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I shoot deer at what I consider long range, 500+yds on a regular basis. The fact is, very few people if any can out shoot me when I'm shooting at 100yds and their shooting at 500yds. Don't let facts get in the way of a good story, range matters.

It's their tag, let em do as they wish. Around the house on our own farms when I'm shooting does and coyotes, I'll stretch my rifles legs a bit. I tend to hold shoulder. Never center mass on deer. Don't blink an eye to shoot at a doe at 500 or so. 600 is an absolute bomb, I don't care what anybody says. Now if it's an out of state deal or an outfitted hunt, I want to be inside 300. 200 is better. I run around with the magnums here in western oklahoma but when I'm out of state, I usually take a simple 06, 280, 284, whatever. Hate to save up 10 years of points to shoot a critter in the azz and lose it. I got the rifle, scope, shoot all the time out to 6, but you don't have a bench or sand bags in the field. Most of the time, those shots are "right now" too. But hey, each to their own.

And what Shrap said about a million is 20 and a billion is 40. Lot of truth to that.

that`s a very good statement and true , i have seen these things mostly by residents with poor shooting who live in their own state , most non-residents who go hunt in other states are very prepared and have practiced with their firearm , muzzle loader or archery equipment .

Me shooting that target at 300 yards with my M1917, all heart lol

Putting marks on someone else's target and saying you shot the heart is pretty lame.
Cat

It was A joke Kittycat, get a life will ya! lol

Crap like that never comes off as a joke when people know who you really are
Cat

Says the biggest know-it-all blowhard on AO!

Here comes the Posse!

I thought things were bad and then here comes Coyote 10. Can't wait to see who can top him?

The only posse after you is in your mind.
Cat

could be he is sighted in for max. point blank range on aa 6" target, all my mid range rifles that I don't dial are sighted in 2.75" high at 100, its the easy way to hit a deer's shoulder out to 400

That target was on our 100 yard range. The guy was shooting from the bench, off of sand bags.

I was shooting my girlfriends new to her 243 win that day.


Then I went over to the 400 yard range. Why not just get a scope wtih the appropriate reticle, when shooting the distance?? This set it high and hope you are in the vitals is just as bad as guessing.


If you are planning on shooting 400 yards, you might as well shoot at 400 yards and confirm your equipment.

Shooting a 6-7" group off of a bench qualifies a guy to shoot out to 400 yards because he has his sights adjusted high for MPBR? I guess that is the mentality of some hunters these days and days way past us.

I for damn sure would not want to be responsible for the kind of carnage that guy does in the field.

Ya sure Kittycat, you know exactly who I am talking about. I can even post threads of your posse stalking me here as was done on CGN until they got me banned, but I will not waste my time.

You're an idiot, a cowardly internet bully, and a liar, so GFY.

Happy New Year

Sometimes you hunt areas where you could be shooting 50 yards or 450 and never know where the game will show up, if your not shooting 500+ not much use to dial. Oh BTW while your showing targets.
3 shots at 750 yards, shot prone off a bipod
https://imgur.com/x7as2zg
It ain't hard
And also it's not guessing, +3" at 100 with most modern cartridges =
100 yards, hold lower shoulder,
200 yards hold mid shoulder,
300 yards hold upper shoulder
400 yards hold on hairline

Run the numbers and prove me wrong

Scotty;
Good morning or perhaps afternoon already where you're out on a raid, regardless I trust that Christmas was a good one for you and you're well.

Thanks for your reply sir, I agree with your thoughts on the subject completely.

As many know, I've been involved in teaching the BC Hunter Safety course at our gun club for 30+ years and the subject of "how far can I shoot and/or how far is it ethical to shoot" comes up pretty much every year.

The answer I've come up with is that if the shooter can hit a standard paper plate at that distance each time and every time, that's how far they're able to shoot at game. I'll stipulate too that they need to hit the plate from the chosen shooting position if it's a firearm.

The theory being paper plates are reasonably inexpensive and available targets and don't wreck arrows that badly either, so whether the new hunter is going out with a bow, in a shotgun zone, a muzzle loader, great grandpa's ancient .303 LE or something newer, they have a way to measure their ability.

That said, when a buddy and I used to run the center fire rifle shoot at the same club's annual Turkey Shoot, when we put up archery targets such as bsa1917 showed and had offhand matches, the results were both educational and somewhat dreadful at the same time. This was folks who had enough confidence in their abilities to come and compete, some reasonably serious competitors at that.

My friend and I still talk about how abysmal most folks were shooting from standing, unsupported positions.

Some respondents have mentioned shots at game that was spooked or at least aware of the hunter and I believe that's definitely a factor as well or surely can often be.

Usually if we stretch the distance to the target, there's a better chance of it being relaxed and unaware of us which should be a plus I'd think.

Of course other than getting the distance ranged correctly, the wind will become more of a factor out there too, so it's a mixed blessing.

Thanks again for your reply and all the best in the New Year.

Dwayne

What do folks think about coyotes being gunned at beyond admitted abilities, simply because they're coyotes?

I've come across several people over the years who seemingly have a conscious limit to shots they'll take on deer or elk, but wail away at coyotes without any regard to their shooting ability, simply because it is 'just a coyote'.

Taking a 1000 yard shot by just aiming 10 feet high is a surefire way to educate a coyote, but that is a different discussion.

T Inman;
Good afternoon my cyber friend, I trust you had a good Christmas wherever you spent it and that you're well.

While I'm loath and somewhat ashamed to admit it T, I would have been in the camp of folks shooting too far at coyotes, simply because they were coyotes and I wanted them gone.

In the late '80's when we started hunting coyotes to sell the hides to a local trapper, I amended my ways because I wanted to retrieve it and emphatically didn't want to educate them.

As you mention, we could have another discussion on educating coyotes for sure.

Nowadays I might stretch my shots a wee bit further with a coyote, but part of the rationale there is that a peripheral hit with a .223" varmint bullet - 60gr HP in a .223 and 55gr Ballistic Tip in an old school 1:14 .22-.250AI - will be fatal, usually instantly fatal from what we've seen.

We can sometimes give away coyote hides here, depending on condition, but both because I've changed my perspective as I've aged and no, I do not want to educate them, personally I don't shoot at a dog unless I'm sure I can kill it.

Happy New Year to you, I hope that next year is better and all ways for you and as always, the coffee is on for you if you ever wander past.

Dwayne

It's always better to dial or use a good reticle. If you feel comfortable guessing your imaginary hold overs, more power to you. People like you are probably part of the reason this thread exists. Just a thought. I always like to be sure of the shot I'm going to take. You also shouldn't be aiming at the "deer shoulder" at 400 yards. You are just digging yourself deeper, with stupid remarks. Again, if you are the guy shooting 6-7" groups at 100 yards, you have no business at all trying to poke them further out.