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In “No Country for Old Men” Anton Shigur asks one of his victims, “If the road you traveled brought you to this place (about to die a bloody death), of what use was the road?”

I think about that line every single time I consider where we are in this country today. If this is where our history brought us, what good was it? Pretty much everything you were ever taught was a lie.

I've often asked what is so great about our Constitution when it has allowed us to decay into what we have now. It is a brilliant piece of paper nobody will defend.

Lincoln attacked the South because he was told to by his handlers if he wanted to be reelected. Lincoln was personally responsible for the death of 700,000 Americans. He's the worst President in our history soon to be replaced by the radical Muslim Communist Barack Hussein Obama.

Umm... no, not exacty....


https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

Only Georgia made any real mention of tariffs, trade, etc. but even here it just lead back to.... slavery.

Understanding who fought for what and why is a fine point, but I always end up returning to the bludgeoning notion,

No slavery- no civil war.

So there were only five states in the Confederacy? Wow, learn something every day on the Campfire.

Sad

There is no slavery today and we seem to be headed for another. And a lot of the ideas seem to be broken down along the same general geographic lines. If slavery was the only cause, why wasn’t the country fixed when slavery was ended?

Do you want to support that position? Or just go with the bumper sticker?

Bazinga !

She did not say it was fought over states rights and failed to mention that the cause was slavery. It was not merely an "also ran". It was the cause. She displayed incredible ignorance and her answer was poorly phrased. She's a moron and put on full display why she should not be president.

Well said and absolutely correct.

AKA - a propaganda campaign of only partial information.

When asked why they were fighting, Confederate troops almost invariably said because the Union invaded The South.

The South was and is the breadbasket of the nation with all of the warm water ports! Lincoln sent troops into the bosom of the South because of economic reasons NOT to save the Negro; conversely if he'd had HIS WAY initially his idea was to send them packing back to Africa!! Import fees for goods coming into the few northern ports were running as high as 40% whereas the idea broached by the South was to have lower tariff fees to embellish trade!

Sounded like that was her follow-up reason. IMHO and from the history books I've read, the Civil War was begun over secession. Now, we can talk about the reasons for secession.

It absolutely grinds my teeth when people say the reason for the Civil War was slavery. It was not.

Saying the civil war was not about slavery is like saying the super bowl is not about football. There would have been no move to secede were it not for slavery.

When the Southern Aristocracy resolved to split the United States rather than give up the economic advantages that slavery gave them, that was the first 'shot' fired in the war. States Rights was the bumper sticker that was used to rally white non slave owning southerners to the flag, and thus bleed for the aristocracies wealth and lifestyle.
Follow the money and the power in every war...therein lies the cause.
Conversely, Lincoln had no constitutional right to force stop secession.
Plenty of blame to go around, so now we have an entire angry segment of our society, 12% of the population, that have become generational wards of the taxpayer.

What a lot of the dumb schits on here don’t realize is how much they’ve fallen for recent communist propaganda.

The idea that the war was not only about, or even principally about slavery was not some Lost Cause bullschit, it was accepted truth. As late as the late 1980s and early 1990s I had college professors teach that there were lots of issues and that slavery was a catalyst instead of the main cause. When, was the last time you heard someone mention “sectionalism” ?

They can’t and don’t teach that now? Why? Are we smarter than we were then? Do we have access to more primary sources? No, because of a systematic campaign to make the war about AND ONLY about slavery.

Why is this? For two reasons. First, the commies could never succeed in the US following their class model that worked elsewhere, they changed tactics and substituted race instead. Therefore, it was white people who needed to look bad, making the Civil War just about slavery was a good way to do that. Secondly, the white people they worried about most and needed to make look worst were the rural types and especially rural southerners. They needed to completely destroy the idea that people had once stood up to the federal government for any reason ither than their own greed and racism. Destroy the idea of states rights. Completely tarnish with racism the idea that anyone would resist the power of the government. And why is that? Because they control the government now and they have bad plans for us. And anyone who resists is just following in the footsteps of their racist ancestors.

It’s as easy as the nose on your face to see.

Yes they did. The disagreement over slavery was the reason for their secession in their own words.