Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles 6.5 Creedmor or 308 Win.?

So did they give you one hole groups? I've got superformance, h4350, rl-16 and stabill 6.5 what would you try first.? And yeah happy holidays..
Mb

That factory stuff shoots great.

I shoot 4350, both H and IMR, with the other bullets I've loaded. Nothing against the other powders you mentioned, I simply haven't gone outside of the 4350 family much at all.

BSA,

Wow, that .496 ballistic coefficient of that 175 grain smk is abysmal at best. From a 26" barrel, the velocity of your handload is mediocre as well. Ive literally spelled out to you, what powder gives max velocity in the 308. Ive been seeking the 308 max for over a decade, essentially loading/testing every flavor of 200 grain hunting bullet ever made. To put this in perspective, a silly 200 grain hot cor flat base spitzer has a .556 BC!

Honestly BSA, you're a very devoted handloader and precision shooter. I'm certain that you, over anyone else, should be able to extract much more long range performance from the 308, before you tip your hat to the 6.5 creed. You're not even devoted to giving the 308 winchester a fair handshake. You sht on the 308 all the time, in favor of the 30-06. I've even seen you opine that a 200 grain bullet is too long for the 308?

You can fix this stubborn ignorance if you want to do the work.

You cannot deny the massive, decades long library of accomplishments from the 308 winchester. It's truly bizarre, that less case capacity and a few degrees difference in shoulder angle, would matter that much. I think it's marketing rubbish at best. A precision barrel with match chamber dimensions, and proper rifling, there's really no 6.5 creed advantage. Almost all serious barrel makers have decades of history, building 308 barrels.

Does your 308 even have a 1:10" barrel? Wasn't that model a 1:12" barrel? Non of this silly business 1:11" tikka 1:12" winchester. As much shopping as you do, the 1:10" 308's are so common, you could literally sleep-walk into one for purchase. Common dude!

Serious guys that are shooting lots of 308 at extended range, aren't using silly, low bc rubbish. Anyhow, they're in stock and available if you want to do the work:

FWIW I know a National Champion FTR shooter who uses the 215 grain Bergers.

I'd guess out of the longer barrels they aren't exactly slow either are they Mike?

Mike,
Back in 2002-2005, I had lived on Ft Richardson Alaska. The old 425 beluga ave military housing has long since been torn down.

Our 501st neighbor won the sniper combat challenge in 2002 and 2004.

It was filmed on outdoor life network, so we got to watch it. Nato forces from other nations competed. Our entire housing complex rooted for him like it was NFL football! He deployed alot. When I wasn't deployed, I snow-blowed the entire unit and would clean snow off and move the spouses cars and shovel steps/porches. He thanked me when he'd get back, and we'd look over couple of his rifles. Yep......that 7.62 Nato was the bread n butter rifle.

I can't belive the level of bllsht these 6.5 caliber, pipe-dream gun authors have puked in the gun magazines. Do these fkn idiots know where the .308 has been?

I'll confirm Thursday if I remember to ask, but I'd guess 2550 FPS. They do arc up much higher than a 155 at 3010 FPS, easy to miss the trace at first.

Thanks Mike. Appreciate it. Even 2550 isn't exactly slow for such a slippery bullet.

I'm certainly not there yet, but I have friends who regularly win big matches with Palma rifles shooting against the any/any rifles. A lot to be said for mastering one bullet at one speed exclusively with regards to wind. I've been squadded with them and seen it in action.

Mainer,

The Speer BC for that bullet is bullshit.

M

I should mention the Berger 144 in 6.5 has a G7 BC of .336.

I do hunt here a lot with my 6.5-06 for our little Coues deer, but I do not consider the 6.5 as magical as many here...

Probably a pretty nice shooting package though. If I remember right, it's darned near like my P64 06. The 6.5 version would likely be pretty nice.

It definitely is, but everything drifts in the wind. I'm just not in the same camp as one prolific poster here who once proclaimed " A 1 moa target at any range, in any wind is a cake walk for any of my 6.5 Creedmoors" ... grin.

I have a 6.5-06, perfect for whitetail in central Texas

They do work well don't they? Mine will have new barrel on it shortly.

6.5 Kreed' 147 ELD-M Factory Fodder,wears a .697 G1 BC. I hear good thangs,though roll my own. Hint.

Physics reliably hurts tender feelers. Hint................

Your enthusiasm is noted. Can't imagine it "wears" that "exciting" BC number for long though with such a leisurely launch speed. I've had a Physics class or three... and learned thangs.

I squirt 'em at 2700fps+,from more than a few rifles so chambered,with less than zero Emotional attachment or Imagination. The beauty of BC,is that advantages start at the muzzle and only get better,as they exit and head down range. That,in non lineal fashion. Hint.

Spent Primers Are THE Supreme Tutorial and you "get" to read about it. Hint.

Here...now you can say you've "seen" one,which makes this a very BIG Day,for someone like you. Hint.





Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will always be best served by asking questions,raher than giving"answers". Hint.

Bless your heart for trying though. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

A picture of a cartridge... how cool as that!

What is the BC of your 147 grain bullet at the 175 yard line?

You CLUELESS Droolers are a fhuqking hoot! Hint.

Said melding,is "only" Supersonic to 1500yds++,in this morning's atmosphere. Hint.



Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will always be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". Hint.

Bless your heart for trying though. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............