for a wider ski stance as I think the widening kit also raises the center of gravity. I’ll talk to the dealer about those ups/downs.

To me, the beauty of the Tundra and the reason I went with it was maneuverability in tight areas, again due to its narrow profile, though it is longer than I would prefer which doesn’t help with tight spaces.

Posted pictures in another thread but here’s mine. Expedition SWT with 900ace R turbo. I’m the last one in my group to finally get one. These are the ultimate winter hunting sleds. We been trying to make the Rex trail muzzleloader hunt an annual trip. Hopefully the two rivers we need to cross on the Rex trail are frozen.

Nothing creeps through the trees better than a Tundra! Beware the widner kit, it changes the angle of attack on the track quite a bit. Some folks dont have an issue with it but those folks don't seem to break alot of trail. Mostly just trail riders.

I trap up north quite a ways in the snow shadow of the Brooks and a SWT makes a big difference when its time to break trail. I like the skandic over the expedition myself. Pogos ride circles around A arms when then snow gets deep. Every time...

Sweet sled 79S!! That'll be a ball with all that track and 180hp on tap! It'll probably dangle the skis as far as you dare!

The ergonomics of the newer sleds are better for old backs and knees. I am looking for a ski-doo expedition myself.

Yep, new skis & you'll be golden Ted !

LOL, get a tundra they said, you'll never get stuck !



Seriously, they are great !

Joe's 2010 550f (yellow) with big skins.







Mine's the black 09 550f !

Box is a great addition.

I guess yammy quit the snowmobile industry. Back in the 80's, I was in awe of anything that said "YAMAHA". My uncle was dominating informal races/hill climbs on a yz 250.

My first sled was snojet powered by a yamaha 440 fan cooled twin with a powerblok clutch.

Still some old 90s yammy stuff working hard around here. Goodbye yamaha.

Yamaha isn't done with sleds till the 2025 model year. You have time to get a brand new SRX if you so chose. I would expect their deal with Arctic Cat to last past this though.

I too am a Yamaha slut and when shopping powersports - I start and end with them.

If the bearcat had evolved alongside the tundra it could be an amazing machine now. As it is, Yamaha hasn't made anything that appealed to me in a snowmachine for a long time. And I'm also a big Yamaha fan.

Actually.... I take that back.... Forgot about the viking!

If you're freighting out materials to build a remote cabin, the widetracks come into their own. Aside from that, tough to 600 ace Tundra for all around trail use. It's on my list when I trade out the sand for the snow.

How much longer is your sentence?

The older carbureted 550 fan motor is hard on fuel but very reliable. Comes with electric start and a pull start as well. Regular track or long track in the older tundras.

The new 2024 tundra LE in 600efi, very light and plenty of horsepower. Still in breakin mode, but preliminary fuel use is 15gph. The LE is a 16” X 154 long track

How much for an electric one?

The Dems are wanting to stop drilling up there!

I haven't been back to this thread in awhile. Yes, I've driven the new Expedition Sport 600 ACE 3 times now. It's bigger than either of us thought it would be.


My wife let me back it off the trailer twice, and put it on once.......

I need to figure a sled connection for the hitch - the hitch hole is smaller than the one on the Turbo, so ththat clevis doesn't fit. Just in case we need to tow with it.

We went into our rec cabin for 4 days a couple weeks back - two sled loads, both in and out, for 4 friggen days. I had a tool box.... I remember those 10 day back-pack hunts with a 50 lb load. What the hell happened????

First load out...




She likes it much better than the 2012 AC 1100 Turbo. Lighter, quieter, and has a removable seat for the dog(or someone) behind her, plus the cargo box. She has tipped it twice, and able to put it back upright by herself. I like it because it is fan cooled. The Turbo apparently is now mine. A bit of an upgrade from the '93 Bravo, but I ain't selling that. The Turbo doesn't go any faster than the Bravo. Well, it does, but I don't! I can if I want to tho.

The Exp. only has about 15 miles on it, on trail, so far tho.

You got a lot more comfortable!

What kind of mophodite hitch you got going there las?

Convert everything to pintle/"J" style for less headache.

Got one of those on the Bravo I think.

Yep- looked it up. Don't like it.

I've spent way too much time going back after the sled, or sometimes chasing the SOB. Even after stronger springs on the flapper.

Torque that clevis hitch down and it's there to stay!

You need to put a clevis pin that J-hook then it won't come unhooked, I've seen far too many of the clevis type come unhooked. My 2020 Expedition SE has the tow receiver on it and I bought the J-hitch from AMDS, it's a bad ass setup and It's nice that you can remove the hitch when you're out bombing on and off trail.

These new Gen 4 Expeditions are the cats ass, wished I would have bought one sooner.