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I got more posts than you means l’m senior to your dilapidated ass!

I grabbed a Mitutoyo 1.000" ground standard and checked some stuff on my bench:

-#1 Mitutoyo 193-211: 1.000"
-#2 Mitutoyo 193-211: 1.000"
-#3 Mitutoyo 193-211: 1.000"
-Scherr Tomico manual micrometer: 1.000"
-#1 dial caliper: 1.001"
-#2 dial caliper: 1.003"
-#1 digital dial caliper: .9985"
-#2 digital dial caliper: 1.0025"

Al_Nylus,

I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about here. It takes a practiced feel to read a caliper correctly. Most just clamp down on something any old which way and call it Gospel. If that caliper isn't gliding like melted butter on a tin roof then you ain't getting that feel.
This $56 set of Hornady's isn't at all like that. You can actually feel the teeth clicking in it, which screams junk to me. The $29 set of Harbor Freight digitals I picked up a while back, just to have something cheap out in the garage were even worse. I didn't even make it out of the parking lot with them, took it right back in and got my money back.

When digital calipers first came out they didn't play well with the coolants used in machining. So ya, us senile citizens have a natural distrust in relying on them to make accurate measurements...

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Thanks for all this, guys. The $90 Mitutoyo dial calipers I started using in the student machine shop 25 years ago are still going strong...

...the $200 Mitutoyo digital calipers I bought 10 years ago are no longer accurate and I took them out of general use. They were not used in a machine shop, no coolant...but they still crapped out. They look fine, just don't read accurately anymore.

Just snagged a pair of old B&S calipers off Ebay...they look clean so hopefully worth the $50.

Oh so you do read my posts even though I'm on your ignore list. hmmm


well at least you ain't bashing my .....sensible advice.

On ward down ward Alice !


And you're to proud to buy perfectly good oversea tools that ARE better.


41_100 wrote this in YOUR Starrett Mitutoyo thread........... about a repair mans take on JUNK tooling.

I believe that ! Harbor Freight suits me fine ! Even though my Tacoma is made in Mexico it's built better than any American vehicle and I don't need to own one just to feed my ego!!

A good friend has a business buying and selling machine shop equipment. Often, he does a full lift including equipment and tools. He's been a great source of high quality precision meauring tools...micrometers, depth mics, micrometer heads for tools I've made, inside hole mics, dial bore gauges, etc.

Good shootin' -Al

Occasionally if I want a giggle I'll toggle one of your posts to see what's going on in lalalulu land. I really wouldn't consider that any sort of vindication though.


Being able to enjoy the knowledgeable parts of the conversation while just skipping over your predictably inept bullshi t is worth every penny of the price of admission. The only thing that would be any better would be an outright block button to leave you hanging out there in cyberspace ackyacking to yourself.

you are extremely good at playing with yourself behind your mascaraed ! I bet you sell people blind horses.

and where are they made ???? for 50 bucks I'm sure they ain't high quality, that's for sure !

The joker that happily admits to not shooting much, and attempts to set up a sizing die with a go-gauge, and buys a set of incrementalized shell holders to "fix" where he jacked that up....is now lecturing gunsmiths in the gunsmith forum on quality precision measuring devices.

You just can't make this stuff up.

oh get off of it dip sh it ! just because you shoot more mean jack diddly BS to me and alot of other people, and you're too stupid to see that ! Get a life ! YOU DON'T NEED THAT KIND OF PRECISION JACK AZZ ! For handloading, and that type I don't need !

Then, get off my thread.

Simple.

ok dumb [bleep] in the mud... maybe I need to buy a bigger set of boots, walking through your sh it !


why did you do this? If they suck so much ??? And we need to know this because ???? like we don't know that you top shelf calipers are better, no sh it sherlock, what was your first clue ? What point are you trying to make ??


Someone told you that already.... but I guess you like to hear yourself talk.


Guess that's not enough for you not to ask these kinds of questions, isn't it ? PROBABLY NOT !!!

I use these vintage high quality Scherr-Tumico micrometers quite a bit when I don't need .0001 resolution. Quality measuring tools generally come with the appropriate standard for checking and rezeroing if needed.


That's changed with the glut of junk on the market. I played with an 'ebay special' Chinese counterfeit big-name digital electronic micrometer that came with a 'standard'. The problem was the 'standard' was a piece of black plastic rod that measured .998" instead of 1.000". Tools that display to the fourth decimal when they can't resolve to within 2 thou. is always good humor....marketing people are savvy to the ignorant and the cheap. People measuring the inside diameter of a hole with a dial caliper and pronouncing the dimension as correct comes in at second place. Pictures usually accompany such gospel.

I have several good digital dial calipers and they are fine for what they get used for. When close enough is close enough...close enough will do.

Good shootin' -Al

My standard is certified out to .00008"
I like to use a .5000" block since it's in the center of the range of a 1" mike.
Most people just check a 0-1" mike at zero.
Of course when talking 4 decimals temperature matters

The three shops I worked in had a mike tree to test micrometers. When I worked in a grinding room splitting 10ths I'd take my mikes into Inspection/Gage Repair (temperature controlled), let them stabilize to the temperature and verify the measurement.

And "close enough" is only good for horse shoes, hand grenades and nuclear warfare, not when you're grinding gage blocks for God... 😅😂😂🤣🤣🤣

When you are purchasing a Mitutoyo digital , make sure you buy from a legitimate retailer, like machine shop supplier. NOT Amazon . I bought mine from KBC. I was told to keep the cardboard sleeve, other wise they wouldn't warranty them. There are a lot fakes out there.

Calipers are good to .005" . They tend to be better than that but...... I have a $20 Chinese no-name dial calipers that I used used for 25 years in maintenance shop, and am still using them at home after I retired. I had bought a second one for reloading, but my Lab thought they were toy to chew on. They didn't survive. My Starrett are nice, but not by much, and only after the Starrett was broke in. (NOS)

Lufkin made great mics they say. I think they are referring to the thimble ones. I bought 6" to 12" interchangeable anvils Lufkin mic off an old Boeing machinist .They are just a ratchet, They were a pain to clean and adjust. Besides the Lufkin, I have Mitutoyo, Starrett, Moore and Wright, VIS, Craftsmen, Brown and Sharp and a Kanon micrometers. Imperial and Metric. The Mits are the easiest of the bunch for cleaning and adjusting. Only a few were bought new, and they were NOS .