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The Oldsmobile 403 has a fantastic (over square) Bore & stroke ratio for performance... 4.351 bore, 3.385 stroke... but the blocks and cranks were weaker than schit (typical GM stunt)... i've got one in my 79 Trans am, i upgraded to a nodular "N" crank, main studs and straps and a big oil pump... ported W-31 heads, Hi-rise intake, headers & hot cam... makes 425 ft lbs @ the rear wheels... mid range is fantastic, wants to rev like a 302, Wails like a Banshee... but every time the tach gets above 5500 RPM i get a qweezy feeling in my stomach... it's holding up so far... lol IIRC, if the hood scoop decal on a Trans Am said "6.6 L," it had the Olds engine and if the decal on the scoop said "6.6 T/A," it had a Pontiac 400 in it. Am I right?? Just want to stress my memory a bit. I had a 76 with the Pontiac 400 in it. I drove the everlovin' s hit outa that car. I think the 78/79 were olds 403 with an auto and the Pontiac 400 with the manual trans. you are partly right... the 403/auto combo was a "California Only" thing until 79 when all automatic equipped 6.6's were 403's... in 77 i think? the 185 HP version of the 400 Poncho were automatic only, while W72 200 HP version were 4 speed only... i know for fact in 78 the 185 HP's were auto only, while the now 220 HP W72 was available with auto or 4 speed... in 79 the W72 400's were only available as 4 speeds, the 185 HP version 400 was gone, (replaced by the 403 Olds)... hope that clears this GM ClusterPhuqk Up, lol
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Great little engine... odd fire.. was kinda odd, but made great Jeep motors and Kenny Belle made some good horsepower from them Was the 231 an “odd-fire”, or just the earlier 225 version?? Oh, good point, it was the 225, I believe the 231 was even fire. My dad put a 198 in a military jeep in the 1960's After a quick read, sounds like the EARLY 231’s were odd fire, and then became “even fire” in the mid to late 70’s.. even fires held up better IMO...
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Seems like to be "best" it has to have been in use for a very long time, reliable, and has been upgraded in its basic form for many years . The small block chevy and all its derivatives have met that definition for longer than just about any engine IMO. There have been a lot of great engines named on this thread but none have had the longevity of the small block chevy.
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For running forever with minimal maintenance, the Toyota 2UZFE 4.7 V8. They run so smooth you can hardly tell they are running. You wont win any races, but you will win in the long run. I've seen many of them with over 250,000 miles on them that have only had the timing belt changed a couple times, oil/filter changes, and are still going strong.
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The Oldsmobile 403 has a fantastic (over square) Bore & stroke ratio for performance... 4.351 bore, 3.385 stroke... but the blocks and cranks were weaker than schit (typical GM stunt)... i've got one in my 79 Trans am, i upgraded to a nodular "N" crank, main studs and straps and a big oil pump... ported W-31 heads, Hi-rise intake, headers & hot cam... makes 425 ft lbs @ the rear wheels... mid range is fantastic, wants to rev like a 302, Wails like a Banshee... but every time the tach gets above 5500 RPM i get a qweezy feeling in my stomach... it's holding up so far... lol IIRC, if the hood scoop decal on a Trans Am said "6.6 L," it had the Olds engine and if the decal on the scoop said "6.6 T/A," it had a Pontiac 400 in it. Am I right?? Just want to stress my memory a bit. I had a 76 with the Pontiac 400 in it. I drove the everlovin' s hit outa that car. I think the 78/79 were olds 403 with an auto and the Pontiac 400 with the manual trans. you are partly right... the 403/auto combo was a "California Only" thing until 79 when all automatic equipped 6.6's were 403's... in 77 i think? the 185 HP version of the 400 Poncho were automatic only, while W72 200 HP version were 4 speed only... i know for fact in 78 the 185 HP's were auto only, while the now 220 HP W72 was available with auto or 4 speed... in 79 the W72 400's were only available as 4 speeds, the 185 HP version 400 was gone, (replaced by the 403 Olds)... hope that clears this GM ClusterPhuqk Up, lol Brings back memories, had a 78 Formula W72, 4 speed. With headers, true duals, 1.65 rockers, and a tune it was pretty quick for a low compression 400. Clutch was really heavy, but fun car.
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Toyota 4.7...nothing can compare, Youtube has documented stories on two 'Million Mile Tundras', both oilfield hotshot trucks.
Diesel? Cat D13000 series, used in gensets, the old D8 2U series dozers, marine engines. I personally maintained at least two that had 30,000 hours on them...that is the equivalent of 1,800,000 miles on them without overhaul.
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Lister diesel... will run non stop for years True story...As long as you have enough oil.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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Had a lot of trouble cracking precups in those old 2Us.
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Never had a Mazda, but I've been told the rotary engines run like striped-ass apes...the higher they wind the more they wanna go. I understand overhauls are a problem, though. My wife road raced a Mazda with a stock engine but rebuilt to overcome the early rotary overheating problem. The engine builder said that if the over rev buzzer ever went off (in other words quit buzzing) to down shift. Unbelievable rev ability, but incredibly small brakes. She did a complete brake job every Saturday night after the the 1st qualifying session.
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Seems like to be "best" it has to have been in use for a very long time, reliable, and has been upgraded in its basic form for many years . The small block chevy and all its derivatives have met that definition for longer than just about any engine IMO. There have been a lot of great engines named on this thread but none have had the longevity of the small block chevy. yep, seen a show once talkin' bout how many (100 million?) or some such were made... got the original 265 in my 55 Bel Air sport coupe, still runs good... like to build an L79 327 (350 HP) for it... cant bring myself to rip that old mouse outta' there......
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Had a lot of trouble cracking precups in those old 2Us. True enough, invariably number 2 and number 4 and number 6 on the dozers, when pulling hard on a ripper or a can going downhill, an air bubble would form in all three heads and get trapped frying the pre cup.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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The Oldsmobile 403 has a fantastic (over square) Bore & stroke ratio for performance... 4.351 bore, 3.385 stroke... but the blocks and cranks were weaker than schit (typical GM stunt)... i've got one in my 79 Trans am, i upgraded to a nodular "N" crank, main studs and straps and a big oil pump... ported W-31 heads, Hi-rise intake, headers & hot cam... makes 425 ft lbs @ the rear wheels... mid range is fantastic, wants to rev like a 302, Wails like a Banshee... but every time the tach gets above 5500 RPM i get a qweezy feeling in my stomach... it's holding up so far... lol IIRC, if the hood scoop decal on a Trans Am said "6.6 L," it had the Olds engine and if the decal on the scoop said "6.6 T/A," it had a Pontiac 400 in it. Am I right?? Just want to stress my memory a bit. I had a 76 with the Pontiac 400 in it. I drove the everlovin' s hit outa that car. I think the 78/79 were olds 403 with an auto and the Pontiac 400 with the manual trans. you are partly right... the 403/auto combo was a "California Only" thing until 79 when all automatic equipped 6.6's were 403's... in 77 i think? the 185 HP version of the 400 Poncho were automatic only, while W72 200 HP version were 4 speed only... i know for fact in 78 the 185 HP's were auto only, while the now 220 HP W72 was available with auto or 4 speed... in 79 the W72 400's were only available as 4 speeds, the 185 HP version 400 was gone, (replaced by the 403 Olds)... hope that clears this GM ClusterPhuqk Up, lol Brings back memories, had a 78 Formula W72, 4 speed. With headers, true duals, 1.65 rockers, and a tune it was pretty quick for a low compression 400. Clutch was really heavy, but fun car. Yep... Them W72's actually made 260-270 HP stock as they were tested by the NHRA for stock class drag racing back in the day... didn't take much to bump em over 300
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My initial thought was the 350 Chevy, the Toyota 22R, and the Ford 7.3 Diesel.
Each is great for its intended use.
I have owned them all and the engines ran forever. Kids and jobs motivated me to sell them-more room for car seats, etc.
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Seems like to be "best" it has to have been in use for a very long time, reliable, and has been upgraded in its basic form for many years . The small block chevy and all its derivatives have met that definition for longer than just about any engine IMO. There have been a lot of great engines named on this thread but none have had the longevity of the small block chevy. yep, seen a show once talkin' bout how many (100 million?) or some such were made... got the original 265 in my 55 Bel Air sport coupe, still runs good... like to build an L79 327 (350 HP) for it... cant bring myself to rip that old mouse outta' there...... I learned some good stuff about other engines in this thread - and thanks for that - but my thinking runs with these above posts. Have run every production version of the SBs (and the BBs as well) and the 327 seems to have been the best overall. The L79 327/350 that 7mm Loco would like was what came in the 1967 Corvette. I do seem to like it best.
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Seems like to be "best" it has to have been in use for a very long time, reliable, and has been upgraded in its basic form for many years . The small block chevy and all its derivatives have met that definition for longer than just about any engine IMO. There have been a lot of great engines named on this thread but none have had the longevity of the small block chevy. yep, seen a show once talkin' bout how many (100 million?) or some such were made... got the original 265 in my 55 Bel Air sport coupe, still runs good... like to build an L79 327 (350 HP) for it... cant bring myself to rip that old mouse outta' there...... I learned some good stuff about other engines in this thread - and thanks for that - but my thinking runs with these above posts. Have run every production version of the SBs (and the BBs as well) and the 327 seems to have been the best overall. The L79 327/350 that 7mm Loco would like was what came in the 1967 Corvette. I do seem to like it best. You prefer 327 large or small journal?
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The 318 seemed to outlast anything it was ever installed in. That's because Chrysler's bodies were POSs when the 318 was living. It weren't really a bad engine, though...just nothing remarkable. Exactly, damn near any engine would out last the fookin chrysler wrapping paper it came in.
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