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Kingspan make fantastic (IMP) insulated metal panels ... We've used them for a great number of projects over the years for our wall and roof panels, before Kingspan, there were API panels back in the early 2000's, the original "sandwich panels" as we call them in the field.. simply because of the similarity to the ice cream sandwich.... These days we have several mfg's who make the IMP (Insulated Metal Panels) IE sandwhich panels ... One of the better ones is MTL-Span ... I'm an mfg authorized installer for MTL-Span on Alaska's military bases, the USACE JBER military base where we have done $80 mil projects back in 2014-2016 .. And the Eielson AFB where we built the Hangars for thr F-35 Lightning 2 fighter jets, My current Federally funded project just completed was for the FAA, a small $3mil building that used the "R-Seal" wall and roof insulated panels that did not have the metal outer layers as per KingSpan & MTL-Span, R-Seal is simply a foam panel that is installed on the steel wall girts & roof purlins of building then a metal siding "skin" is layered on top ..... Really cool panels as they are feather light and only require two guys to install since they don't have the metal layers on both sides to add mass weight R-Seal panels are made in Washington and if any of you need more info I can provide you info for direct contact .... Anyway, the gist of this post is ... We had some 35 ft 8 inch long x 5" thick 36R roof panels left over after completion of the roofing, I notified the Owner/FAA and they wanted nothing to do with the extra roof panels and left it up to the contractor to remove all extra materials from the site, so I was stuck with them .... I chopped them up into equal lengths of 8 ft 10 3/4" .... All in all with drops & rips I have about 65 LF of (8' 10 3/4" height) wall coverage .... My shooting cabin walls/insulation for my 1k+ shooting range !!!! Yayy !
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Kingspan make fantastic (IMP) insulated metal panels ... We've used them for a great number of projects over the years for our wall and roof panels, before Kingspan, there were API panels back in the early 2000's, the original "sandwich panels" as we call them in the field.. simply because of the similarity to the ice cream sandwich.... These days we have several mfg's who make the IMP (Insulated Metal Panels) IE sandwhich panels ... One of the better ones is MTL-Span ... I'm an mfg authorized installer for MTL-Span on Alaska's military bases, the USACE JBER military base where we have done $80 mil projects back in 2014-2016 .. And the Eielson AFB where we built the Hangars for thr F-35 Lightning 2 fighter jets, My current Federally funded project just completed was for the FAA, a small $3mil building that used the "R-Seal" wall and roof insulated panels that did not have the metal outer layers as per KingSpan & MTL-Span, R-Seal is simply a foam panel that is installed on the steel wall girts & roof purlins of building then a metal siding "skin" is layered on top ..... Really cool panels as they are feather light and only require two guys to install since they don't have the metal layers on both sides to add mass weight R-Seal panels are made in Washington and if any of you need more info I can provide you info for direct contact .... Anyway, the gist of this post is ... We had some 35 ft 8 inch long x 5" thick 36R roof panels left over after completion of the roofing, I notified the Owner/FAA and they wanted nothing to do with the extra roof panels and left it up to the contractor to remove all extra materials from the site, so I was stuck with them .... I chopped them up into equal lengths of 8 ft 10 3/4" .... All in all with drops & rips I have about 65 LF of (8' 10 3/4" height) wall coverage .... My shooting cabin walls/insulation for my 1k+ shooting range !!!! Yayy ! Very slick! Not a product I know much about... Thank you for typing all that out and sharing the pics. I was working on a HDPE SIP... foam filled. Slightly similar to Kingspan... kinda VERY STRUCTURAL and it would take a nail/screw either side... so siding and drywall was a piece of cake after the layup... https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z63VR9k5iCiHaJ2h9
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CashisKing: Thank you very much for the quick comeback. I am impressed with that price and that building. Thanks again - gets me thinking/planning. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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Here is a Virginia company that manufactures panels: https://thermasteelinc.com/
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That's a hell of a write up, Swamp. Is there a particular panel that would be appropriate for something like Cash is building?
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If you work 40 hrs/wk: at 5% inflation and after 5 years, you need a 28% pay raise or to work 44 more hours (*one full extra week* per month+) to make up the difference.
This is inflation
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I am in the middle of a shipping container build. I will probably be more per square feet and much smaller. An easy quick build would be interesting. My primary concerns were easy of winterization and keeping vermin out.
I would be interested in watching one go together.
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Wife and I have a 600 s/f cabin as a rec place. She wants to sell the house in town and move in there. I told her one of us would be found dead within a month.
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Wife and I have a 600 s/f cabin as a rec place. She wants to sell the house in town and move in there. I told her one of us would be found dead within a month. Agree! Crime seen would be at the bathroom
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Shoulda done metal exterior , Brother Bob
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That's a hell of a write up, Swamp. Is there a particular panel that would be appropriate for something like Cash is building? it depends on his budget and time Kingspan & MTL Span type of panels are expensive & require a framed shell to install the panels on, are heavy and can't be done solo, but once installed, you have very high R value insulated walls with exterior siding completed at the same time R-Seal panels are considerably cheaper, very light and extremely simple to install but also require a framed building shell to attach to, then you need to cover with siding, usually light gauge metal siding, these type of panels are ideal for the do-it-yourselfer with limited or no help, the R value is very high and all seams are taped with the included 3M sticky flap on each panel, and rolls of tape are provided, so you get a vapor and water barrier at the same time the SIP (Structural Insulated Panels) can be assembled as the building frame itself where you get an insulated building when done, will still need to install siding, are costly, can be heavy depending on length/size, would be difficult to work with solo, there are several different types of SIP panels on the market, most need an engineer to draw up building plans in order to build these panels for a Lego block type of installation
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TOO much window for me, but I do like what I can see!
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If you work 40 hrs/wk: at 5% inflation and after 5 years, you need a 28% pay raise or to work 44 more hours (*one full extra week* per month+) to make up the difference.
This is inflation
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Do I think there is a market for that? Hell yes. As I was contemplating what retirement would look like for me a few years ago, one of my options was to buy a parcel in the mountain West and have a small summer home on it. That cabin would have been very appealing as long as it had a restroom. At times too, I considered having something like that on my 10 acre camp in MS. With the latest run in the real estate market, I had to reshuffle my deck in a way that something like that doesn't fit in, but things change, and that could very well fit in again.
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Where's the reloading bench, gun safe, powder/primer magazine, etc.???? Does it come with a workshop, a twin post lift, and a couple of acres to store projects in progress? Mr. Sanford, this kit is obviously not for you.
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Thanks... Interesting concept. Looks to be a one pound EPS product (without chasing all the specs).
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That's a hell of a write up, Swamp. Is there a particular panel that would be appropriate for something like Cash is building? it depends on his budget and time Kingspan & MTL Span type of panels are expensive & require a framed shell to install the panels on, are heavy and can't be done solo, but once installed, you have very high R value insulated walls with exterior siding completed at the same time R-Seal panels are considerably cheaper, very light and extremely simple to install but also require a framed building shell to attach to, then you need to cover with siding, usually light gauge metal siding, these type of panels are ideal for the do-it-yourselfer with limited or no help, the R value is very high and all seams are taped with the included 3M sticky flap on each panel, and rolls of tape are provided, so you get a vapor and water barrier at the same time the SIP (Structural Insulated Panels) can be assembled as the building frame itself where you get an insulated building when done, will still need to install siding, are costly, can be heavy depending on length/size, would be difficult to work with solo, there are several different types of SIP panels on the market, most need an engineer to draw up building plans in order to build these panels for a Lego block type of installation Swamplord... It would be interesting to track some of what you are doing with a picture essay. SIPs are a very smart way to build things IMHO vs. traditional stick... 99% because of the labor factor drama. Same thing as robots taking over auto-making... Or "Flippy" flipping hamburgers. The problem (as I see it) with SIPs is the detailing of raceways... plumbing etc. That stuff requires a level of complex pre-engineering... or at the very least... lots of pre-thinking.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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I can probably figure out a "no frame required" method to use those SIPs. (i.e. drop me a PM or phone number if you like). Looks to be 3+ pound EPS. Very expensive product... EXCELLENT SCORE!
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Finally getting around to building these 20x20 Cottages... Summer beams built today...
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