We Americans always love a good David and Goliath story it seems. However, something few hear about, or much less care is the value of the successes in the air, of Polish Pilots, who made it to Britain and flew in 303 Squadron during the Battle of Britain.
Air Historians would later credit Polish and Czech Pilots during the Battle of Britain as what defeated the Luftwaffe over British skies in the end. 303 Squadron made up of Poles, shot down more any other Squadron in the RAF, almost triple what the next highest scoring RAF unit did, while being operational for a much shorter period during the Battle.
For those with any interest, here's a nice video explaining why:
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Biggest loosers of Wold War II. The british government charged them for training, weapons,...... I wonder if Polish Government in exile had to pay for funerals of those killed in defense of britain. Yes, would not surprise me one bit. The british did not even let them march in victory parade because that could upset Stalin. They told those pilots to leave England and go home. The Poles have handed over weapons to Ukrainians for free and signed contracts with Americans, South Koreans, British for billions of dollars, new bumper country against Russian expansion into Europe. Mercenary idiots of the world.
In case you ain’t read it already, The Most Dangerous Enemy is the best BoB book I have found and like that video goes contrary to the popular conceptions of that fight.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
I've worked with a few Polish people that came here after the war. Couldn't ask for a harder and more dedicated worker. They set their mind to getting a job done and you won't find them standing around drinking coffee and BS'ing all day long.
My sister adopted four kids from a Polish orphanage, they turned out so well we have decided to get all our kids from Poland from now on 🙂
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
I've worked with a few Polish people that came here after the war. Couldn't ask for a harder and more dedicated worker. They set their mind to getting a job done and you won't find them standing around drinking coffee and BS'ing all day long.
Phil
They worked hard? Not like you and the rest of the commie pinko fágs I bet.
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Biggest loosers of Wold War II. The british government charged them for training, weapons,...... I wonder if Polish Government in exile had to pay for funerals of those killed in defense of britain. Yes, would not surprise me one bit. The british did not even let them march in victory parade because that could upset Stalin. They told those pilots to leave England and go home. The Poles have handed over weapons to Ukrainians for free and signed contracts with Americans, South Koreans, British for billions of dollars, new bumper country against Russian expansion into Europe. Mercenary idiots of the world.
They were treated terrible after the war and then deported back to Poland where the Russians treated them even worse.The Brits should be ashamed at how they treated them.
Always been a student of the Battle of Britain, from living over there.
The British had a habit of a 4 finger flight of a/c. They would go after a bomber in that formation. German fighters would come up and take them down 1 2 3 4, while they were trying to line up on the Bomber.. It was a dumbass thing to do.
they Poles, much like the Rasta of the Luftwaffe, loose formation of pilot and wingmen in two pairs. Their training and experience, and their hate for the Nazis, that attacked their nation, they were Highly Motivated.
They would dive, and come up under a bomber, then pop up at a 100 yds or less, right on their tail. Flying RAF Hurricanes, which carried either 8 or 12 machine guns, in 303 caliber, they'd open up and tear the living crap out of the German bomber, and then drop away in a dive, before a Luftwaffe ME 109, could get on their tail.
The Poles didn't wait for a gun camera , to record a victory for them. They knew the bomber wasn't going to make it back to Germany, and that they had just killed half the crew at least, at close range.
The RAF was trained to open up at about 400 yds, and to not get closer, within range of the bomber's 8 mm guns, for fear of being hit. German fighters carried at least ONE 20 mm cannon in the nose, the RAF used rifle caliber 303s. The Poles knew they had to use them at close range, to make them effective.
After the Battle of Britain was over, the Spitfire Mk 2 and the Hurricane Mk 2s, started having at least one 20mm cannon in each wing.
As hunters and shooters, we know that a 303, equivalent to a 30/40 Krag, loses energy and trajectory at 400 yds. Within 3 to 4 weeks, of operation, the Poles became the leading fighter squadron for the RAF, and ended the Battle of Britain, scoring twice the kills as the second highest scoring group, and having a small fraction of loses of any other RAF Squadron.
Basically in American terms... they had both Balls and Brains, and an intense hatred of German Nazis for motivation, of what they did to,and within Poland, the year earlier in 1939.
Poles fought in the military of Allied nations against Germany. They were always given the crap jobs, like they were disposable. But Polish forces were the ones that over and over again, held their own in the face of combat with Nazi forces, regardless in the Air or on the ground. Poland deserves more respect for their efforts in WW2, which no one seems to do, or as on here, the response is some worn out Polish Joke, about them being Stupid.
The Poles sacrificed MORE than any other allied nation in WW2, but their people never shirked standing up to fight the NAZIs, whatever Uniform of Allied Force they were wearing. They deserve respect, NOT a worn out Polish Joke on how dumb people think they are.
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Biggest loosers of Wold War II. The british government charged them for training, weapons,...... I wonder if Polish Government in exile had to pay for funerals of those killed in defense of britain. Yes, would not surprise me one bit. The british did not even let them march in victory parade because that could upset Stalin. They told those pilots to leave England and go home. The Poles have handed over weapons to Ukrainians for free and signed contracts with Americans, South Koreans, British for billions of dollars, new bumper country against Russian expansion into Europe. Mercenary idiots of the world.
They were treated terrible after the war and then deported back to Poland where the Russians treated them even worse.The Brits should be ashamed at how they treated them.
Bb
The british have no shame. They have never been friends of Poles or any other country in Central Europe. To insult Poles further they sealed documents regarding death of General Sikorski for another 50 years.
Much respect is definitely due the Polish soldiers!
Yes, you will defend your interests to the last Slav. The conflict in 🇺🇦 is perfect example of this. I am 💯% sure the Poles signed some kind of defense agreement with 🇺🇦, 🇺🇲 & 🇬🇧 in case Russians try to move west. They will be next to find themselves in the 🍖 grinder.
Much respect is definitely due the Polish soldiers!
I am 💯% sure the Poles signed some kind of defense agreement with 🇺🇦, 🇺🇲 & 🇬🇧 in case Russians try to move west. They will be next to find themselves in the 🍖 grinder.
Poland is part of Nato and one of the bigger 'contributors' in terms of defense spending. Pretty sure they're tired of being the speed bump between Germany and Russia.
Much respect is definitely due the Polish soldiers!
I am 💯% sure the Poles signed some kind of defense agreement with 🇺🇦, 🇺🇲 & 🇬🇧 in case Russians try to move west. They will be next to find themselves in the 🍖 grinder.
Poland is part of Nato and one of the bigger 'contributors' in terms of defense spending. Pretty sure they're tired of being the speed bump between Germany and Russia.
With Sweden and Finland in NATO the strategic situation has probably improved. The Poles did everything possible to make Russians hate them. In highly unlikely scenario where Russians move West the Poles may last long enough to get support from NATO. If the West continues to support Ukrainians Russian capabilities will diminish further.
When fighting in Iraq my son said the Polish guys were darn good at what they did. They called them several times for backup in fighting, they showed up in those giant helicopters loaded to the hilt with everything and once directed where to lay down cover fire they blew the chit out of the enemy. He traded with them and got some nice souviners, hard drinkers as well.
i am a 4th generation Pole. i hate Russia even more than the Nazis. at least the Nazis didn't provide "friendship" only to make your country a puppet state. Poland is Europe's military powerhouse. it is what we in the US call "The European Texas".
You are probably going to regret not thinking that through a little further.
Probably won't really regret it one way or the other... but curious what I'm missing. (I assumed the uncle was a blood relative... I guess if it's an uncle by marriage the brother doesn't become her uncle?)
Biggest loosers of Wold War II. The british government charged them for training, weapons,...... I wonder if Polish Government in exile had to pay for funerals of those killed in defense of britain. Yes, would not surprise me one bit. The british did not even let them march in victory parade because that could upset Stalin. They told those pilots to leave England and go home. The Poles have handed over weapons to Ukrainians for free and signed contracts with Americans, South Koreans, British for billions of dollars, new bumper country against Russian expansion into Europe. Mercenary idiots of the world.
They were treated terrible after the war and then deported back to Poland where the Russians treated them even worse.The Brits should be ashamed at how they treated them.
Bb
Let's face it, the Brits are just one messed up bunch of leftist retards on a number of issues. They deserve to be overrun by moslems and their culture destroyed. Only the Germans are as stupid.
kwg
For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.
i am a 4th generation Pole. i hate Russia even more than the Nazis. at least the Nazis didn't provide "friendship" only to make your country a puppet state. Poland is Europe's military powerhouse. it is what we in the US call "The European Texas".
Always been a student of the Battle of Britain, from living over there.
The British had a habit of a 4 finger flight of a/c. They would go after a bomber in that formation. German fighters would come up and take them down 1 2 3 4, while they were trying to line up on the Bomber.. It was a dumbass thing to do.
they Poles, much like the Rasta of the Luftwaffe, loose formation of pilot and wingmen in two pairs. Their training and experience, and their hate for the Nazis, that attacked their nation, they were Highly Motivated.
Just to clarify, IIRC the RAF’s fighter tactics consisted of a squadron of twelve aircraft formed up into four tight “Vic’s” of three aircraft each. See the link for a clear explanation.
The theory was that three fighters attacking in unison would bring more firepower onto the target in what was expected to be just a two-second window of opportunity per firing pass.
The two second presumption was remarkably prescient and was the basis for the sudden upgrade to eight gun fighters such as the Hurricane and the Spitfire as opposed to the two or four gun designs in previous fighters. They had estimated how many .303 bullets would be needed to be delivered on target to down an enemy aircraft and calculated how many machine guns would be needed to achieve that. Hence the new requirement for eight gun fighters.
The tight three plane vic formations however were a disaster, the two trailer planes giving all their attention to maintaining formation with the leader rather than scanning the skies and when they did get “bounced” the Bf109’s diving from above had three targets to choose from.
During the BoB some RAF flight leaders adopted the highly effective German loose four-plane “finger four” formations but apparently this did not become official dogma as taught in training squadrons until 1942, long after the BoB and even after the RAF fighters consistently got their a$$es kicked by the Luftwaffe during their “rhubarb” fighter sweeps over Northern France in 1941.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
Biggest loosers of Wold War II. The british government charged them for training, weapons,...... I wonder if Polish Government in exile had to pay for funerals of those killed in defense of britain. Yes, would not surprise me one bit. The british did not even let them march in victory parade because that could upset Stalin. They told those pilots to leave England and go home. The Poles have handed over weapons to Ukrainians for free and signed contracts with Americans, South Koreans, British for billions of dollars, new bumper country against Russian expansion into Europe. Mercenary idiots of the world.
They were treated terrible after the war and then deported back to Poland where the Russians treated them even worse.The Brits should be ashamed at how they treated them.
Bb
Let's face it, the Brits are just one messed up bunch of leftist retards on a number of issues. They deserve to be overrun by moslems and their culture destroyed. Only the Germans are as stupid.
kwg
They are reaping what they sowed. It is only fitting they become servants of colonials. Same for the Germans. The first concentration camps were established by them in Africa, long before they appeared in Germany and German-occupied Europe of World War II.
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