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No mention of Cynthia Parker?


Captured as a child, had kids, rescued as an adult.
Went back to the Comanche at her first chance.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
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Originally Posted by 222ND
Herman Lehmann was his name.


Quite the fellow around these parts. Still talked about. His other compatriot, Adolph Korn (most bloodthirsty Comanche he ever knew! 🤣), is buried in the Gooch cemetery in Mason Tx.


I will go on and recommend this book highly. It doesn’t seem to have as much of the "artistic license" that many of the other books like "The Boy Captives" contain. At least several of the accounts in the Lehmann book were contemporarily cross referenced with opposing combatants. Like Ranger James Gillett.

My favorite part is when he walks in on a Comanche camp one night about a year after fleeing the Apaches. By this time the Comanches were being hunted all over Comancheria and had abundant reason to hate White folks ( and vice versa). They didn’t kill him, they took him in.

Yes. He was basically nekked as a jaybird. And waltzed right in.


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I don't think Comanches got much chance against Apaches.

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Interesting video. Learned a few things.


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Originally Posted by 222ND
Herman Lehmann was his name.


Quite the fellow around these parts. Still talked about. His other compatriot, Adolph Korn (most bloodthirsty Comanche he ever knew! 🤣), is buried in the Gooch cemetery in Mason Tx.


I will go on and recommend this book highly. It doesn’t seem to have as much of the "artistic license" that many of the other books like "The Boy Captives" contain. At least several of the accounts in the Lehmann book were contemporarily cross referenced with opposing combatants. Like Ranger James Gillett.

Yep! I’d recommend it too. I really liked it.


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
No mention of Cynthia Parker?


Captured as a child, had kids, rescued as an adult.
Went back to the Comanche at her first chance.

Nope, there was another German guy who did that, Kaywoodie prob’ly remembers his name.

Poor Cynthia Anne was recaptured 1860, Charles Goodnight who had been schooled in woodcraft by an elderly Caddo, scouted for the Ranging Company that caught her (Baylor?). Her husband Peta Nocona was killed in that attack.

Cynthia Anne was captured along with her infant daughter Topsannah, tried several times to escape.

When the infant died of a fever it’s said Cynthia died of a broken heart.

That’s a popular version, such things ain’t always true.


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
No mention of Cynthia Parker?


Captured as a child, had kids, rescued as an adult.
Went back to the Comanche at her first chance.

You mean the mother of Chief Quanah Parker ?

And No. She NEVER returned to the Comanches.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
No mention of Cynthia Parker?


Captured as a child, had kids, rescued as an adult.
Went back to the Comanche at her first chance.

Nope, there was another German guy who did that, Kaywoodie prob’ly remembers his name.

Poor Cynthia Anne was recaptured 1860, Charles Goodnight who had been schooled in woodcraft by an elderly Caddo, scouted for the Ranging Company that caught her (Baylor?). Her husband Peta Nocona was killed in that attack.

Cynthia Anne was captured along with her infant daughter Topsannah, tried several times to escape.

When the infant died of a fever it’s said Cynthia died of a broken heart.

That’s a popular version, such things ain’t always true.

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The story of Temple Friend and the Legion Creek massacreis a damn good one too! In Llano county around the Oxford community.


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Have their round haunches gored."

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OK Tejas boys,
thanks for the correction.

Now I gotta try to remember the right version!


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Anyone interested in this stuff, here is another book I recommend on the subject. Written by a descendant of Adolph Korn that I mentioned earlier. Author born and raised in Mason County Tx.

He goes into pretty good detail concerning the German-Comanche treaty of 1847 and other aspects of those folks. Also good info on the other captives taken from the area.

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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester

"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by MartinStrummer
"... What type of wood was the lance shaft made from? Assuming straight grained and riven. Not sure what would grow that long and straight on the plains? ..."

Probably "bois d'arc" - pro. bow-dark
French for "wood of the bow".
Cut it, bark it and hang it to dry with a weight on the end.
Stuff is just like iron, well, almost.

Back in the day, if you needed to mark a fence corner or property line, you did it with bois d'arc posts.
Impervious to rot. If allowed to cure, you can't drive a staple into it.
AKA osage orange, or hedge apple

We have plenty of Osage Orange around here. But nothing that would rive out a straight section that long. Maybe they grow taller, straighter out your way. Wow...



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Originally Posted by Orion2000
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by MartinStrummer
"... What type of wood was the lance shaft made from? Assuming straight grained and riven. Not sure what would grow that long and straight on the plains? ..."

Probably "bois d'arc" - pro. bow-dark
French for "wood of the bow".
Cut it, bark it and hang it to dry with a weight on the end.
Stuff is just like iron, well, almost.

Back in the day, if you needed to mark a fence corner or property line, you did it with bois d'arc posts.
Impervious to rot. If allowed to cure, you can't drive a staple into it.
AKA osage orange, or hedge apple

We have plenty of Osage Orange around here. But nothing that would rive out a straight section that long. Maybe they grow taller, straighter out your way. Wow...

To make a bow you take a trunk and split staves off of it. Doesn’t have to be a large trunk. Just one that can be split. Which is much easier said than done.


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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester

"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."

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Bois d’arc also makes excellent house piers. As demonstrated here at the old home place south of Bastrop Tx. at Hill’s Prairie. My great grandfather and grandmother Norment circa 1925.

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Have their round haunches gored."

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Indians in western Pennsylvania and the Ohio River valley also captured and raised white children. I understand that it was their belief that a child that died could be replaced by another. Many of these kids stayed with the tribe, even when the opportunity to return to white society was given.

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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
... To make a bow you take a trunk and split staves off of it. Doesn’t have to be a large trunk. Just one that can be split. Which is much easier said than done.

"Somewhere" I have a piece of osage orange that a nephew split out for me. Excellent for making bows because (around here) the wood always grows in a natural curve. Very few straight sections. Hence the surprise when somewhere up above mentioned a 14 ft lance.



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I do not believe the lances were made of bois d’arc. I believe they were more commonly fabricated out of something like a sotol stalk. At least down here. And lots of river cane used in southeast.

Don’t have a clue as to what was used elsewhere. But I imaging it was something else just as light and handy.


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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester

"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
It's well known that both tribes kept slaves and treated them cruelly. The black slaves owned by whites had it pretty soft in comparison.

Yep, the injuns were pretty "savage". Hence the name. Just think what happened when they got a little Irish blood mixed in. Watch the fu ck out!!!!!


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Anyone interested in this stuff, here is another book I recommend on the subject. Written by a descendant of Adolph Korn that I mentioned earlier. Author born and raised in Mason County Tx.

He goes into pretty good detail concerning the German-Comanche treaty of 1847 and other aspects of those folks. Also good info on the other captives taken from the area.

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I downloaded it on my Kindle yesterday and have been reading it.

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