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Frank,

With actions like the Bighorn Origin available, there’s no way I’d start with a 700 again. I’ve had great results with Bartlein, Brux, and Kreiger and would let availability pretty much determine which of those three I’d use. I like chassis because of the adjustability at similar weight to many of the synthetics, but that’s personal preference. Downside is aluminum is very cold in the hands on a cold day. Haven’t tried one, but the McMillan Mountaineer stock is very interesting to me, and if I wasn’t so tight fisted, I’d really like to try the MDT HNT26 carbon fiber chassis. Prefer Triggertech triggers to any others I have tried.

https://mdttac.com/hnt26-chassis-system/

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Originally Posted by fshaw
BSA, my question was if you could build out one rifle for a lifetime of deer and elk hunting at distances of 800-1000 yards, what would you build. I specifically asked about actions and barrels. Dave and Coyote 10 gave a pretty comprehensive list and I appreciate that. Thank you. There is no question in my mind that their rigs would be extremely effective. I was really curious if the people doing this type of shooting would lean toward BAT or Borden actions, etc as opposed to trued Remingtons, and Bartlein or Kreiger cut rifled barrels, as opposed to button rifle barrel makers, etc. A follow on question would have been who they would choose to do the gunsmith work. I have nothing against Remington actions, the most accurate rifle I own was built by a gunsmith that builds, competes with and places and wins with rifles he's built. Mine was built on a Model 7 action that I had and is exceptional.

Used to be the conventional wisdom was that for the price of a trued "blueprinted" Model 700 action you could use a custom action like a Bat, Borden, Pierce and come out pretty close on price. Seems like current prices on full custom actions may have opened that difference some. There are also some newer barrel makers who are getting a lot of discussion now that weren't of heard much 10 years ago. I've never had a chassis rifle and they don't appeal to me much, but guys who are going to some real extemes in terms of both distance walked and distance shot are doing impressive things with them.

I posted my question in a very open form much along the lines of "If you could build one for a lifetime, what would it be" along with a few specific questions about things like barrels and actions. I left it open because I was interested in what the posters here were thinking. The member above obviously felt like I was wasting time so I withdrew my question.

I'm fairly knowledgeable about accuracy builds and reloading techniques for lightweight and shorter range hunting and BR shooting but have effectively no practical knowledge related to the discipline of long range precision shooting. I just heard about spin drift at long range within the last week. As an Adirondack hunter and guide, it's not been a factor for me. I have more problems finding a hole through the brush that I can make a clean shot through. I've read about precision long range a lot, and I mean hours and hours, and find it pretty fascinating. But, as you know, there not everyone who posts on an internet topic has the real experience that they try to claim in their posts.

Thanks for asking.

Frank

Guessing our deer hunting is pretty similar, Frank. Look East and you'll see me on that Green Mountain ridge over there. These guys will steer you right. Is this a dedicated long range rifle or do you want something you can use up close in the Adirondacks, too. Do you ever track/jump-shoot or are you a "setter" as my buddies would say? Personally, I'm wanting a Wilson Combat NULA 32 7PRC - 3 down and 3.7" mag. He hasn't built it yet and may never but, if God hears the prayers of earnest hunters there's a chance. One thing I've taken away from these guys is that experienced, good shooters can hit vitals under field conditions with the right rig out to 600yds. Beyond that is a different world. Like you I find this foreign world fascinating and I wish you luck! You've asked the right guys.


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I have a friend that built (don’t recall the smith), a leightweight 7PRC that’s his do everything gun. Since we did a latter test with it six months ago it’s accounted for two stag (750 and 375 yards), a couple ibex, a chamois, and some other European sheep.

He lives in Romania most of the time and Idaho the rest. Has his son fly in from Idaho with his rifle and sends it back when he’s done.

He thinks the 7PRC is the answer to your question.

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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
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"Don't let these morons run you down, you started a thread based on questions you seek answers for, not answers for some other OP's questions...

If some cnt gives you grief ... GFY should be a reasonable response for her/she

Scrolling on by is a lost art out here"


Great advice, but I think it's that crap that's the reason Dober, Pat Sinclair and others are gone. He certainly didn't get me down, but I don't come here to trade insults or do the GFY thing.

Thanks.

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What’s up with the perpetual whine?

You posted a question that literally is the exact same question on the other thread.

All I did was try to guide you to the other thread where there are plenty of replies already existing answering your question.
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by fshaw
"Don't let these morons run you down, you started a thread based on questions you seek answers for, not answers for some other OP's questions...

If some cnt gives you grief ... GFY should be a reasonable response for her/she

Scrolling on by is a lost art out here"


Great advice, but I think it's that crap that's the reason Dober, Pat Sinclair and others are gone. He certainly didn't get me down, but I don't come here to trade insults or do the GFY thing.

Thanks.

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What’s up with the perpetual whine?

You posted a question that literally is the exact same question on the other thread.

All I did was try to guide you to the other thread where there are plenty of replies already existing answering your question.

Certainly not a perpetual whine and you’re certainly living up to your reputation here. What an ass. If you read my post as identical to the one below asking about cartridges and calibers in a 700, your reading ability matches your ability to contribute anything meaningful to any thread I’ve seen you post in, Jack Sheit. I hope that there is some small corner of your life where you contribute more to society than you do here. From what I see you’re little more than a continuing irritation, much like a hemorrhoid. I guess what you understand the best, and strive for like an attention seeking unruly child is being a PITA. Great success there you low life scumbag.

There, is that the response you were looking for you douche nozzle. As the gentleman above suggested why don’t you GFY you pathetic little turd. I’ll give you a bit of time to read this to the best of your ability and then delete the you for your input and I apologize for the outburst. Now piss off.

To the gentlemen who contributed above, thank you for your input and I apologize for the outburst. Nearly 15 years on this site and I’ve never had anyone go out of his way to be a little sheit like this guy.

Oh well, glad mot to be him.

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Originally Posted by fshaw
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by fshaw
"Don't let these morons run you down, you started a thread based on questions you seek answers for, not answers for some other OP's questions...

If some cnt gives you grief ... GFY should be a reasonable response for her/she

Scrolling on by is a lost art out here"


Great advice, but I think it's that crap that's the reason Dober, Pat Sinclair and others are gone. He certainly didn't get me down, but I don't come here to trade insults or do the GFY thing.

Thanks.

Frank


What’s up with the perpetual whine?

You posted a question that literally is the exact same question on the other thread.

All I did was try to guide you to the other thread where there are plenty of replies already existing answering your question.
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by fshaw
"Don't let these morons run you down, you started a thread based on questions you seek answers for, not answers for some other OP's questions...

If some cnt gives you grief ... GFY should be a reasonable response for her/she

Scrolling on by is a lost art out here"


Great advice, but I think it's that crap that's the reason Dober, Pat Sinclair and others are gone. He certainly didn't get me down, but I don't come here to trade insults or do the GFY thing.

Thanks.

Frank


What’s up with the perpetual whine?

You posted a question that literally is the exact same question on the other thread.

All I did was try to guide you to the other thread where there are plenty of replies already existing answering your question.

Certainly not a perpetual whine and you’re certainly living up to your reputation here. What an ass. If you read my post as identical to the one below asking about cartridges and calibers in a 700, your reading ability matches your ability to contribute anything meaningful to any thread I’ve seen you post in, Jack Sheit. I hope that there is some small corner of your life where you contribute more to society than you do here. From what I see you’re little more than a continuing irritation, much like a hemorrhoid. I guess what you understand the best, and strive for like an attention seeking unruly child is being a PITA. Great success there you low life scumbag.

There, is that the response you were looking for you douche nozzle. As the gentleman above suggested why don’t you GFY you pathetic little turd. I’ll give you a bit of time to read this to the best of your ability and then delete the you for your input and I apologize for the outburst. Now piss off.

To the gentlemen who contributed above, thank you for your input and I apologize for the outburst. Nearly 15 years on this site and I’ve never had anyone go out of his way to be a little sheit like this guy.



Oh well, glad mot to be him.


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The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by fshaw
If this has been done before, I apologize.

Thanks.

Frank

It has. Apology accepted

Wow, you are a pompous &ss.

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Originally Posted by fshaw
Made a post that a high post count member deemed as adequately covered previously.

Deleted it.

Frank

Don't do that again. No one has any other "authority" over the question you want to ask.

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Originally Posted by 78CJ
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by fshaw
If this has been done before, I apologize.

Thanks.

Frank

It has. Apology accepted

Wow, you are a pompous &ss.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


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The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by 78CJ
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by fshaw
If this has been done before, I apologize.

Thanks.

Frank

It has. Apology accepted

Wow, you are a pompous &ss.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

So Ricky is being a dick.... again, still... I am not surprised

To the O.P. your thread is perfect and is exactly what the campfire is about, so ask away without shame... the shame is on Ricky


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Yes. Shame on me for letting him know, as he thought, the question has been asked, accepting his apology and pointing him to an existing thread that may help answer his question

Hilarious!


Who told him to delete his OP?


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Originally Posted by 78CJ
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
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If this has been done before, I apologize.

Thanks.

Frank

It has. Apology accepted



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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Yes. Shame on me for letting him know, as he thought, the question has been asked, accepting his apology and pointing him to an existing thread that may help answer his question

Hilarious!


Who told him to delete his OP?

You shamed him into it.... you should not have done that.
He has every right to participate as you do.
Just admit you were wrong , it will gain you credibility


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Yes. Shame on me for letting him know, as he thought, the question has been asked, accepting his apology and pointing him to an existing thread that may help answer his question

Hilarious!


Who told him to delete his OP?

You shamed him into it.... you should not have done that.
He has every right to participate as you do.
Just admit you were wrong , it will gain you credibility


You’ve got to be joking.

I shamed him into it. LMFAO


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Yes. Shame on me for letting him know, as he thought, the question has been asked, accepting his apology and pointing him to an existing thread that may help answer his question

Hilarious!


Who told him to delete his OP?

You shamed him into it.... you should not have done that.
He has every right to participate as you do.
Just admit you were wrong , it will gain you credibility


BTW while you’re here, answer his OP


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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Yes. Shame on me for letting him know, as he thought, the question has been asked, accepting his apology and pointing him to an existing thread that may help answer his question

Hilarious!


Who told him to delete his OP?

You shamed him into it.... you should not have done that.
He has every right to participate as you do.
Just admit you were wrong , it will gain you credibility


BTW while you’re here, answer his OP

Sure , this is fun...
I would start with a Bighorn origin action, Brux, Bartlien or Krieger barrel, #3 contour cut to 23"
McMillan game scout stock, Hawkins bottom metal, trigger tech trigger. Hawkins one piece ring/base combo.
Nightforce NXS 2-10x42 scope......
I would probably chamber it in 7mm Rem mag, 1/8 twist, throated for longer bullets, maybe 300 Win mag.
I like common cartridges for brass and ammo availability


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Why is a Bighorn action at $1000 better than a Remington 700 action?

You’re recommending a 2-10X scope for a dedicated long range rifle? A rifle that the OP is putting together for the rest of his life?


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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Why is a Bighorn action at $1000 better than a Remington 700 action?

You’re recommending a 2-10X scope for a dedicated long range rifle? A rifle that the OP is putting together for the rest of his life?

Floating interchangeable bolt heat, controlled round feed, if you can't hit an elk or a deer with 10x you need to practice more.
I could be wrong about the premise of the thread as he deleted it, but I thought it was long range hunting?
Target or competition would be a different deal...


Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Why is a Bighorn action at $1000 better than a Remington 700 action?

You’re recommending a 2-10X scope for a dedicated long range rifle? A rifle that the OP is putting together for the rest of his life?

Floating interchangeable bolt heat, controlled round feed, if you can't hit an elk or a deer with 10x you need to practice more.
I could be wrong about the premise of the thread as he deleted it, but I thought it was long range hunting?
Target or competition would be a different deal...


Recommending a 2-10X scope is immediately disqualifying


Thanks for playing


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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Why is a Bighorn action at $1000 better than a Remington 700 action?

You’re recommending a 2-10X scope for a dedicated long range rifle? A rifle that the OP is putting together for the rest of his life?

Floating interchangeable bolt heat, controlled round feed, if you can't hit an elk or a deer with 10x you need to practice more.
I could be wrong about the premise of the thread as he deleted it, but I thought it was long range hunting?
Target or competition would be a different deal...


Recommending a 2-10X scope is immediately disqualifying


Thanks for playing

Lower power scopes have some advantages, such as spotting hits & misses.
I can hit a beer can at 300 yds with a 4x scope, I suspect a deer at twice that range wouldn't be an issue?
But I am not a long range hunter so I am guessing.... I do enjoy long range steel though.... and I have shot several deer at 400+ yards, longest being 525 yds and my 2-7 scope worked fine for those ranges.


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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