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Assuming it’s gold ringed produced, call it the ‘vx-classic’ maybe 3 variations keep it vx3hd or vari-x3 technology (unless it can be done better for less)…
I was really pissed when vortex did away the the razor lh line, that was great lineup IMO. It also filled a roll they weren’t in at the time and it was semi-competitive with the European offerings.
It’s damned frustrating!
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Basically, you're yelling at clouds because you don't like the locking CDS turret?
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I've got a pile of 2-7, 3-9, 2.5-8 and 6x scopes with BDC reticles. I'll not part with any of them. When it's time to dial, SWFA or Nightforce will be getting my business, but I don't need or want anything beyond 10x. Still, having said that, I don't think it's especially hard to find "standard" scopes, although Leupold's aesthetics have gone into the crapper.
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Same reason you can hardly get a mfg like Winchester to run a m70 with blued steel and walnut… Listen i know there are used options etc but I’m just saying…WTF I understand it’s marketing and it’s what is in but it seems to me that they have terrible overlap on their models…Jesus, how many turreted, w/ segmented reticle, scopes does a company have to produce? Need to bug SWFA to do a “hunter line” simple sleek light hunting scopes! searching midway and filter the search for “min power 1x”….proceed to get pissed! Looks like trijicon might have an option or two. But bordering that affordability line… Saw a nice nightforce $4350 ‘ish It’s frustrating! Leupold do a “campfire run”  Just go down to wallyworld, they have what you're looking for. I love how old timers care more about looks than actual function. O suppose it's because they spend far more time looking at s hit instead of using it. All this just to put it in a safe and never use it lol
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Assuming it’s gold ringed produced, call it the ‘vx-classic’ maybe 3 variations keep it vx3hd or vari-x3 technology (unless it can be done better for less)…
I was really pissed when vortex did away the the razor lh line, that was great lineup IMO. It also filled a roll they weren’t in at the time and it was semi-competitive with the European offerings.
It’s damned frustrating! Why do you care what Leupold and Vortex do? Better options are available than what those two companies offer. If you're sentimental about Leupold of old - they left you, you didn't leave them - so feel comfortable moving on to Trijicon.
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Same reason you can hardly get a mfg like Winchester to run a m70 with blued steel and walnut… Listen i know there are used options etc but I’m just saying…WTF I understand it’s marketing and it’s what is in but it seems to me that they have terrible overlap on their models…Jesus, how many turreted, w/ segmented reticle, scopes does a company have to produce? Need to bug SWFA to do a “hunter line” simple sleek light hunting scopes! searching midway and filter the search for “min power 1x”….proceed to get pissed! Looks like trijicon might have an option or two. But bordering that affordability line… Saw a nice nightforce $4350 ‘ish It’s frustrating! Leupold do a “campfire run” Just go down to wallyworld, they have what you're looking for. I love how old timers care more about looks than actual function. O suppose it's because they spend far more time looking at s hit instead of using it. All this just to put it in a safe and never use it lol You couldn’t be more wrong about that…. I love how youngsters follow marketing wank instead of using what works… “Walley world” yeah not likely. I’m far from an old timer!
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Assuming it’s gold ringed produced, call it the ‘vx-classic’ maybe 3 variations keep it vx3hd or vari-x3 technology (unless it can be done better for less)…
I was really pissed when vortex did away the the razor lh line, that was great lineup IMO. It also filled a roll they weren’t in at the time and it was semi-competitive with the European offerings.
It’s damned frustrating! Why do you care what Leupold and Vortex do? Better options are available than what those two companies offer. If you're sentimental about Leupold of old - they left you, you didn't leave them - so feel comfortable moving on to Trijicon. Point me to a better option? Trijicon is maybe the closest but not the biggest fan of them. Aside from a few models I’d never choose Leupold. Honestly I’ve seen over a dozen failures from their middle of the road offerings to the top of the line (at the time). Fact remains for certain rifles they were the best game in town!
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Same reason you can hardly get a mfg like Winchester to run a m70 with blued steel and walnut… Listen i know there are used options etc but I’m just saying…WTF I understand it’s marketing and it’s what is in but it seems to me that they have terrible overlap on their models…Jesus, how many turreted, w/ segmented reticle, scopes does a company have to produce? Need to bug SWFA to do a “hunter line” simple sleek light hunting scopes! searching midway and filter the search for “min power 1x”….proceed to get pissed! Looks like trijicon might have an option or two. But bordering that affordability line… Saw a nice nightforce $4350 ‘ish It’s frustrating! Leupold do a “campfire run” Just go down to wallyworld, they have what you're looking for. I love how old timers care more about looks than actual function. O suppose it's because they spend far more time looking at s hit instead of using it. All this just to put it in a safe and never use it lol I’m not sure what this means. But I’ve used rifles a bunch. I’ve had rifles ride 100’s of miles on a pack as well as in a saddle scabbard. I don’t want a 23 plus oz scope mounted 2” above the bore. I also don’t want extension rings to make a scope fit either. I want something simple, low, with a couple of hash marks to get me to 500 yards quickly and hold zero. That’s it. I’ve shot a lot of game with that recipe.
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Hunters and what they need are no longer driving the market. Hunter numbers are way down. Rifle shooters numbers are way up. They want rifles and optics suited for shooting at paper and steel.
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Assuming it’s gold ringed produced, call it the ‘vx-classic’ maybe 3 variations keep it vx3hd or vari-x3 technology (unless it can be done better for less)…
I was really pissed when vortex did away the the razor lh line, that was great lineup IMO. It also filled a roll they weren’t in at the time and it was semi-competitive with the European offerings.
It’s damned frustrating! Why do you care what Leupold and Vortex do? Better options are available than what those two companies offer. If you're sentimental about Leupold of old - they left you, you didn't leave them - so feel comfortable moving on to Trijicon. Point me to a better option? Trijicon is maybe the closest but not the biggest fan of them. Aside from a few models I’d never choose Leupold. Honestly I’ve seen over a dozen failures from their middle of the road offerings to the top of the line (at the time). Fact remains for certain rifles they were the best game in town! Burris Fullfield II in the $200 price range (and from everything I've read, they are better than many scopes costing hundreds more - Burris did a great job with that scope) Trijicon Accupoint in the $600 price range I'm thankful for those two good options considering all the lousy scopes sold today and in the past.
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Hunters and what they need are no longer driving the market. Hunter numbers are way down. Rifle shooters numbers are way up. They want rifles and optics suited for shooting at paper and steel. This is so true, 30mm tubes and larger being all the rage. When hunters are wanting light weight, and a product that is reliable.
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Same reason you can hardly get a mfg like Winchester to run a m70 with blued steel and walnut… Listen i know there are used options etc but I’m just saying…WTF I understand it’s marketing and it’s what is in but it seems to me that they have terrible overlap on their models…Jesus, how many turreted, w/ segmented reticle, scopes does a company have to produce? Need to bug SWFA to do a “hunter line” simple sleek light hunting scopes! searching midway and filter the search for “min power 1x”….proceed to get pissed! Looks like trijicon might have an option or two. But bordering that affordability line… Saw a nice nightforce $4350 ‘ish It’s frustrating! Leupold do a “campfire run” Just go down to wallyworld, they have what you're looking for. I love how old timers care more about looks than actual function. O suppose it's because they spend far more time looking at s hit instead of using it. All this just to put it in a safe and never use it lol I’m not sure what this means. But I’ve used rifles a bunch. I’ve had rifles ride 100’s of miles on a pack as well as in a saddle scabbard. I don’t want a 23 plus oz scope mounted 2” above the bore. I also don’t want extension rings to make a scope fit either. I want something simple, low, with a couple of hash marks to get me to 500 yards quickly and hold zero. That’s it. I’ve shot a lot of game with that recipe. Ok. Not real sure what that has to do with my post. So you have personal idiosyncrasies for scopes. Cool. Keep b itching I guess.
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Hunters and what they need are no longer driving the market. Hunter numbers are way down. Rifle shooters numbers are way up. They want rifles and optics suited for shooting at paper and steel. This is so true, 30mm tubes and larger being all the rage. When hunters are wanting light weight, and a product that is reliable. There is still an entire line of lightweight, 1” Leupolds.
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Same reason you can hardly get a mfg like Winchester to run a m70 with blued steel and walnut… Listen i know there are used options etc but I’m just saying…WTF I understand it’s marketing and it’s what is in but it seems to me that they have terrible overlap on their models…Jesus, how many turreted, w/ segmented reticle, scopes does a company have to produce? Need to bug SWFA to do a “hunter line” simple sleek light hunting scopes! searching midway and filter the search for “min power 1x”….proceed to get pissed! Looks like trijicon might have an option or two. But bordering that affordability line… Saw a nice nightforce $4350 ‘ish It’s frustrating! Leupold do a “campfire run” Just go down to wallyworld, they have what you're looking for. I love how old timers care more about looks than actual function. O suppose it's because they spend far more time looking at s hit instead of using it. All this just to put it in a safe and never use it lol I’m not sure what this means. But I’ve used rifles a bunch. I’ve had rifles ride 100’s of miles on a pack as well as in a saddle scabbard. I don’t want a 23 plus oz scope mounted 2” above the bore. I also don’t want extension rings to make a scope fit either. I want something simple, low, with a couple of hash marks to get me to 500 yards quickly and hold zero. That’s it. I’ve shot a lot of game with that recipe. Ok. Not real sure what that has to do with my post. So you have personal idiosyncrasies for scopes. Cool. Keep b itching I guess. I’m not bitching. But honestly don’t know what your post even meant.
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I just shake my head every time is see the uber tacticool LPVO mentioned. I was using 1-4X, 1.75-6X, and 2-7X 40 years ago. Still do. 1-4x or 1.75-6 are LPVO.
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Same reason you can hardly get a mfg like Winchester to run a m70 with blued steel and walnut… Listen i know there are used options etc but I’m just saying…WTF I understand it’s marketing and it’s what is in but it seems to me that they have terrible overlap on their models…Jesus, how many turreted, w/ segmented reticle, scopes does a company have to produce? Need to bug SWFA to do a “hunter line” simple sleek light hunting scopes! searching midway and filter the search for “min power 1x”….proceed to get pissed! Looks like trijicon might have an option or two. But bordering that affordability line… Saw a nice nightforce $4350 ‘ish It’s frustrating! Leupold do a “campfire run” Just go down to wallyworld, they have what you're looking for. I love how old timers care more about looks than actual function. O suppose it's because they spend far more time looking at s hit instead of using it. All this just to put it in a safe and never use it lol I’m not sure what this means. But I’ve used rifles a bunch. I’ve had rifles ride 100’s of miles on a pack as well as in a saddle scabbard. I don’t want a 23 plus oz scope mounted 2” above the bore. I also don’t want extension rings to make a scope fit either. I want something simple, low, with a couple of hash marks to get me to 500 yards quickly and hold zero. That’s it. I’ve shot a lot of game with that recipe. Yup me too! With some decent glass. That’s what makes me frustrated, simply Everytime I look they’ve added some coating costing many hundreds of dollars more, added turrets, mil-inspired reticles and weight. It’s too bad. You have good taste in the necessities!
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Simple scopes are still made if one knows where to look.
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Burris Fullfield II in the $200 price range (and from everything I've read, they are better than many scopes costing hundreds more - Burris did a great job with that scope)
Trijicon Accupoint in the $600 price range
I'm thankful for those two good options considering all the lousy scopes sold today and in the past. Looked on the Burris website and it shows the Fullfield ii, the entire line, as “discontinued”
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Burris Fullfield II in the $200 price range (and from everything I've read, they are better than many scopes costing hundreds more - Burris did a great job with that scope)
Trijicon Accupoint in the $600 price range
I'm thankful for those two good options considering all the lousy scopes sold today and in the past. Looked on the Burris website and it shows the Fullfield ii, the entire line, as “discontinued” Thinking the Droptine could have replaced it. Maybe the FF IV is supposed to be the replacement, no idea.
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another point would be who wants to pay for all the tacti cool when I'd rather spend the same money on better glass and coatings and simpler retical and less bells and whistles plus the weight savings
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