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I shot this elk with a 300 Weatherby and 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. I was really fortunate to actually kill something with so little going for it, but I do like a challenge… ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/HWJ5sGy4/IMG_2605.jpg)
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Congrats on the bull!
I’ve used BTs in a 240 and 257 weatherby, and 7mm Rem mag on deer and antelope. They seldom take a step after the shot.
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Careful, bigstick is waiting to come along ans tell you how the 300 bee sucks and doesnt kill game lol. Awesome elk!
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Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
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Congratulations! That pic puts a big fat smile on my face.
It also redefines the word "failure".
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who cares. thats not elk hunting that looks like shooting elk in a pasture.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Those bullets in a variety of calibers have worked just fine for me. Nice raghorn. Looks very edible, and accessible.
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Yet another reason shrap is #1pard.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Ha ha I see what you did there nice bull!
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I like ballistic tips. They do well on deer and pigs. The animals I’ve shot with them have never complained one bit.
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I shot this elk with a 300 Weatherby and 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. I was really fortunate to actually kill something with so little going for it, but I do like a challenge… Did it "pencil on through...?"
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OK shrapnel.
You owe us the technical's. Range, where did the bullet hit, did it exit, etc.
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He scared it to death, maybe...
Glad you got your freezer meat!
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Nice bull. Curious about the failure
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Last bull I got, I was using a Ballistic Tip too. It failed as well... Bull went 20 yards before he toppled over.  Oh yeah, that Ballistic Tip was a 95gr out of a .243 Winchester. 
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sharp, yeah it looks like that ballistic tip performed miserably. Perhaps next time you'll select a bullet that will kill something "deader"!
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Thank goodness it didn't "blow up"!
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Well done on the bullet failure!
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Nice work. Like them my self.
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OK shrapnel.
You owe us the technical's. Range, where did the bullet hit, did it exit, etc. Who the fugk do you think you are demanding anything of substance from another member? Piss back of to your quest for news that the sky is falling.
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after the shot did you hike out to cell service and immediately call the manufacturer and complain about bullet failure, before recovering the animal ?
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I shot this elk with a 300 Weatherby and 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. I was really fortunate to actually kill something with so little going for it, but I do like a challenge… Heck yeah pard! If Jim Conrad wasn’t around you would be my #1 pard
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Yet another reason shrap is #1pard. Pard You are in my top 20 for pards, pard
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Amazing what a Duke 650 will hold.
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OK shrapnel.
You owe us the technical's. Range, where did the bullet hit, did it exit, etc. Who the fugk do you think you are demanding anything of substance from another member? Piss back of to your quest for news that the sky is falling. Paul is throwing another tantrum because he isn't the center of attention. Narcissists do that.
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Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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OK shrapnel.
You owe us the technical's. Range, where did the bullet hit, did it exit, etc. Who the fugk do you think you are demanding anything of substance from another member? Piss back of to your quest for news that the sky is falling. Paul is throwing another tantrum because he isn't the center of attention. Narcissists do that. You are a retard. Paul's a narcissist? How many of his own threads does he bump because they are getting enough attention? Oh, that would be you, bitch.
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Oh, that would be you, bitch. Jimmy has been drinking cheap whiskey all day again in his single wide.
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Prolly just died of a heart attack when it heard the loud bang! Everybody knows the BTs aren't deadly..
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Nice !
Can I be your Pard ?
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating!
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Last bull I got, I was using a Ballistic Tip too. It failed as well... Bull went 20 yards before he toppled over. Oh yeah, that Ballistic Tip was a 95gr out of a .243 Winchester. I am not an Elk hunter, but I have a stupid question. What would be the maximum range you would feel confident shooting at a bull with a .243 Winchester? Just curious.
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Oh, that would be you, bitch. Jimmy has been drinking cheap whiskey all day again in his single wide. Oh you poor little stalker. Got an elk pic for us?
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating! There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject. You must have Insider information.
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Last bull I got, I was using a Ballistic Tip too. It failed as well... Bull went 20 yards before he toppled over. Oh yeah, that Ballistic Tip was a 95gr out of a .243 Winchester. I am not an Elk hunter, but I have a stupid question. What would be the maximum range you would feel confident shooting at a bull with a .243 Winchester? Just curious. 300 yards for me, situation right and stay off the big bones. Been done. Lungs are lungs. Animals don’t go far with those punched thru. Not my first choice in caliber however. Osky
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for years I shot everything with the same combination. 300 weatherby 180 grain ballistic tip. either in Weatherby Mark V synthetic or Remington 700 classic..
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The 243 is the preferred elk caliber on the Blackfoot reservation.
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The 243 is the preferred elk caliber on the Blackfoot reservation. Copying the northern Cheyenne again are they? Osky
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The 243 is the preferred elk caliber on the Blackfoot reservation. No concerns on the rez for wounding critters..... 
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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The 243 is the preferred elk caliber on the Blackfoot reservation. Copying the northern Cheyenne again are they? Osky I can't divulge any trade secrets.
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Oh congrats Shrap on the stunt shooting......
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I can't divulge any trade secrets. You mean you can't remember because your brains cells are fried from drinking 24x7.
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Uh oh.....does my stalker not have any loads of MSM spooge to regurgitate for us today?
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I can't divulge any trade secrets. You mean you can't remember because your brains cells are fried from drinking 24x7. SuperFoo the toughest gal in Denver. LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I like ballistic tips. They do well on deer and pigs. The animals I’ve shot with them have never complained one bit. I like Gamekings.
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Oh, that would be you, bitch. Jimmy has been drinking cheap whiskey all day again in his single wide. Oh you poor little stalker. Got an elk pic for us? I’d settle for a clam shot.
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Last bull I got, I was using a Ballistic Tip too. It failed as well... Bull went 20 yards before he toppled over. Oh yeah, that Ballistic Tip was a 95gr out of a .243 Winchester. I am not an Elk hunter, but I have a stupid question. What would be the maximum range you would feel confident shooting at a bull with a .243 Winchester? Just curious. Never thought about it much. Never felt under-gunned either. Guess as long as I felt good about putting the shot through the boiler room, I'd take it. 300 yards or so. Killed bigger stuff with less gun.
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
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Should in their own confines with forked heads
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Congrats on the fine-eating bull you got there, delish!
PS: You always take great pictures, good work.
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I shot this elk with a 300 Weatherby and 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. I was really fortunate to actually kill something with so little going for it, but I do like a challenge… Damned nice eating bull there Shrapnel. I will see your 180 ballistic tip, and raise you a 162 gr Hornady btsp from a 7 STW. If the gods had not stepped in and simply killed that bull for me, he would have never died just from that bullet through the aortic arch.
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Great lookin Bull!
Heck the concussion from the muzzle brake on that 300 Wby would kill a Jack Rabbit.
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Last bull I got, I was using a Ballistic Tip too. It failed as well... Bull went 20 yards before he toppled over. Oh yeah, that Ballistic Tip was a 95gr out of a .243 Winchester. I am not an Elk hunter, but I have a stupid question. What would be the maximum range you would feel confident shooting at a bull with a .243 Winchester? Just curious. 300 yards for me, situation right and stay off the big bones. Been done. Lungs are lungs. Animals don’t go far with those punched thru. Not my first choice in caliber however. Osky Thank You for that info. Most guys that I know from PA that go out west for elk, always take a magnum of 7mm or larger.
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Last bull I got, I was using a Ballistic Tip too. It failed as well... Bull went 20 yards before he toppled over. Oh yeah, that Ballistic Tip was a 95gr out of a .243 Winchester. I am not an Elk hunter, but I have a stupid question. What would be the maximum range you would feel confident shooting at a bull with a .243 Winchester? Just curious. Never thought about it much. Never felt under-gunned either. Guess as long as I felt good about putting the shot through the boiler room, I'd take it. 300 yards or so. Killed bigger stuff with less gun. Good to know. Thanks!
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Last bull I got, I was using a Ballistic Tip too. It failed as well... Bull went 20 yards before he toppled over. Oh yeah, that Ballistic Tip was a 95gr out of a .243 Winchester. I am not an Elk hunter, but I have a stupid question. What would be the maximum range you would feel confident shooting at a bull with a .243 Winchester? Just curious. 300 yards for me, situation right and stay off the big bones. Been done. Lungs are lungs. Animals don’t go far with those punched thru. Not my first choice in caliber however. Osky Thank You for that info. Most guys that I know from PA that go out west for elk, always take a magnum of 7mm or larger. If traveling a good distance, spending good $$ and on limited time it is probably best to take more power than needed.
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Congrats on the nice elk, shrapnel,wish all my bullets failed like that........ 
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Oh, that would be you, bitch. Jimmy has been drinking cheap whiskey all day again in his single wide. Oh you poor little stalker. Got an elk pic for us? I’d settle for a clam shot. Ask, and you shall receive… ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/hPQkwvd5/B3-D6-A317-792-B-4-E5-D-AC32-55-AC82-FB12-A2.jpg)
She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
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Oh, that would be you, bitch. Jimmy has been drinking cheap whiskey all day again in his single wide. Oh you poor little stalker. Got an elk pic for us? I’d settle for a clam shot. Ask, and you shall receive… Nice!
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300 yards for me, situation right and stay off the big bones. Been done. Lungs are lungs. Animals don’t go far with those punched thru.
Not my first choice in caliber however.
Osky Thank You for that info. Most guys that I know from PA that go out west for elk, always take a magnum of 7mm or larger. If traveling a good distance, spending good $$ and on limited time it is probably best to take more power than needed. The cost for me to go elk hunting: gas to drive 60 miles each way, and the price of an in state elk tag. I would take nothing less powerful than a 30-06/7 mag for elk. Our typical shot is 300 to 400 yds, and power is significantly diminished at that range. Couple that with the fact that you often do not get that perfect butcher's shot at the lungs. My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls. Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder. Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag.
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Oh, that would be you, bitch. Jimmy has been drinking cheap whiskey all day again in his single wide. Oh you poor little stalker. Got an elk pic for us? I’d settle for a clam shot. Ask, and you shall receive… Nice! Kind of pale. Looks like it's been dead a while. I like it pink.
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300 yards for me, situation right and stay off the big bones. Been done. Lungs are lungs. Animals don’t go far with those punched thru.
Not my first choice in caliber however.
Osky Thank You for that info. Most guys that I know from PA that go out west for elk, always take a magnum of 7mm or larger. If traveling a good distance, spending good $$ and on limited time it is probably best to take more power than needed. The cost for me to go elk hunting: gas to drive 60 miles each way, and the price of an in state elk tag. I would take nothing less powerful than a 30-06/7 mag for elk. Our typical shot is 300 to 400 yds, and power is significantly diminished at that range. Couple that with the fact that you often do not get that perfect butcher's shot at the lungs. My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls. Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder. Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag. I guess I agree. I’m surprised no one recommended a 223 with fast twist and a 75 grain bullet at 2700 fps. Elk are easy to kill, or so I learned on the campfire, but as long as they are on their feet, I keep feeding them 180 grains of failure until they walk no more…
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300 yards for me, situation right and stay off the big bones. Been done. Lungs are lungs. Animals don’t go far with those punched thru.
Not my first choice in caliber however.
Osky Thank You for that info. Most guys that I know from PA that go out west for elk, always take a magnum of 7mm or larger. If traveling a good distance, spending good $$ and on limited time it is probably best to take more power than needed. The cost for me to go elk hunting: gas to drive 60 miles each way, and the price of an in state elk tag. I would take nothing less powerful than a 30-06/7 mag for elk. Our typical shot is 300 to 400 yds, and power is significantly diminished at that range. Couple that with the fact that you often do not get that perfect butcher's shot at the lungs. My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls. Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder. Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag. I guess I agree. I’m surprised no one recommended a 223 with fast twist and a 75 grain bullet at 2700 fps. Elk are easy to kill, or so I learned on the campfire, but as long as they are on their feet, I keep feeding them 180 grains of failure until they walk no more… Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate. Congratulations!
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300 yards for me, situation right and stay off the big bones. Been done. Lungs are lungs. Animals don’t go far with those punched thru.
Not my first choice in caliber however.
Osky Thank You for that info. Most guys that I know from PA that go out west for elk, always take a magnum of 7mm or larger. If traveling a good distance, spending good $$ and on limited time it is probably best to take more power than needed. The cost for me to go elk hunting: gas to drive 60 miles each way, and the price of an in state elk tag. I would take nothing less powerful than a 30-06/7 mag for elk. Our typical shot is 300 to 400 yds, and power is significantly diminished at that range. Couple that with the fact that you often do not get that perfect butcher's shot at the lungs. My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls. Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder. Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag. I guess I agree. I’m surprised no one recommended a 223 with fast twist and a 75 grain bullet at 2700 fps. Elk are easy to kill, or so I learned on the campfire, but as long as they are on their feet, I keep feeding them 180 grains of failure until they walk no more… Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate. Congratulations! You don't know the difference between a bull and bull$hit. You have an abundance of the latter.
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Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate.
Congratulations! Prepping for the 37 pic drop of Master Hunter Buzzy's monster bulls[while hunting on our dime]. Congrats Shrap
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Hey now, nice bull. You have yourself some great table fare.
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300 yards for me, situation right and stay off the big bones. Been done. Lungs are lungs. Animals don’t go far with those punched thru.
Not my first choice in caliber however.
Osky Thank You for that info. Most guys that I know from PA that go out west for elk, always take a magnum of 7mm or larger. If traveling a good distance, spending good $$ and on limited time it is probably best to take more power than needed. The cost for me to go elk hunting: gas to drive 60 miles each way, and the price of an in state elk tag. I would take nothing less powerful than a 30-06/7 mag for elk. Our typical shot is 300 to 400 yds, and power is significantly diminished at that range. Couple that with the fact that you often do not get that perfect butcher's shot at the lungs. My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls. Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder. Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag. I guess I agree. I’m surprised no one recommended a 223 with fast twist and a 75 grain bullet at 2700 fps. Elk are easy to kill, or so I learned on the campfire, but as long as they are on their feet, I keep feeding them 180 grains of failure until they walk no more… Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate. Congratulations! You don't know the difference between a bull and bull$hit. You have an abundance of the latter. I know enough to help one of my best friends a few days ago stalk this bull to 5, yes 5 yards and kill it with a .270 and nosler partitions. I bet a .22 would have done the job. ![[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]](https://photos.imageevent.com/buzzandpat/elkhunting/websize/IMG_03701.jpeg)
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Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate.
Congratulations! Prepping for the 37 pic drop of Master Hunter Buzzy's monster bulls[while hunting on our dime]. Congrats Shrap I could post 83 pics of the ones I've killed, probably more than that I've helped friends and family with.
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Buzzie pissed because Shrap doesn't have to suck dicks to get hunting access or have access shut down.
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Congratulations, Shrap. Love your choice of caliber, too.
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I shot this elk with a 300 Weatherby and 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. I was really fortunate to actually kill something with so little going for it, but I do like a challenge… Did it "pencil on through...?" There's no denying the BC sucks for that bullet.
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Buzzie pissed because Shrap doesn't have to suck dicks to get hunting access or have access shut down. I had written permission from Tracy Stone Manning for me and my buddy. Along with 340 million of my best friends.
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Last thing I killed was with some 180 accubond 3rds that I have a pile of. (black with red tip) Guessing that 180 ballistic tip is similar.
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My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls.
Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder.
Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag. I guess I agree. I’m surprised no one recommended a 223 with fast twist and a 75 grain bullet at 2700 fps. Elk are easy to kill, or so I learned on the campfire, but as long as they are on their feet, I keep feeding them 180 grains of failure until they walk no more…In my case, 162 gr, but yes. Just as fast as I can reload the #1. When I was about eight years old, I was sitting on a little barren knob with younger sister and brother, waiting on Mom and Dad to make a circle and come back to us. I heard a shot in the distance, then a few minutes later Dad came past and picked me up to follow him on his horse as he tracked a lung shot cow. 30-06, 180 gr Win silvertips, Rem 760. There were puddles of pink foam in the trail every few yards, occasionally a big puddle where she had hesitated for a few moments. But after a few hundred yards, those puddles became drops. Then the drops got further apart, until they stopped entirely. Apparently a high lung shot. The area was very dry and elk tracks were all over the hillsides. It was impossible to discern where this cow had gone among all those tracks. We searched for a long time to no avail. That is the day I learned, the recipe for elk is keep adding lead until four feet point to the sky. A "dead" elk can go a damned long way in a hurry. Especially when he is headed downhill into a schithole which will make extraction much more difficult. Or in some cases, across a fence onto private land.
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Buzzie pissed because Shrap doesn't have to suck dicks to get hunting access or have access shut down. I had written permission from Tracy Stone Manning for me and my buddy. Along with 340 million of my best friends. lardasssbidenlovingbuzzlightyear is an internet legend!!!!
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Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate.
Congratulations! Based on your personality, I'm surprised,that you're only the 2nd most disliked, forum member here ! Arseclown !
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#leachingofftheamericantaxpayerandproudofit
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I could post 83 pics of the ones I've killed, probably more than that I've helped friends and family with. Yet you can't stand that this thread wasn't about you and your 30 year old hero photos, so you had to come in and throw chit on someone else's walls. True to form. You are a wreaking POS.
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Buzzie pissed because Shrap doesn't have to suck dicks to get hunting access or have access shut down. I had written permission from Tracy Stone Manning for me and my buddy. Along with 340 million of my best friends. That's a lotta cocks you sucked.
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Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate.
Congratulations! If anyone ever wonders what envy looks like.
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Buzzie pissed because Shrap doesn't have to suck dicks to get hunting access or have access shut down. I had written permission from Tracy Stone Manning for me and my buddy. Along with 340 million of my best friends. That's a lotta cocks you sucked. Practice,makes perfect !!
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Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate.
Congratulations! Prepping for the 37 pic drop of Master Hunter Buzzy's monster bulls[while hunting on our dime]. Congrats Shrap I could post 83 pics of the ones I've killed, probably more than that I've helped friends and family with. I would like to see the pile of paper bags you had to have to cover that ugly face of yours…
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Nice bull, shrapnel! Another miserable Nosler BT failure, 150 grain from an '06 that started and 2940 fps and caught this guy in the near shoulder about 260 yards. Impact sounded like a ball bat on a side of beef, dropped in his tracks. https://www.thesixgunjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/07buck2.jpg
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I shot this elk with a 300 Weatherby and 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. I was really fortunate to actually kill something with so little going for it, but I do like a challenge… Calling BS and photoshopped. No way that bull was killed by a Nos BT - it died laughing.
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Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate.
Congratulations! If anyone ever wonders what envy looks like. Of a raghorn? Haven't shot but a metric chit ton of them. Laffin'.
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I would take nothing less powerful than a 30-06/7 mag for elk. Our typical shot is 300 to 400 yds, and power is significantly diminished at that range. Couple that with the fact that you often do not get that perfect butcher's shot at the lungs.
My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls.
Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder.
Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag. I kilt a bull a few years ago at 346 yards with my 7mm-08 and a single 140 gr Partition. The bull was quartering away, hard, but the PT took out a rib on his right side, blew through both lungs, and exited in front of his left shoulder. DRT and I mean right now. I don’t feel undergunned but I respect your decision. P
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Based on the size of that bull, a .223 would have been more than adequate.
Congratulations! If anyone ever wonders what envy looks like. Of a raghorn? Haven't shot but a metric chit ton of them. Laffin'. Oh yeah....keep sucking those cocks. That we believe.
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I would take nothing less powerful than a 30-06/7 mag for elk. Our typical shot is 300 to 400 yds, and power is significantly diminished at that range. Couple that with the fact that you often do not get that perfect butcher's shot at the lungs.
My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls.
Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder.
Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag. I kilt a bull a few years ago at 346 yards with my 7mm-08 and a single 140 gr Partition. The bull was quartering away, hard, but the PT took out a rib on his right side, blew through both lungs, and exited in front of his left shoulder. DRT and I mean right now. I don’t feel undergunned but I respect your decision. Yes, that is my favorite shot. You get the liver, diaphragm, heart, and lungs with one bullet. I have not hit an elk from that angle, but have killed a half dozen deer that way. Driving through a ham, possibly a femur or pelvis, or a shoulder to get to the vitals is a little tougher. Sometimes that is the only shot they give you. A lesser cartridge means a guy has to pass on an occasional shot, if he has any ethics.
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I would take nothing less powerful than a 30-06/7 mag for elk. Our typical shot is 300 to 400 yds, and power is significantly diminished at that range. Couple that with the fact that you often do not get that perfect butcher's shot at the lungs.
My 7 STW w/ 162 gr Hornady leaves the muzzle at 3200 fps. According to the book, it was down to 2470 fps when it hit each of my last two bulls.
Sometimes you have to start just under the root of the tail to reach the vitals, or sometimes all you can see of the bull is the front point of a shoulder.
Carrying a 7-08, 6.5 Creed, 243, or a 22-250, I would pass on those questionable shots, and go home with a blank tag. I kilt a bull a few years ago at 346 yards with my 7mm-08 and a single 140 gr Partition. The bull was quartering away, hard, but the PT took out a rib on his right side, blew through both lungs, and exited in front of his left shoulder. DRT and I mean right now. I don’t feel undergunned but I respect your decision. Yes, that is my favorite shot. You get the liver, diaphragm, heart, and lungs with one bullet. I have not hit an elk from that angle, but have killed a half dozen deer that way. Driving through a ham, possibly a femur or pelvis, or a shoulder to get to the vitals is a little tougher. Sometimes that is the only shot they give you. A lesser cartridge means a guy has to pass on an occasional shot, if he has any ethics. I’ve seen a big 5x5 go down with a shoulder shot. 225 yards. In my experience the Mighty -08 isn’t a lesser cartridge. But I get what you’re saying, I just don’t agree. P
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Oh, that would be you, bitch. Jimmy has been drinking cheap whiskey all day again in his single wide. Oh you poor little stalker. Got an elk pic for us? I’d settle for a clam shot. Ask, and you shall receive… Nice! Kind of pale. Looks like it's been dead a while. I like it pink. Plus, it's an oyster, not a clam.
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Fugg...you killers have any elk left to eat after you shoot em through all 4 quarters?
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Shot a cow Elk this year using 150 gr. BT out of a 7mm WSM, and it destroyed the front quarters due to fragmentation. The gun really likes the bullets, but for hunting, I prefer something that won't fragment as much.
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Shot a cow Elk this year using 150 gr. BT out of a 7mm WSM, and it destroyed the front quarters due to fragmentation. The gun really likes the bullets, but for hunting, I prefer something that won't fragment as much. the impact velocity (25-05, 6.5CM, 270 Win, 7-08, 308, 30-06) of the BT/SST is around 2800fps to keep it from fragmenting. if the impact velocity is greater than 2850fps it will fragment and then you will be left with lung soup and chunks of heart. if the impact velocity is less than 2800fps, then the BT/SST will "mushroom" and most likely it will exit the deer. this is just my observation of deer hit with the BT/SST. i like my bullet to mushroom and go out of the deer.
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating! There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject. You must have Insider information. At some point, someone at Nosler had an epiphany and combined a polycarbonate tip with the Solid Base bullet and the Ballistic Tip bullet was born. Since the plastic tip can be any color, Noser assigned different color tips to different calibers. The Ballistic Tip is very accurate, has a high BC and expands rapidly, maximizing the shock to the animal's system. Early examples perhaps expanded too violently, killing light framed animals very quickly with heart/lung shots, but penetration on larger game was sometimes found lacking. Nosler increased the jacket thickness and refined the bullet's performance, increasing penetration. Today, the Ballistic Tip is one of the most versatile and popular premium bullets on the market and it has sparked a "tipped bullet" revolution. Practically every major bullet and ammunition manufacturer has introduced a tipped bullet to compete with the Ballistic Tip.
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They’ve come a long way since their introduction.
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Classic over penetration
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating! There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject. You must have Insider information. Actually there has. Maybe Mule Deer will chime in but Nosler DID toughen up the BT because of it's frangibility8 when it first came out.
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating! There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject. You must have Insider information. At some point, someone at Nosler had an epiphany and combined a polycarbonate tip with the Solid Base bullet and the Ballistic Tip bullet was born. Since the plastic tip can be any color, Noser assigned different color tips to different calibers. The Ballistic Tip is very accurate, has a high BC and expands rapidly, maximizing the shock to the animal's system. Early examples perhaps expanded too violently, killing light framed animals very quickly with heart/lung shots, but penetration on larger game was sometimes found lacking. Nosler increased the jacket thickness and refined the bullet's performance, increasing penetration. Today, the Ballistic Tip is one of the most versatile and popular premium bullets on the market and it has sparked a "tipped bullet" revolution. Practically every major bullet and ammunition manufacturer has introduced a tipped bullet to compete with the Ballistic Tip. I don't remember them changing the BT bullet... But I may be wrong. What most people don't realize is that the larger the caliber, and heavier the BT bullet, the thicker the jacket. It's always been that way. Frankly I started using BT's out of a .223 hunting coyotes. And again, frankly, the jacket was too thick out of a .223 55gr... It would blow through a coyote and leave a quarter sized exit. Had lots of runners, shot behind or through the shoulders. Then the V-Max came out. Thinner jacket. Much more explosive expansion, and a runner was rare. Usually no exit with a V-Max either. Now you take that same BT 55gr bullet and push it out of a 22-250, you get different results. Lots of variables in play. But a BT has never been a "varmint bullet". It's been a hunting bullet.
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Ours fail all the time too! Congrats
I actually did read an article about the thicker jackets introduced on the 120 nbt in 7mm. Don't know about the other nbts.
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating! There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject. You must have Insider information. Actually there has. Maybe Mule Deer will chime in but Nosler DID toughen up the BT because of it's frangibility8 when it first came out. Some calibers and weights needed adjustments, some did not.
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How did you gentle souls come into such information?
Who is Mule Deer?
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating! There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject. You must have Insider information. At some point, someone at Nosler had an epiphany and combined a polycarbonate tip with the Solid Base bullet and the Ballistic Tip bullet was born. Since the plastic tip can be any color, Noser assigned different color tips to different calibers. The Ballistic Tip is very accurate, has a high BC and expands rapidly, maximizing the shock to the animal's system. Early examples perhaps expanded too violently, killing light framed animals very quickly with heart/lung shots, but penetration on larger game was sometimes found lacking. Nosler increased the jacket thickness and refined the bullet's performance, increasing penetration. Today, the Ballistic Tip is one of the most versatile and popular premium bullets on the market and it has sparked a "tipped bullet" revolution. Practically every major bullet and ammunition manufacturer has introduced a tipped bullet to compete with the Ballistic Tip. I don't remember them changing the BT bullet... But I may be wrong. What most people don't realize is that the larger the caliber, and heavier the BT bullet, the thicker the jacket. It's always been that way. Frankly I started using BT's out of a .223 hunting coyotes. And again, frankly, the jacket was too thick out of a .223 55gr... It would blow through a coyote and leave a quarter sized exit. Had lots of runners, shot behind or through the shoulders. Then the V-Max came out. Thinner jacket. Much more explosive expansion, and a runner was rare. Usually no exit with a V-Max either. Now you take that same BT 55gr bullet and push it out of a 22-250, you get different results. Lots of variables in play. But a BT has never been a "varmint bullet". It's been a hunting bullet. Your best move is to keep your facts to clearing brush, you don't know chit from clay about nosler bullets. There's always been 2 ballistic tips, the hunting version with thicker jackets and the varmint bullets with thinner jackets. FFS, read their website or have a 3rd grader read it to you. Also the jackets on the 120 BT in .284 is substantially thicker than the 140 BT.
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John has mentioned several times that some of the jacket profiles on NBTs had been adjusted through the years.
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How did you gentle souls come into such information?
Who is Mule Deer? It ain't a secret, Pard. 30 cal. BT. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/pT85ESr.png) .22 cal BT. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/DIxfCaP.png) .22 cal V-Max Hornady ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/PD5unM3.png) Let us know when you figure out who Mule Deer here is.
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How did you gentle souls come into such information?
Who is Mule Deer? It ain't a secret, Pard. 30 cal. BT. .22 cal BT. Let us know when you figure out who Mule Deer here is. Here, Mr. Nosler Expert, now go find a 3rd grader to read and explain it to you. Laffin'...
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When I'm loading if the MV is 3000fps or less I use Nosler BT if the MV is over 3000fps I use Nosler Accubonds. It has worked out well for me over the years. The only bullet I refuse to use for anything bigger that coyotes is the Sierra hunting bullets. They just seem too soft and I have seen multiple complete failures on deer. I actually shot a deer below me at about 30 yards with one in 270Win. hitting it in the back down between the shoulder blades. The bullet made a hole about the size of my fist but didn't hold together long enough to enter its chest cavity. Luckily it affected its spine and I got to finish it off with a second shot.
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GFY, Biden Shill. I've killed more chit than you have ever even seen. With the above mentioned projectiles... Dumbass.
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As most folks know, Nosler makes a bullet that they label a Varmint Bullet and a bullet that they label a Hunting Bullet. That's not how we got started down this path though. Some folks are saying that Nosler changed some of the Hunting Bullets. They did. They changed the jacket profiles on some of them.
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When I'm loading if the MV is 3000fps or less I use Nosler BT if the MV is over 3000fps I use Nosler Accubonds. It has worked out well for me over the years. The only bullet I refuse to use for anything bigger that coyotes is the Sierra hunting bullets. They just seem too soft and I have seen multiple complete failures on deer. I actually shot a deer below me at about 30 yards with one in 270Win. hitting it in the back down between the shoulder blades. The bullet made a hole about the size of my fist but didn't hold together long enough to enter its chest cavity. Luckily it affected its spine and I got to finish it off with a second shot. Sierra makes quite a few different hunting bullets. Game King, Pro Hunter, Tipped Game King? Caliber, weight within caliber?
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GFY, Biden Shill. I've killed more chit than you have ever even seen. With the above mentioned projectiles... Dumbass. So, tell me where you full of chit when you claimed the BT was "always a hunting bullet" or just forget to drink your ensure? Go clear some brush. Talking bullets of the nosler variety is over your pointed head, by a landslide.
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So, tell me where you full of chit when you claimed the BT was "always a hunting bullet" or just forget to drink your ensure?
Go clear some brush. Still a dumbass I see. Your ignorance is showing. Nothing out the ordinary for you though. https://www.nosler.com/products/bullets/product-line/ballistic-tipr-hunting.htmlThe combination of performance and versatility that Nosler® has built into these bullets has resulted in over 25 years of successful hunts for sportsmen across the country – and around the world. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/7ObKhfQ.png)
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GFY, Biden Shill. I've killed more chit than you have ever even seen. With the above mentioned projectiles... Dumbass. So, tell me where you full of chit when you claimed the BT was "always a hunting bullet" or just forget to drink your ensure? Go clear some brush. Talking bullets of the nosler variety is over your pointed head, by a landslide. If someone were to examine the whole of your contributions here, would they find you to be a helpful member of the community? A productive member of the community? A friendly member of the community? Or would they find you to be angry and uncomfortable in your own skin?
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When I'm loading if the MV is 3000fps or less I use Nosler BT if the MV is over 3000fps I use Nosler Accubonds. It has worked out well for me over the years. The only bullet I refuse to use for anything bigger that coyotes is the Sierra hunting bullets. They just seem too soft and I have seen multiple complete failures on deer. I actually shot a deer below me at about 30 yards with one in 270Win. hitting it in the back down between the shoulder blades. The bullet made a hole about the size of my fist but didn't hold together long enough to enter its chest cavity. Luckily it affected its spine and I got to finish it off with a second shot. Down through the shoulders at 30 yards is asking a lot of most any cup n core bullets. A lot of bone to break through.
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating! There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject. You must have Insider information. At some point, someone at Nosler had an epiphany and combined a polycarbonate tip with the Solid Base bullet and the Ballistic Tip bullet was born. Since the plastic tip can be any color, Noser assigned different color tips to different calibers. The Ballistic Tip is very accurate, has a high BC and expands rapidly, maximizing the shock to the animal's system. Early examples perhaps expanded too violently, killing light framed animals very quickly with heart/lung shots, but penetration on larger game was sometimes found lacking. Nosler increased the jacket thickness and refined the bullet's performance, increasing penetration. Today, the Ballistic Tip is one of the most versatile and popular premium bullets on the market and it has sparked a "tipped bullet" revolution. Practically every major bullet and ammunition manufacturer has introduced a tipped bullet to compete with the Ballistic Tip. I don't remember them changing the BT bullet... But I may be wrong. What most people don't realize is that the larger the caliber, and heavier the BT bullet, the thicker the jacket. It's always been that way. Frankly I started using BT's out of a .223 hunting coyotes. And again, frankly, the jacket was too thick out of a .223 55gr... It would blow through a coyote and leave a quarter sized exit. Had lots of runners, shot behind or through the shoulders. Then the V-Max came out. Thinner jacket. Much more explosive expansion, and a runner was rare. Usually no exit with a V-Max either. Now you take that same BT 55gr bullet and push it out of a 22-250, you get different results. Lots of variables in play. But a BT has never been a "varmint bullet". It's been a hunting bullet. Enter the Nosler Varmageddon if you want V-Max type explosiveness.
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GFY, Biden Shill. I've killed more chit than you have ever even seen. With the above mentioned projectiles... Dumbass. So, tell me where you full of chit when you claimed the BT was "always a hunting bullet" or just forget to drink your ensure? Go clear some brush. Talking bullets of the nosler variety is over your pointed head, by a landslide. If someone were to examine the whole of your contributions here, would they find you to be a helpful member of the community? A productive member of the community? A friendly member of the community? Or would they find you to be angry and uncomfortable in your own skin? You contribute anything about hunting? You're a poser, go back to your bike and spandex forum. Oh, and nice catch taking down the post on this thread after realizing you forgot to read before you typed.
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That 220 grain 30 cal looks interesting.
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When I'm loading if the MV is 3000fps or less I use Nosler BT if the MV is over 3000fps I use Nosler Accubonds. It has worked out well for me over the years. The only bullet I refuse to use for anything bigger that coyotes is the Sierra hunting bullets. They just seem too soft and I have seen multiple complete failures on deer. I actually shot a deer below me at about 30 yards with one in 270Win. hitting it in the back down between the shoulder blades. The bullet made a hole about the size of my fist but didn't hold together long enough to enter its chest cavity. Luckily it affected its spine and I got to finish it off with a second shot. Down through the shoulders at 30 yards is asking a lot of most any cup n core bullets. A lot of bone to break through. I generally punch shoulders with an AMAX at 30-200 yard ranges from a 7/08. WT not elk. You don't get the big holes but I've never found the bullet and the heart/lungs tend to be goo. Of the last 10 or so shot, tracking distance is about 20 feet for all combined. They just wobble and fall over.
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Maybe my sense of humor is too dry at times?
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You contribute anything about hunting? You're a poser, go back to your bike and spandex forum. LOL. Still a dumbass. Maybe you can get your boyfriend to read this history of the BT for you, and then point out where I was wrong about anything I said? https://www.americanhunter.org/content/bullet-bio-nosler-ballistic-tip/Your problem is you run your mouth about things you don't have a clue about. It's what you do. Well, besides vote for every democrat on the ballot... LOL.
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You contribute anything about hunting? You're a poser, go back to your bike and spandex forum. LOL. Still a dumbass. Maybe you can get your boyfriend to read this history of the BT for you, and then point out where I was wrong about anything I said? https://www.americanhunter.org/content/bullet-bio-nosler-ballistic-tip/Your problem is you run your mouth about things you don't have a clue about. It's what you do. Well, besides vote for every democrat on the ballot... LOL. Did nosler mis-label their own bullets, on their own website? What a clown. Has the varmint ballistic tip always been a hunting bullet? Change your depends, the ones you're wearing are full. Oh, and you are the exact guy that article was written for, read it again, report back your "findings". Laffin'
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Maybe my sense of humor is too dry at times? I got you cuzzin '.
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You contribute anything about hunting? You're a poser, go back to your bike and spandex forum.
Oh, and nice catch taking down the post on this thread after realizing you forgot to read before you typed. Nice dodge, bitter little fat boy.
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You contribute anything about hunting? You're a poser, go back to your bike and spandex forum. LOL. Still a dumbass. Maybe you can get your boyfriend to read this history of the BT for you, and then point out where I was wrong about anything I said? https://www.americanhunter.org/content/bullet-bio-nosler-ballistic-tip/Your problem is you run your mouth about things you don't have a clue about. It's what you do. Well, besides vote for every democrat on the ballot... LOL. Did nosler mis-label their own bullets, on their own website? What a clown. Has the varmint ballistic tip always been a hunting bullet? Change your depends, the ones you're wearing are full. Oh, and you are the exact guy that article was written for, read it again, report back your "findings". Laffin' Hey, Dumbfugk, They didn't create the "Varmint" line until many, many years of the original debut of the BT. God damn you ARE one dense MF'r. Always a clown, and entertaining though.... If only you weren't so sickening.  I bet you are the most hated SOB on this site. But yet you come back back for more and more.
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You contribute anything about hunting? You're a poser, go back to your bike and spandex forum. LOL. Still a dumbass. Maybe you can get your boyfriend to read this history of the BT for you, and then point out where I was wrong about anything I said? https://www.americanhunter.org/content/bullet-bio-nosler-ballistic-tip/Your problem is you run your mouth about things you don't have a clue about. It's what you do. Well, besides vote for every democrat on the ballot... LOL. Did nosler mis-label their own bullets, on their own website? What a clown. Has the varmint ballistic tip always been a hunting bullet? Change your depends, the ones you're wearing are full. Oh, and you are the exact guy that article was written for, read it again, report back your "findings". Laffin' Hey, Dumbfugk, They didn't create the "Varmint" line until many, many years of the original debut of the BT. God damn you ARE one dense MF'r. Always a clown, and entertaining though.... If only you weren't so sickening. I bet you are the most hated SOB on this site. But yet you come back back for more and more. Was trying to figure this out. Within 10-12 years for sure.
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Years ago a guy here on the ‘fire posted a bullet torture test he performed using a variety of bullets shot through meat, then into the shoulder knuckle of a moo cow. He got the bones from a butcher. The data he collected included penetration depth, bullet retained weight as a percentage of original weight, and expansion as a percentage of original diameter.
IIRC, the .308 cal 168 (maybe 180?) BT performed shockingly well.
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Maybe my sense of humor is too dry at times? I got you cuzzin '. Thanks cuzzin! Now....who is this "Mule Deer" character?
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Yep, they introduced the varmint line in 1991, eight years after the hunting line. I know this because they sent me some that spring, a couple months after their announcement at the SHOT Show in January.
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Maybe my sense of humor is too dry at times? I got you cuzzin '. Thanks cuzzin! Now.... who is this "Mule Deer" character?Meet "Mule Deer" from what I understand he is quite the character. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/Iajvgbw.jpg)
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You contribute anything about hunting? You're a poser, go back to your bike and spandex forum. LOL. Still a dumbass. Maybe you can get your boyfriend to read this history of the BT for you, and then point out where I was wrong about anything I said? https://www.americanhunter.org/content/bullet-bio-nosler-ballistic-tip/Your problem is you run your mouth about things you don't have a clue about. It's what you do. Well, besides vote for every democrat on the ballot... LOL. Did nosler mis-label their own bullets, on their own website? What a clown. Has the varmint ballistic tip always been a hunting bullet? Change your depends, the ones you're wearing are full. Oh, and you are the exact guy that article was written for, read it again, report back your "findings". Laffin' Hey, Dumbfugk, They didn't create the "Varmint" line until many, many years of the original debut of the BT. God damn you ARE one dense MF'r. Always a clown, and entertaining though.... If only you weren't so sickening. I bet you are the most hated SOB on this site. But yet you come back back for more and more. 8 years is "many, many"? About the same number of firing brain cells you have left.
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Did the cow [bleep] again?
Look at what just Buzzed in.
FJB & FJT
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8 years is "many, many"? About the same number of firing brain cells you have left. When you are backed into a corner, become a tedious bore who wants to engage in semantic masturbation.
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8 years is "many, many"? About the same number of firing brain cells you have left. When you are backed into a corner, become a tedious bore who wants to engage in semantic masturbation. LOL. He gets his ass handed to him every time he comes here spouting his retard stuff. But he comes back for more and more.
Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell
Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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Maybe my sense of humor is too dry at times? I got you cuzzin '. Thanks cuzzin! Now....who is this "Mule Deer" character? I'm sure you'll figure it out..tongue firmly in cheek..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Maybe my sense of humor is too dry at times? I got you cuzzin '. Thanks cuzzin! Now....who is this "Mule Deer" character? That isn’t dry humor, that’s “drought” humor…
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Shrapnel,
Is that a JetStream Lite you are wearing? That's my favorite piece of all. I had to buy my wife one also, as I always caught her wearing mine. I wish they still made them. I’m no t sure what it’s called, but it is Gore tex windproof top, exceptional lightweight jacket…
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How many of us remember shooting and hunting with the "Solid Base"? Before it gained the poly-carbonate tip?
At that time I was regularly burning a couple hundred 30-06 rounds a day, every other week end during the season shooting whistle pigs on the BLM ground surrounding our farm. I used 165 gr boat tail bullets from Speer, Sierra, and the Nosler solid base.
The problem came with repeated "tactical reloads". Sometimes the round in the bottom of the mag would be subjected to 10 or 12 recoil impulses before it made its way to the top of the mag. The SP tip would turn into a mushroom, smashed back to the jacket.
The Sierra 165 gr HPBT was the only bullet I found which resisted this deformation. Until Nosler gave us the ballistic tip. It was the answer to my prayers. And damned if it was not a very accurate and effective killer of mule deer as well. It soon became the only bullet I loaded for the '06. Though, in 1994, I did find it a bit too frangible for my taste on elk.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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OK shrapnel.
You owe us the technical's. Range, where did the bullet hit, did it exit, etc. Who the fugk do you think you are demanding anything of substance from another member? Piss back of to your quest for news that the sky is falling. Paul is throwing another tantrum because he isn't the center of attention. Narcissists do that. He is working with a wet tampon.
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I think Nosler increased the jacket thickness for that bullet several years ago!
Good job and good eating! There has been absolutely NO information released on that subject. You must have Insider information. At some point, someone at Nosler had an epiphany and combined a polycarbonate tip with the Solid Base bullet and the Ballistic Tip bullet was born. Since the plastic tip can be any color, Noser assigned different color tips to different calibers. The Ballistic Tip is very accurate, has a high BC and expands rapidly, maximizing the shock to the animal's system. Early examples perhaps expanded too violently, killing light framed animals very quickly with heart/lung shots, but penetration on larger game was sometimes found lacking. Nosler increased the jacket thickness and refined the bullet's performance, increasing penetration. Today, the Ballistic Tip is one of the most versatile and popular premium bullets on the market and it has sparked a "tipped bullet" revolution. Practically every major bullet and ammunition manufacturer has introduced a tipped bullet to compete with the Ballistic Tip. I don't remember them changing the BT bullet... But I may be wrong. What most people don't realize is that the larger the caliber, and heavier the BT bullet, the thicker the jacket. It's always been that way. Frankly I started using BT's out of a .223 hunting coyotes. And again, frankly, the jacket was too thick out of a .223 55gr... It would blow through a coyote and leave a quarter sized exit. Had lots of runners, shot behind or through the shoulders. Then the V-Max came out. Thinner jacket. Much more explosive expansion, and a runner was rare. Usually no exit with a V-Max either. Now you take that same BT 55gr bullet and push it out of a 22-250, you get different results. Lots of variables in play. But a BT has never been a "varmint bullet". It's been a hunting bullet. Enter the Nosler Varmageddon if you want V-Max type explosiveness. What enhanced the thicker jackets was that on a few occasions some bullets were losing their structural integrity due to faster muzzle velocities and faster ROT and were exploding before reaching the target!
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I will wait for Mule Deer's confirmation on that theory.
The only bullet I have ever managed to destruct in mid air due to rotational velocity was the Speer 308 110 gr Varminter. I was driving it from a 30-06 with a full charge of 3031.
And it was making six to ten holes in a target at 25 yds.
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I will wait for Mule Deer's confirmation on that theory.
The only bullet I have ever managed to destruct in mid air due to rotational velocity was the Speer 308 110 gr Varminter. I was driving it from a 30-06 with a full charge of 3031.
And it was making six to ten holes in a target at 25 yds. I did the same with that bullet, the one with the big hollow point designed for the 30 carbine. I also had some Sierra 110 RN's come apart playing with top speeds out of a 30-06. The old Plinker was a more solid bullet than either of those two.
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How many of us remember shooting and hunting with the "Solid Base"? Before it gained the poly-carbonate tip?. Only shot thousands of them. Still have a stash and still use them. Even though it's tough to do for those that know, ignore the net all time B&C pronghorn. ![[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]](https://photos.imageevent.com/buzzandpat/hunting/websize/0813162011.jpg)
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Hahahaha!
Oh sweetie.
You try too hard.
I am MAGA.
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Nosler made a limited run of the lead tipped solid base around 2006ish (the ones in the photo in the plain boxes).
Should have bought a few thousand more than I did.
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Pard envy....
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Hahahaha!
Oh sweetie.
You try too hard. Just take out the notepad and pen, school is in session. First time you've ever seen a box of solid base bullets.
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Hahahaha!
Oh sweetie.
You try too hard. Just take out the notepad and pen, school is in session. First time you've ever seen a box of solid base bullets. What ever you have to tell yourself. Keep sucking those cocks buzzie.
I am MAGA.
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Hahahaha!
Oh sweetie.
You try too hard. Just take out the notepad and pen, school is in session. First time you've ever seen a box of solid base bullets. What ever you have to tell yourself. Keep sucking those cocks buzzie. Have another swig. Do you need a loan for a stove/oven?
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Nosler solid base was the predecessor to the ballistic tip.... they improved them
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Hahahaha!
Oh sweetie.
You try too hard. Just take out the notepad and pen, school is in session. First time you've ever seen a box of solid base bullets. What ever you have to tell yourself. Keep sucking those cocks buzzie. Have another swig. Do you need a loan for a stove/oven? Gobble Gobble buzzie!
I am MAGA.
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Nosler solid base was the predecessor to the ballistic tip.... they improved them I sure as hell thought so.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Hahahaha!
Oh sweetie.
You try too hard. Just take out the notepad and pen, school is in session. First time you've ever seen a box of solid base bullets. What ever you have to tell yourself. Keep sucking those cocks buzzie. Have another swig. Do you need a loan for a stove/oven? Gobble Gobble buzzie! I could probably sell all those solid base bullets and afford a new stove.
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