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I'll take up bocce before I'll use another Hornady product.
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"I just seem to set myself in situations where having my scope set at a 200 yard zero has worked. In fact I've yet to shoot an elk past 225-30 long steps (can't remember exactly, just remember it was over 250 steps..." Bill, I think you should load some 165 PT's for your .308 and sleep on it. I think you'll feel better in the morning.  OK I did. Now I feel better. 175 gr ABLR arriving today 
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Our group used my Mashburn with 175 ABLRs this year for two bulls and a cow. Worked great, broke bone and did what a good bullet should in my book.
Have had excellent results with the 147 ELD and 212 ELD X in the past.
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I must be the only guy on the planet that shoots elk at distances that don't require dialing. Not that I'm against longer ranges, I just seem to set myself in situations where having my scope set at a 200 yard zero has worked. In fact I've yet to shoot an elk past 225-30 long steps (can't remember exactly, just remember it was over 250 steps....). Really like this statement. Farthest elk I have ever shot was 275 yards. This year was 170 yards. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/En99YtY.jpg) 155gr LRX out of a 270 WCF 1:8 twist. That must make me a Fudd, since I don't actively go out hunting to see how far I can kill an animal. But my freezer is happy.
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I'll take up bocce before I'll use another Hornady product. Due performance or philosophical differences with management?
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I must be the only guy on the planet that shoots elk at distances that don't require dialing. Not that I'm against longer ranges, I just seem to set myself in situations where having my scope set at a 200 yard zero has worked. In fact I've yet to shoot an elk past 225-30 long steps (can't remember exactly, just remember it was over 250 steps....). Really like this statement. Farthest elk I have ever shot was 275 yards. This year was 170 yards. 155gr LRX out of a 270 WCF 1:8 twist. That must make me a Fudd, since I don't actively go out hunting to see how far I can kill an animal. But my freezer is happy. If you keep at it, eventually a longer shot will come along!
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The problem with 75gr Amax/eld-m is that ur probably gonna push them too hard for what they do out of that 223ai. ... It's worth noting that those rounds I mentioned were all fireforming loads. They would have been impacting at less than a normal factory .223. I'd not seen results like that in either previous forming or formed loads.
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Shot a bull elk in October with 6.5CM and 143 ELD-X reloaded to factory specs (2700fps) - not impressed. First shot (200yds broadside) right in the pocket, second shot (200yds broadside bull moving) a bit back but still in the vitals, third shot hit rear leg at knee joint as bull was getting the hell out of there (300yds and moving). Caught up with him 1/2 hour later - shot him head on in the neck/front shoulder (50 yards through the timber) junction and he ran off again. Found again in the timber and shot him 2 more time (broadside) in the chest from 50 yards before he finally dropped. 4 bullets in the chest, 1 in the front and 1 in the hind knee. Not sure if it was the bullets or not enough gun. Bulls that I have shot in the past with 30-06 and good old 180 Interlocks go from 10 to 50 yards and drop dead. Dang, thanks for the report even though it was poor. After reading that, it makes me glad I steered away from the 143 ELD-X even though they shot great in my new 6.5CM. I did use the CM on a couple animals this fall, but went with the clunky old 125 grain NPT and they performed did great.
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All these new wizzbang bullet failures make me appreciate my old fudd Nosler partitions.....
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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150 ELDX out of our 7mm-08s
162 ELDX out of our 7mm Rem Mags
Lots of deer, lots of elk, even a couple of antelope.
Great results at a wide variety of distances.
You’ve all seen the photos, so I will forbear.
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My concerns started with reading about "clickers" although I have only shot factory rounds up to this point. We shall see how that turns out.
Then there is the advertised velocity of 3000 fps from a 24" barrel with factory loads. I have never heard anyone getting that velocity. I have a Bartlein 26" barrel and cannot do 3000 fps. Yep, all barrels are different, but who is getting 3000 fps from factory 175 ELD X in a 7 PRC?
And now I am dealing with an entrance hole that looks like an exit with no penetration on a cow Elk at 247 yards.
I am starting to think Hornady is pissing on our legs and telling us it raining.
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I must be the only guy on the planet that shoots elk at distances that don't require dialing. Not that I'm against longer ranges, I just seem to set myself in situations where having my scope set at a 200 yard zero has worked. In fact I've yet to shoot an elk past 225-30 long steps (can't remember exactly, just remember it was over 250 steps....). Really like this statement. Farthest elk I have ever shot was 275 yards. This year was 170 yards. 155gr LRX out of a 270 WCF 1:8 twist. That must make me a Fudd, since I don't actively go out hunting to see how far I can kill an animal. But my freezer is happy. There's not a darn thing wrong with private, low land ranch hunts. I would, and have done them before, though not for elk. I am actually a touch envious . I don't however think your message is a fair point to make concerning how the vast majority of North American elk hunters do their thing. If you're willing to pass on 300+ yard shots on heavily pressured public land elk due to your own ethics, then good on ya. I am not in a general sense, and won't apologize for it. I should mention though that all but 2-3 of my elk have been sub 300 yards, but I sure was glad I had the ability to stretch it out further those few times. Lots of people shouldn't be shooting at elk at 100 yards let alone 300+ due to their (lack of) shooting ability, but that is a completely different discussion.
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The 7mm Nosler 175 partition has a bc of .519, not to bad and will surely not break up, even at very close range. Wish they would make a 175 Accubond, that would be even more better..... 
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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No offense to anyone here, but they are designed to be long range bullets and if you think the dinky “Interlock” is going to hold them together when driven at higher end speeds it just isn’t going to be good. Slow them down to around 2700 start speed and they act excellent near and far.
I agree they “should” work relatively close out of their chosen cartridge (7 PRC) but they can be brutal.
I think any thin jacketed bullet like this is going to have intermittent results, cut vs button barrels, numbers of grooves, etc all come into place as well. Thin jackets in some cut barrels could be weakened to the point they hang together in flight but turn to VMaxs on impact. It’s not totally the bullets fault, we ask for a lot from them.
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No offense to anyone here, but they are designed to be long range bullets and if you think the dinky “Interlock” is going to hold them together when driven at higher end speeds it just isn’t going to be good. Slow them down to around 2700 start speed and they act excellent near and far.
I agree they “should” work relatively close out of their chosen cartridge (7 PRC) but they can be brutal.
I think any thin jacketed bullet like this is going to have intermittent results, cut vs button barrels, numbers of grooves, etc all come into place as well. Thin jackets in some cut barrels could be weakened to the point they hang together in flight but turn to VMaxs on impact. It’s not totally the bullets fault, we ask for a lot from them. Good post. Know well the characteristics of the bullet you're sending and how they interelate with the idiosyncracies of the situation and you'll likely be pleased with the results.
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The 7mm Nosler 175 partition has a bc of .519, not to bad and will surely not break up, even at very close range. Wish they would make a 175 Accubond, that would be even more better..... I shot 175 NP out of 7mm RM and WM many years back. They did open up a little better than the 338 NP's I ran around the same era, but unless you ran them through something substantial, they had a tendency to drill a pencil hole, especially for broadside chest shots at lower velocities. I can say that if you need a lot of penetration for oblique angle shots at pretty large game, the 175 .284 NP is you're huckleberry. I don't have as much experience with the AB and other, similar bonded designs, but what I do has been positive and it is the direction I'd go if I wasn't happy with more common cup and core designs.
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There used to be someone on here, maybe BobinNH, that used to say, I don't want a bullet that works when everything goes right, I want one that works when things go wrong.
Maybe a bit of wisdom there.
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According to Nosler the partition & Accubond have a minimum expansion velocity of 1800 fps. With a 7 mag pushing a 175 partition at 2950 you are good to 750 yds.
A 160 accubond will get you to 850 yds... that covers a lot of ground
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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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According to Nosler the partition & Accubond have a minimum expansion velocity of 1800 fps. With a 7 mag pushing a 175 partition at 2950 you are good to 750 yds.
A 160 accubond will get you to 850 yds... that covers a lot of ground Amen.....the partition and accubond are never a bad choice, ever.
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There used to be someone on here, maybe BobinNH, that used to say, I don't want a bullet that works when everything goes right, I want one that works when things go wrong.
Maybe a bit of wisdom there. Bob Hagel I bet.
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