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It would appear that he’s saying the bullet is “harder” towards the base because the jacket is thicker in the interest of retarding expansion. If the lead core is all one alloy it isn’t a dual core or dual hardness like an old Speer GS.

And my use of the 30/180 Silvertip showed them to be a POS. Some would work perfectly, some show very little sign of expansion, and one completely expanded down to its base and failed to break the shoulder after 2” of penetration. If they’re predictable I can deal with it by staying on or off bone depending on if they’re hard or soft. If they do something different every time they land they’re near worthless to me. These would have been the last generation produced.

I had almost as poor of luck with 6.5/140 CoreLokts. Terrible lack of penetration, no exits on rib shot 100lb deer and completely coming apart any time a bone was hit. Wouldn’t give a dollar for a box of them either but at least they were consistent.

Grandad's Sage Advice: When you find yourself in a hole that's too deep to get out of....stop digging.

There's a few who know something you don't jackass, slow the bullet down, big surprise.. huh ? If a 2700 FPS FMJ can kill a man at extended ranges why couldn't a obsolete one do it know at modest ranges ? And IF you read the success stories of certain cartridges having no problems with the bullet then it SHOULD make you think but it appears that Darwin is in your way.

If that's true then you're in the group from the explosion. Carry on in the mess of opinions. It's more enjoyable to listen to Hornady's pod casts and not to Your BS !

My old man said to buy a shovel, for an early grave. Guess your pop pop was wrong too.

So you don't drive them hard, and there won't be any issues of failure. I listened to that podcast about Steve Hornady asking Dave Emery to slow down a bullet and Dave said we can't do that. If they can design a bullet to successfully expand at high velocity why can't they design one at slower velocity? They could.

See the difference between getting from point A to point B is speed for some.... and long range the bullet wouldn't work, But you still get their driving the speed limit verses some speed demon, and that's what alot of guys are , even if it isn't long range and Hornady had to work very hard to deliver a bullet that can do it, and my hats off to them. Most people back then didn't have the need to have that type of performance, did they ? No they didn't, and typically today they don't except you fraternity of long range hunters.

So why bash a cup and core, THAT WORKS even though they "fall" apart. Slow them down, sonny. Or use a heavier bullet on heavier game. But I guess you get what Jessica Brooks said about thier TTSX, dropping down a weight or two and still do the job ? ? LOL Is that it? And if lighter ones fall apart on lighter game it's the manufactures fault? Guess you could just slow them down, couldn't ya? Longer range they slow down for you. See? isn't that simple ?

I remember my father in law telling me about Sierras "hunting" loads which were mostly hot loads. Why so hot is needed, his answer was that's what they list and that's what you should use. Bunch of BS. Someone I should have respected? for what? what for? Even Sierra? Speed isn't always the answer, is it?

Oh But you have to have a bullet that completely passes through the animal, one of my wifes uncle told me early on, which I knew he was full if crap, knowing that an up setted bullet does it long before it exits the animal.

How far is long range? I mean, how far is your furthest animal you’ve take and where do you hunt? Just wondering.

Your thread, your shovel.

Keep digging if that's all you can do.

So why bash a cup and core, THAT WORKS even though they "fall" apart. Slow them down, sonny. Or use a heavier bullet on heavier game. But I guess you get what Jessica Brooks said about thier TTSX, dropping down a weight or two and still do the job ? ? LOL Is that it? And if lighter ones fall apart on lighter game it's the manufactures fault? Guess you could just slow them down, couldn't ya? Longer range they slow down for you. See? isn't that simple ?

I remember my father in law telling me about Sierras "hunting" loads which were mostly hot loads. Why so hot is needed, his answer was that's what they list and that's what you should use. Bunch of BS. Someone I should have respected? for what? what for? Even Sierra? Speed isn't always the answer, is it?

Oh But you have to have a bullet that completely passes through the animal, one of my wifes uncle told me early on, which I knew he was full if crap, knowing that an up setted bullet does it long before it exits the animal.[/quote]







Zerk, stop confusing my comments/posts on this thread with another's comments/posts like you did on your 760 hot brass thread.

Where did I bash a cup and core for coming apart? I didn't, just like I never said a jacketed rifle bullet had a core of pure lead.

Where have we seen this before??

The little bit of knowledge you have has swelled your head three times the size it was at birth, and it started to swell when people told you how cute you were.

So why bash a cup and core, THAT WORKS even though they "fall" apart. Slow them down, sonny. Or use a heavier bullet on heavier game. But I guess you get what Jessica Brooks said about thier TTSX, dropping down a weight or two and still do the job ? ? LOL Is that it? And if lighter ones fall apart on lighter game it's the manufactures fault? Guess you could just slow them down, couldn't ya? Longer range they slow down for you. See? isn't that simple ?

I remember my father in law telling me about Sierras "hunting" loads which were mostly hot loads. Why so hot is needed, his answer was that's what they list and that's what you should use. Bunch of BS. Someone I should have respected? for what? what for? Even Sierra? Speed isn't always the answer, is it?

Oh But you have to have a bullet that completely passes through the animal, one of my wifes uncle told me early on, which I knew he was full if crap, knowing that an up setted bullet does it long before it exits the animal.[/quote]







Zerk, stop confusing my comments/posts on this thread with another's comments/posts like you did on your 760 hot brass thread.

Where did I bash a cup and core for coming apart? I didn't, just like I never said a jacketed rifle bullet had a core of pure lead.[/quote]

sorry about that, son. Was Swifty not you.

Years ago and I'm talking years, like 25 years..... An old timer from Sierra, told me about the shank being harder. Some things you don't forget. This Philip guy just started recently. I wish I knew the guy I talked to back then. Oh well, it is what it is. But at least you know that Sierra bullets are NOT pure lead.

So why bash a cup and core, THAT WORKS even though they "fall" apart. Slow them down, sonny. Or use a heavier bullet on heavier game. But I guess you get what Jessica Brooks said about thier TTSX, dropping down a weight or two and still do the job ? ? LOL Is that it? And if lighter ones fall apart on lighter game it's the manufactures fault? Guess you could just slow them down, couldn't ya? Longer range they slow down for you. See? isn't that simple ?

I remember my father in law telling me about Sierras "hunting" loads which were mostly hot loads. Why so hot is needed, his answer was that's what they list and that's what you should use. Bunch of BS. Someone I should have respected? for what? what for? Even Sierra? Speed isn't always the answer, is it?

Oh But you have to have a bullet that completely passes through the animal, one of my wifes uncle told me early on, which I knew he was full if crap, knowing that an up setted bullet does it long before it exits the animal.[/quote]

So why bash a cup and core, THAT WORKS even though they "fall" apart. Slow them down, sonny. Or use a heavier bullet on heavier game. But I guess you get what Jessica Brooks said about thier TTSX, dropping down a weight or two and still do the job ? ? LOL Is that it? And if lighter ones fall apart on lighter game it's the manufactures fault? Guess you could just slow them down, couldn't ya? Longer range they slow down for you. See? isn't that simple ?

I remember my father in law telling me about Sierras "hunting" loads which were mostly hot loads. Why so hot is needed, his answer was that's what they list and that's what you should use. Bunch of BS. Someone I should have respected? for what? what for? Even Sierra? Speed isn't always the answer, is it?

Oh But you have to have a bullet that completely passes through the animal, one of my wifes uncle told me early on, which I knew he was full if crap, knowing that an up setted bullet does it long before it exits the animal.[/quote]







Zerk, stop confusing my comments/posts on this thread with another's comments/posts like you did on your 760 hot brass thread.

Where did I bash a cup and core for coming apart? I didn't, just like I never said a jacketed rifle bullet had a core of pure lead.[/quote]

sorry about that, son. Was Swifty not you.[/quote]








Notice how you answered to Zerk and didn't deny it???🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣



I ain't your son and damn glad of it.

you're probably illegitimate, considering your mannerisms. A few others know how to behave unlike you boy.

how fast were you loading them ?

Considering you live in Northeast USA you can answer you're own question. And considering the truth of what the ST can do verses what most say it can't do, what's the difference how far I shoot ?

The only consistency I saw from Corelokt bullets was they were inconsistent.

I guess by now you haven't learned that cup and core bullets can't be pushed too hard. You and others for that matter. Ok so the ST is too soft, big deal. Don't use them, just like the CL. Class dismissed.

Illiterate dumbphuk- your drivel ain't worth reading so I didn't open your PM before deleting.