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A good friend and gun collector / dealer showed me a dandy yesterday. I meant to but forgot to take pictures of the gun. The roll stamps looked absolutely perfect on the barrel. It came from a collector who was known for owning lots of "Special Order" guns. This man died and his son could not find the paperwork for the Hornet. What a shame. It brought a fraction of what it should and will again bring a well below value price. My friend is going to list it with the story if it doesn't sell to a fellow locally, who is interested in it. The buyer can make up his mind as to what he wants to believe / pay. We think it should bring at least $2,000.00 but who knows. I'll update if it goes to Gunsinternational. I can't believe I forgot to take pictures! I took it out of the stock and everything!

Interesting, following the thread. Can’t wait for the pics

Same here.

There most likely won't be pics. My friend is at his hunting camp up here and will be heading home soon if not already. hammersleyfork is his user name @ gunsinternational , but it may never make it there.

A one-off gun? Never catalogued by Winchester or personally seen/heard of another. Keep us posted if it goes to GI

That would be a 10k plus gun with paperwork; no?

With paperwork, probably. I've talked to some Winchester guys, that actually worked at the factory or knew guys that worked there, and guys that knew Bert Hartman (someone that knows Winchesters). There were stories of people that worked there and some things they made for themselves. This one could be such a rifle. So, not only special orders should be considered here. One of Bobin's buddies, that I met, told me he's seen some things that he doesn't even like to mention here because people would not believe him.

Sbrmike: Could YOU describe what you saw once the barreled action was out of the stock?
Including - did the barrel have a "barrel bulge" for the rear sight, aluminum floorplate or not, etc etc etc.
Also looking forward to pictures.
Thanks for sharing your experience with this Rifle.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

That's really an unusual combo for sure! I have only one Win 22 Hornet. A minty Model 54. The idea of a Hornet in Featherweight Model 70 is wild... If established as Factory!

Anyway... Over at WCA, the Model 70 "attending physician" not Burt as he'd likely defer to Louis Luttrell as Model 70 Resident Guru. He's been my "go to guy"... 'IF' with referenced good pix not resolved here! Barrel nomenclature re chambering and showing "Featherweight" of particular interest to me!
Hope to learn more!
Best!
John

It was a typical Featherweight contour barrel with no dovetail for rear sight, no front sight ramp. Had the proper witness mark and 52 22H underside. No evidence of being turned down from a standard weight 22 Hornet, also top side rollmarks were perfect. This is not a one of from an employee. The previous owner, now deceased was well known for having "Special Order" pre 64 Win 70's. The son couldn't locate the paperwork for this one. The magazine box was pure 22 Hornet as was the bolt. It had excellent condition aluminum floorplate and triggerguard. I will try to call my friend but we are in the rural PA mountains and cell service is not all over up here. He should be heading home before too long and I can contact him there.

Thanks Mike! Your great & competent description convinces me! What a rarity!
Best!

I I have heard similar stories out of the S&W Factory from an acquaintance who has three relatives that have worked there for many decades.

Sbrmike: Thank you for all that additional and pertinent information.
What an unusual (and desirable!) Rifle that one is/would be - if in fact it was produced/manufactured at the old Winchester factory.
But... if... I understand your post correctly I would differ with you on the part you posted "this is NOT a one of from an employee". I think if indeed an employee of Winchester made that Rifle it was probably a "one of" and/or a special order. I have never seen or heard of another myself - and I been around!
Anyway after a close inspection by me and if said Rifle passes my inspection I would like to own it!
Please let us/me know if it does "get listed".
Thanks again for the additional info.
Long live the Riflemans Rifle.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I have been calling him but no answer. Probably still hunting up here and no cell service. I am not going to drive 25 miles through the mountains and ford a creek in winter to not find him. I left messages and he will call me when he gets service. The reason I say it is not an employee made one of one (lunch box gun) is because the former owner (deceased) had a few "Special Order" model 70's. The son can't find the paperwork on this one. I hope to hear something soon.

Following the thread

I finally have an update. My friend is going to send me some pictures. I will post when I get them. He is in no hurry to sell right now. Another very knowledgeable collector is interested in the gun but is in Florida for the winter. He is not wanting to sell until the Spring after that collector gets a look at it. He will listen to serious offers but is not wanting to sell at hunting rifle prices if it might end up being quite valuable.

Good stuff…..

Back around 1965 I saw a M70 Hornet in a pawnshop in Denver, asking $75. I passed.

Hind sight…!

DF

Not surprising, that’s very likely what a used Hornet sold for half a century ago

I paid $4,500.00 or so for a brand new Chevy Monte Carlo in 1975

Takes a bunch of today’s Brandon dollars for one 1965 dollar.

DF

OK, here is the latest update. No pics yet. The gun is For Sale. My friend was coming up here yesterday and bringing the gun. Unfortunately the friend he was going to stay with came down with the dreaded scourge of Covid. He will be coming up in the next two weeks or so. He told me to put the word out. The asking price is $2,000.00.
1. The barrel definitely looks factory made / marked / original.
2. The receiver has been reblued
3. The stock is a low comb, period correct, has been cut, has an approx 3/4" recoil pad on it. It might make 13-1/2" LOP with a 1 inch pad. He had an un-molested Featherweight stock for it. I do not know if that stock was period correct, low comb, Monte Carlo, aluminum buttplate, later composite, or if it is even offered.

If nothing else, it is a nice and very unique hunting rifle. If it was mine, I would find a 1952ish 22K Hornet to swap actions and make a gem.

If you want to buy it without seeing it contact me, otherwise wait for pics, but bottomline it is for sale for $2,000.00.

Mike,
Do you have the S/N of the gun?

I didn't write it down as my friend knows guns and it was in the proper range.

Sbrmike: In light of this "new" information "I am out" (like they say on Shark Tank!).
Thanks for your efforts/help.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
P.S.: I mean WHO needs a recoil pad on a 22 Hornet???

I here ya. Someone was wanting a muzzle brake for their 350 Legend! I heard that they kick lighter than a 223? It isnt a terrible price for a shooter Hornet.

A fwt hornet makes all the sense in the world to me, but there's just so many questions. Can he text pics? Like ak said, real, 10k plus, id say so. Not original, sure, big dump in value, but.... I dunno, id like to see something.

I’m with these guys would love pics

Finally I have some pics. These are the best I could do. The barrel looks perfect to the naked eye. The pics show scratches, gouges, shadows etc. but there is not a stray mark on the barrel. The gun is back in the "I am going to hold onto it for awhile" status, but here are the pics of it to enjoy, criticize, drool, whatever.

More pics. A lot are the same because I could not get the entire rollmark focused clearly. I wanted the entire rollmark to be seen as it is perfect; not as my pics show. I can get the Hornet, Featherweight, and the Winchester markings but can't get them all focused at the same time. I didn't take pictures of the stock as it has a pad anyway.

That sure is something! Never seen one of them before.

Thank You

Pretty neat, did the bolt handle have a hole in it?

No hole in the bolt knob and I kind of doubt there is a Hornet made with a hole in the bolt knob.