Both seen on ammoseek. One or the other usually near the top for lowest ammo prices. Neither rated very well for shipping cost.
I recommend folks keep a really close eye on them. I could stop here, but,,,,,,,,,,, fugg 'em.
I think they are low down bait & switch pieces of schit. Showing estimated shipping cost & when check out is nearly complete the ship cost goes from ~12 bucks to crazy stuff like 170 or $180.
I've seen others do similar, but so far these 2 are so far the worst I've seen.
LG Outdoors
Foundry Outdoors
BEWARE!!