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ADL or BDL? #19134236 01/21/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Your thoughts please.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134247 01/21/24 Joined: Nov 2022 Posts: 115 Mountains of WV bearded_hillbilly Campfire Member bearded_hillbilly Campfire Member Joined: Nov 2022 Posts: 115 Mountains of WV I have never cared much for a floor plate. So ADL is what I would choose. Just my 5 cents…

Re: ADL or BDL? bearded_hillbilly #19134259 01/21/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Originally Posted by bearded_hillbilly I have never cared much for a floor plate. So ADL is what I would choose. Just my 5 cents… Do you have any ADL style rifles, are you familiar with them?

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134260 01/21/24 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,937 Likes: 12 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,937 Likes: 12 Adl with a stock designed as adl - ks, montana, ula/nula.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134269 01/21/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Is there any reason/theory why ADL would not feed has well as a BDL?

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134317 01/21/24 Joined: Nov 2022 Posts: 115 Mountains of WV bearded_hillbilly Campfire Member bearded_hillbilly Campfire Member Joined: Nov 2022 Posts: 115 Mountains of WV Originally Posted by Kenneth Originally Posted by bearded_hillbilly I have never cared much for a floor plate. So ADL is what I would choose. Just my 5 cents… Do you have any ADL style rifles, are you familiar with them? Absolutely, I have a Remington 700 SS, 5 NULA’s, 1 Forbes, 2 rebuilt CLR’s, a Kimber Montana, and an OutKast Arms Kimber custom. I also own at least 4 rifles with floor plates, a pre-64 Model 70, a Ruger 77, Christensen Ridgeline, and a Weatherby MK 5. There have been many others of both flavors as well, particularly the Kimber Montana and Mountain Ascent. I just like the ADL style better. No worries about dropped shells and no metal plate to make your hand colder. AKwolverine makes a very good point about stock design. Last edited by bearded_hillbilly; 01/21/24.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134320 01/21/24 Joined: Aug 2023 Posts: 499 Alberta RemingtonPeters Campfire Member RemingtonPeters Campfire Member Joined: Aug 2023 Posts: 499 Alberta Either. Unloading an ADL is more time consuming.

Re: ADL or BDL? AKwolverine #19134345 01/21/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,898 Montana P prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,898 Montana Originally Posted by AKwolverine Adl with a stock designed as adl - ks, montana, ula/nula. Good point. An ADL on a stock that is "squared off" on the bottom to handle the BDL bottom metal doesn't feel right in the hand in ADL configuration. A bunch of Manners' stocks are like this. On the other hand the stocks you mentioned are more rounded under the action and carry nicely in the hand.

Re: ADL or BDL? RemingtonPeters #19134390 01/21/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Originally Posted by RemingtonPeters Either. Unloading an ADL is more time consuming. To me, often when I open a floor plate, multiple items land on the ground, including spring and follower, I’ve never owned a gun with ADL setup, Don’t mind BDL, just don’t see the usefulness of it.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134399 01/21/24 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,937 Likes: 12 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,937 Likes: 12 Originally Posted by Kenneth Originally Posted by RemingtonPeters Either. Unloading an ADL is more time consuming. To me, often when I open a floor plate, multiple items land on the ground, including spring and follower, I’ve never owned a gun with ADL setup, Don’t mind BDL, just don’t see the usefulness of it. Often?

Re: ADL or BDL? AKwolverine #19134440 01/21/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map “Often”, I don’t open the floor plate often, but percentage wise, when I do, it happens too often.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134448 01/21/24 Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,673 Kansas 7_08FAN Campfire Regular 7_08FAN Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,673 Kansas All my rigs are ADL and that is what I started with in the 70’s. I won’t go into why they might be better as it will start the “fire”. To each their own. There are some states that don’t allow travel with ammo in the belly. If I lived in one of these states I would consider BDL for ease and speed of unloading. "Mark the birds and handle your Dog"

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134456 01/21/24 Joined: Dec 2022 Posts: 2,329 C Coyote10 Campfire Regular Coyote10 Campfire Regular C Joined: Dec 2022 Posts: 2,329 Adl. Every time.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134459 01/21/24 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,444 Likes: 2 Lower Dakota Territory Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,444 Likes: 2 Lower Dakota Territory ADL every time for a huntin' rig....at least for my stuff. I've converted several BDL stocks to ADL style. It's too bad Greyboe doesn't offer an ADL....I talked with them about it but their molds don't work for the ADL's. -Al Forbidden Zoner

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134490 01/21/24 Joined: Aug 2023 Posts: 499 Alberta RemingtonPeters Campfire Member RemingtonPeters Campfire Member Joined: Aug 2023 Posts: 499 Alberta I’m glad 10 round dangling dbm wasn’t an option.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19134492 01/21/24 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,941 Likes: 3 Georgia J JMR40 Campfire Outfitter JMR40 Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,941 Likes: 3 Georgia Prefer ADL. Simpler and lighter. Plus, I don't care for Remington bottom metal. On other rifles I don't mind a floorplate. In fact, I've become a fan of a DBM. Most people don't really want the truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19135898 01/22/24 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 4,925 seattle, wa, usa O okie john Campfire Tracker okie john Campfire Tracker O Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 4,925 seattle, wa, usa ADL vs. BDL isn't a big deal in my book. It's easier to dry out a BDL-style rifle after it's been out in heavy rain and ADL-style rifles tend to be less expensive. Okie John Originally Posted by Brad If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19135938 01/22/24 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,556 In the vicinity of dandihood H horse1 Campfire Outfitter horse1 Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,556 In the vicinity of dandihood Given the choice of 2 identical rifles on the shelf, I'd nab the blind bottom every time. That said, I live and hunt in areas that allow one to leave rounds in the belly in or out of the vehicle, so, its actually pretty rare that I DON'T have rounds in the magazine during season. Meaning I don't have to empty the magazine until season is over and the rifle is headed for the safe for a while. I've only "mag-dumped" a hinged floor-plate once. I had a dead elk that decided to un-dead itself. I had the rifle sitting on the toe of the stock and a set of bipods. When I picked up the rifle, I tripped the release button on my M70 Classic SS. In the grand scheme, the elk died for good a few seconds later but it made things more sporting than they needed to be for a quick second. Last edited by horse1; 01/22/24. I can walk on water.......................but I do stagger a bit on alcohol.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19135968 01/22/24 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,937 Likes: 12 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,937 Likes: 12 Originally Posted by Kenneth “Often”, I don’t open the floor plate often, but percentage wise, when I do, it happens too often. If your spring and follower are landing on the ground often, there may be other issues to address. That shouldn’t be happening.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19136039 01/22/24 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,089 D DonFischer Campfire Regular DonFischer Campfire Regular D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,089 I don't know that I prefer one over the other. Have both. Seems my favorite riles have seldom had floor plates And I don't find them good or bad. Never had a floor plate fall open on me and never had one fall out unloading a rifle. Then again I keep one hand on the floor plate and don't allow it to fall open. I think if you just let it drop open your asking for trouble. Also if it falls open then the ammo in it all goes on the ground! I hate it if a case hits the ground! Even when I shoot an animal I use my free hand to catch the mty coming out.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19136088 01/22/24 Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,754 Likes: 4 pa dave7mm Campfire Outfitter dave7mm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,754 Likes: 4 pa Originally Posted by Kenneth Your thoughts please. Have always prefed BDL. Never cared to Jack all the shells through the gun to empty it. Every time you empty the gun you got to jack more shells Push a button and dump the shells in hand. Works Everytime. Dave Only accurate rifles are interesting.

Re: ADL or BDL? AKwolverine #19136095 01/22/24 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,278 Concord, NH T Technoman26 Campfire Tracker Technoman26 Campfire Tracker T Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,278 Concord, NH Originally Posted by AKwolverine Originally Posted by Kenneth “Often”, I don’t open the floor plate often, but percentage wise, when I do, it happens too often. If your spring and follower are landing on the ground often, there may be other issues to address. That shouldn’t be happening. My thoughts too. I can't ever remember having a spring or follower come off a floorplate on several rifle brands I've owned in BDL configuration. Heck, I'm not sure I've ever dropped a round on the ground either in 40 years of hunting with BDL rifles. I don't care for having to run the bolt to unload, so put me in the BDL group.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19136097 01/22/24 Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,802 SW Montana buffybr Campfire Regular buffybr Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,802 SW Montana My first centerfire rifle was a Herter's Model U-9 with a hinged floorplate. It was another 10 years before I bought another rifle, and then I got two Mauser Mark X rifles with hinged floorplates. I got used to them. Then another 30 years later I bought a Rem 700 ADL. I only had that rifle for a few years until I replaced it with a Rem 700 BDL, paartly because I wanted the hinged floorplate. Since then I bought another Rem 700 BDL, another Mauser with a hinged floorplate, and 3 Wby Vanguards with hinged floorplates. SAVE 200 ELK, KILL A WOLF NRA Endowment Life Member

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19141613 01/23/24 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,106 Kodiak & AZ D dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,106 Kodiak & AZ Is ADL and BDL an acronym for something? NRA Benefactor Member Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19141632 01/23/24 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri Originally Posted by Kenneth “Often”, I don’t open the floor plate often, but percentage wise, when I do, it happens too often. Sounds like a trip to the mechanic is in order. Never seen this in many times of dropping a floorplate on Remington, Ruger or Winchester rifles. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: ADL or BDL? dennisinaz #19141677 01/23/24 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,937 Likes: 12 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,937 Likes: 12 Originally Posted by dennisinaz Is ADL and BDL an acronym for something? Average deluxe; better deluxe.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19141687 01/23/24 Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,864 Anchorage, AK D DanInAlaska Campfire Regular DanInAlaska Campfire Regular D Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,864 Anchorage, AK I have plenty of both, ADL and BDL, and I prefer a blind magazine on a hunting rig. I have a few with DBMs, as well, but I've never warmed up to them. None of my DBMs were flush fitting, so that might change things. The magazine hanging down is just awkward. Edited to add... Well, actually, my Ruger American Ranch has a flush BDM. I don't have any qualms with it. Last edited by DanInAlaska; 01/23/24. Thoroughly enjoying Alaska since 2001.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19141731 01/24/24 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 541 Anchorage, AK JimInAK Campfire Regular JimInAK Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 541 Anchorage, AK Have both styles. Prefer ADL for hunting.

Re: ADL or BDL? AKwolverine #19142069 01/24/24 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,311 Likes: 2 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,311 Likes: 2 Northeast USA Originally Posted by AKwolverine Originally Posted by dennisinaz Is ADL and BDL an acronym for something? Average deluxe; better deluxe. No kidding. Learning has occurred today Semper Fi

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19142769 01/24/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Patiently waiting for the Best Deluxe version

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19142858 01/24/24 Joined: Nov 2020 Posts: 545 west TN E EFHutton Campfire Regular EFHutton Campfire Regular E Joined: Nov 2020 Posts: 545 west TN ADL for sure

Re: ADL or BDL? AKwolverine #19143092 01/24/24 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 8,227 Likes: 1 PA Teeder Campfire Outfitter Teeder Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 8,227 Likes: 1 PA Originally Posted by AKwolverine Adl with a stock designed as adl - ks, montana, ula/nula. +1!

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19143369 01/24/24 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,713 Likes: 1 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,713 Likes: 1 ms I have both and for hunting I slightly prefer the BDL. At the truck, with my left hand covering the ejection port, I extract the round in the chamber with the rifle pointed up. Then I lay the rifle down on the front seat with the bolt still open and pop the floorplate to drop the cartridges that were in the magazine on the seat. With the ADL rifles I have, I eject the chambered round with my left hand guarding the ejection port to catch it. The rounds in the magazine are then worked with the bolt only enough to pop them free of the feed rails. I’ve seen some guys work those rounds through the chamber but that’s totally unnecessary. NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19143509 01/24/24 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,217 OMAHA 260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana 260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,217 OMAHA I prefer hinged floorplate BDL style bottom metal to the blind magazine ADL style. I'm not a huge fan of detachable magazines in bolt actions, but have a few and they work okay. I think that the Ruger Americans would have been better if they had had a blind, staggered, magazines in lieu of the detachable rotary magazines. I've yet to have a hinged floorplate open up on me while hunting, but I can see where it could happen. I don't find that moving from one style to another is troublesome, but whatever moves you is the way that you should go.

Re: ADL or BDL? navlav8r #19143543 01/24/24 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri Originally Posted by navlav8r I have both and for hunting I slightly prefer the BDL. At the truck, with my left hand covering the ejection port, I extract the round in the chamber with the rifle pointed up. Then I lay the rifle down on the front seat with the bolt still open and pop the floorplate to drop the cartridges that were in the magazine on the seat. With the ADL rifles I have, I eject the chambered round with my left hand guarding the ejection port to catch it. The rounds in the magazine are then worked with the bolt only enough to pop them free of the feed rails. I’ve seen some guys work those rounds through the chamber but that’s totally unnecessary. Amazing how many cannot figure out how to easily unload a blind magazine. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: ADL or BDL? 10gaugemag #19143599 01/24/24 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 8,227 Likes: 1 PA Teeder Campfire Outfitter Teeder Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 8,227 Likes: 1 PA Originally Posted by 10gaugemag Originally Posted by navlav8r I have both and for hunting I slightly prefer the BDL. At the truck, with my left hand covering the ejection port, I extract the round in the chamber with the rifle pointed up. Then I lay the rifle down on the front seat with the bolt still open and pop the floorplate to drop the cartridges that were in the magazine on the seat. With the ADL rifles I have, I eject the chambered round with my left hand guarding the ejection port to catch it. The rounds in the magazine are then worked with the bolt only enough to pop them free of the feed rails. I’ve seen some guys work those rounds through the chamber but that’s totally unnecessary. Amazing how many cannot figure out how to easily unload a blind magazine. +1. I've been doing as described for decades.

Re: ADL or BDL? navlav8r #19145312 01/24/24 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,268 West Slope of Colorado A alpinecrick Campfire Ranger alpinecrick Campfire Ranger A Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,268 West Slope of Colorado Originally Posted by navlav8r I’ve seen some guys work those rounds through the chamber but that’s totally unnecessary. And then close the bolt and thoughtlessly pull the trigger……which has contributed to a lot of alleged “accidental discharges”. It’s plumb amazing how many folks don’t know how to safely unload a blind box mag. I use the same technique as you describe, takes a few seconds to accomplish. If given a choice I’ll take the ADL. More simple, nicer to carry, and if the stock is designed as an ADL slightly stronger. Casey Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19145363 01/25/24 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,787 Ready Campfire Tracker Ready Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,787 Based on logic, I prefer ADL. Everytime, I am in the field with an ADL-type rifle, I find myself wishing for the BDL, when unloading. A mind is a terrible thing... Member of the Merry Band of turdlike People.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19145497 01/25/24 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,384 N.E. Mn./ Mt H handwerk Campfire Tracker handwerk Campfire Tracker H Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,384 N.E. Mn./ Mt I like BDL ( Oberndorf style) with winchester 3 position safety. Seems it's much easier and safer for kids to learn as well.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19145606 01/25/24 Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 19,212 The Pennyrile of Kentucky JamesJr Campfire Ranger JamesJr Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 19,212 The Pennyrile of Kentucky I have hunted with Remington 700 BDL's, as well as many other rifles with floorplates for almost 50 years, and have yet to accidently dump my shells. While I don't really care whether a rifle is an ADL or BDL style, I prefer the BDL's.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19145648 01/25/24 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 10,442 Likes: 1 NE South Dakota Bugger Campfire Outfitter Bugger Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2014 Posts: 10,442 Likes: 1 NE South Dakota I like and own both. Good choices either one. I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally

Re: ADL or BDL? JamesJr #19145699 01/25/24 Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 11,952 NB / Canada SuperCub Campfire Outfitter SuperCub Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 11,952 NB / Canada Originally Posted by JamesJr I have hunted with Remington 700 BDL's, as well as many other rifles with floorplates for almost 50 years, and have yet to accidently dump my shells. While I don't really care whether a rifle is an ADL or BDL style, I prefer the BDL's. What he said! ^^

Re: ADL or BDL? prairie_goat #19145754 01/25/24 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,764 Likes: 1 J JCMCUBIC Campfire Outfitter JCMCUBIC Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,764 Likes: 1 Originally Posted by prairie_goat Originally Posted by AKwolverine Adl with a stock designed as adl - ks, montana, ula/nula. Good point. An ADL on a stock that is "squared off" on the bottom to handle the BDL bottom metal doesn't feel right in the hand in ADL configuration. A bunch of Manners' stocks are like this. On the other hand the stocks you mentioned are more rounded under the action and carry nicely in the hand. Yep to both. A slim, smooth, rounded under action, blind mag stock feels best in my hand when carrying. Blind mag in such a stock is my preference in a light rifle. I'm equal oppurtunity and use them all so I'm not arguing against BDL or DBM. Just have a preference for the specifics listed above in light rifles.

Re: ADL or BDL? RemingtonPeters #19145923 01/25/24 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Likes: 1 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by RemingtonPeters Either. Unloading an ADL is more time consuming. +1 "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: ADL or BDL? AKwolverine #19145972 01/25/24 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 4,925 seattle, wa, usa O okie john Campfire Tracker okie john Campfire Tracker O Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 4,925 seattle, wa, usa Originally Posted by AKwolverine Originally Posted by dennisinaz Is ADL and BDL an acronym for something? Average deluxe; better deluxe. They're Remington model designations. There's also a CDL, or custom deluxe. Okie John Originally Posted by Brad If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19145997 01/25/24 Joined: May 2023 Posts: 839 Likes: 1 NW FL R Rapier Campfire Regular Rapier Campfire Regular R Joined: May 2023 Posts: 839 Likes: 1 NW FL Not a hill of beans difference in real use for hunters or woods folks, they do not dump a mag full of loaded ammo in any case. Anyone that tries the unloading trick once and gets loaded cartridges in the dirt, does not do that marketing wonder crap again. They bolt the ammo out from then on. The magic of marketing has made the BDL style retain a higher resale value. Pretty much it's only actual claim to a factual small advantage. “To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is best to plan for all eventualities then believe in success, and only cross the failure bridge if you come to it." Francis Marion - The Swamp Fox

Re: ADL or BDL? 10gaugemag #19147931 01/25/24 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,713 Likes: 1 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,713 Likes: 1 ms Originally Posted by 10gaugemag Originally Posted by navlav8r I have both and for hunting I slightly prefer the BDL. At the truck, with my left hand covering the ejection port, I extract the round in the chamber with the rifle pointed up. Then I lay the rifle down on the front seat with the bolt still open and pop the floorplate to drop the cartridges that were in the magazine on the seat. With the ADL rifles I have, I eject the chambered round with my left hand guarding the ejection port to catch it. The rounds in the magazine are then worked with the bolt only enough to pop them free of the feed rails. I’ve seen some guys work those rounds through the chamber but that’s totally unnecessary. Amazing how many cannot figure out how to easily unload a blind magazine. Did you read and comprehend what I wrote about unloading a blind magazine rifle. If you know a better way, let’s hear it. NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19148197 01/25/24 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,532 NORTHEAST GEORGIA K kandpand Campfire Tracker kandpand Campfire Tracker K Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,532 NORTHEAST GEORGIA I prefer the ADL. “Go afield with a good attitude, with respect for the forest and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person” -Fred Bear

Re: ADL or BDL? Rapier #19148326 01/25/24 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,217 OMAHA 260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana 260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,217 OMAHA Originally Posted by Rapier Not a hill of beans difference in real use for hunters or woods folks, they do not dump a mag full of loaded ammo in any case. Anyone that tries the unloading trick once and gets loaded cartridges in the dirt, does not do that marketing wonder crap again. They bolt the ammo out from then on. The magic of marketing has made the BDL style retain a higher resale value. Pretty much it's only actual claim to a factual small advantage. I guess that by your definition, I'm not a hunter 'cause I regularly dump the loaded magazine before I eject the round that's in the chamber. I may have dropped cartridges in the dirt a time or two, but when I did so it was my fault for not paying close enough attention to the job at hand, not because the design was flawed.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19154999 01/27/24 Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,345 Columbia, SC G GreggH Campfire Regular GreggH Campfire Regular G Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,345 Columbia, SC Have and use both with no problems, however, I prefer BDL. I started with them. No use for DBM. GreggH

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19155076 01/27/24 Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 26,107 W.V. D dave284 Campfire Ranger dave284 Campfire Ranger D Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 26,107 W.V. I've used both and prefer the BDL, hunting or otherwise. Never had the bottom metal to come open accidently that I can remember and I just catch the rounds in my hand to keep them from hitting the dirt when unloading. Someone commented about the rounded bottom of a well designed ADL stock feeling better when carrying the rifle at that point but can't say I ever gave it any thought. Maybe because I also carry lever action Marlins and Winchesters. Dave. Those who are always shooting off at the mouth usually aren't shooting straight. Build a man a fire and he’ll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life. www.wvcdl.org

Re: ADL or BDL? navlav8r #19155077 01/27/24 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri Originally Posted by navlav8r Originally Posted by 10gaugemag Originally Posted by navlav8r I have both and for hunting I slightly prefer the BDL. At the truck, with my left hand covering the ejection port, I extract the round in the chamber with the rifle pointed up. Then I lay the rifle down on the front seat with the bolt still open and pop the floorplate to drop the cartridges that were in the magazine on the seat. With the ADL rifles I have, I eject the chambered round with my left hand guarding the ejection port to catch it. The rounds in the magazine are then worked with the bolt only enough to pop them free of the feed rails. I’ve seen some guys work those rounds through the chamber but that’s totally unnecessary. Amazing how many cannot figure out how to easily unload a blind magazine. Did you read and comprehend what I wrote about unloading a blind magazine rifle. If you know a better way, let’s hear it. I did and was agreeing. But anyhow, have a nice day. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19155131 01/27/24 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,713 Likes: 1 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,713 Likes: 1 ms Ah….I initially read it the other way but now I understand how you meant it. My mistake. 😊 NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: ADL or BDL? navlav8r #19155178 01/27/24 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri Originally Posted by navlav8r Ah….I initially read it the other way but now I understand how you meant it. My mistake. 😊 I can see where it could be taken the opposite of how I meant it. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19155500 01/28/24 Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 5,027 Likes: 2 H Hogwild7 Campfire Tracker Hogwild7 Campfire Tracker H Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 5,027 Likes: 2 Every bolt action CF rifle I own is a BDL or rather a floor plate that opens. I have never in 40 years of hunting had the floor plate open unexpectedly and drop my ammo. Not once.

Re: ADL or BDL? Hogwild7 #19155519 01/28/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Someone else may have mentioned accidental mag drops, but it wasn’t me, Just to clarify. I may post a pic here this morning, My follower, spring and floorplate are not mechanically attached to each other in any shape or form, Are they supposed to be? Everything just slides together. So earlier that is why I mentioned items and shells hitting the floor when I open the floorplate.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19155969 01/28/24 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri Originally Posted by Kenneth Someone else may have mentioned accidental mag drops, but it wasn’t me, Just to clarify. I may post a pic here this morning, My follower, spring and floorplate are not mechanically attached to each other in any shape or form, Are they supposed to be? Everything just slides together. So earlier that is why I mentioned items and shells hitting the floor when I open the floorplate. Make and model? Never seen one that wasn't all "locked" together but that doesn't mean there isn't something like that in existence. Last edited by 10gaugemag; 01/28/24. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19155985 01/28/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Winchester ‘70

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19156002 01/28/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map The follower just slides in place, and also slides out of place……..

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19156008 01/28/24 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri Spring, floorplate and follower should all be slid together creating 1 piece. Last edited by 10gaugemag; 01/28/24. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: ADL or BDL? 10gaugemag #19156020 01/28/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Originally Posted by 10gaugemag Spring, floorplate and follower should all be slid together creating 1 piece. Yes, just seems to slide ‘out’ way to easily. Again, why I rarely use the floorplate

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19156040 01/28/24 Joined: May 2016 Posts: 3,736 Sandy, Utah J Jim_Knight Campfire Tracker Jim_Knight Campfire Tracker J Joined: May 2016 Posts: 3,736 Sandy, Utah I've used both, but prefer the BDL overall. The "worst" model is any of Remington's "Detachable Magazine", ruins how the bottom of receiver feels in my hand. Thats just me, my Afrikaner buddy likes them alot....but he is kinda strange anyhow, ha.

Re: ADL or BDL? Jim_Knight #19156050 01/28/24 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Kenneth OP Campfire Outfitter OP Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,544 Likes: 2 Edge of the map Originally Posted by Jim_Knight I've used both, but prefer the BDL overall. The "worst" model is any of Remington's "Detachable Magazine", ruins how the bottom of receiver feels in my hand. Thats just me, my Afrikaner buddy likes them alot....but he is kinda strange anyhow, ha. Same thoughts on Tikkas.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19157878 01/28/24 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,933 Likes: 2 Missouri Originally Posted by Kenneth Originally Posted by 10gaugemag Spring, floorplate and follower should all be slid together creating 1 piece. Yes, just seems to slide ‘out’ way to easily. Again, why I rarely use the floorplate Should be locked together. Last edited by 10gaugemag; 01/28/24. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19160218 01/29/24 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,713 Likes: 1 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,713 Likes: 1 ms Yep. If you look closely at Kenneth’s second photo, you can see the lips on the follower and the floor plate that keep the follower, the spring and the floor plate together. NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19160666 01/29/24 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 456 Texas P PatB Campfire Member PatB Campfire Member P Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 456 Texas On the end of the magazine spring that goes into the follower put it in a vise or pliers will do.. The last 1/4'' or is what you're grabbing.. Then bend it up slightly. When you reinstall this modified spring in the floor plate the bent spring will hold the floor plate in place .. Originally Posted by Kenneth The follower just slides in place, and also slides out of place……..

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19160748 01/29/24 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 6,855 Likes: 1 Tallahassee, Florida 257Bob Campfire Tracker 257Bob Campfire Tracker Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 6,855 Likes: 1 Tallahassee, Florida ADLs can be touch if you have a jam, you may need to remove the stock to work it out. I like BDLs on fine hunting rifles, like Win 70s, but lately I've gone Hunter DBM flush fit on my rifles.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19161731 01/29/24 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,444 Likes: 2 Lower Dakota Territory Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Al_Nyhus Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,444 Likes: 2 Lower Dakota Territory Originally Posted by Kenneth The follower just slides in place, and also slides out of place…….. That's how the factory made them. The mag box is a snap fit into the cut in the receiver. -Al Forbidden Zoner

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19181834 02/05/24 Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 19 Chehalis skywag New Member skywag New Member Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 19 Chehalis Neither...............I much prefer the wood on the CDL. https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=remington%20700%20cdl&Sort=13

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19182962 02/05/24 Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,457 Likes: 2 State of Jefferson T T_O_M Campfire Outfitter T_O_M Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,457 Likes: 2 State of Jefferson Originally Posted by Kenneth Your thoughts please. BDL is fine when it works right. My last 2 Remington 700s in somewhat sporty recoiling cartridges (last was a .300 win mag, I forget what the other was .. could have been 7mm rem mag) would dump the magazine under recoil. My current hunting bolt action is a Kimber mountain ascent .. adl setup. I haven't had any issues with Win 70s .. might be the best o' the bunch. I like the BDL setup in lighter recoiling cartridges especially the .223 family 'cause when I'm shooting varmints every other shot I can just flip the rifle on its back, pop the latch, add 2 more cartridges, close it up, and not have to cycle the bolt. Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip. Here be dragons ...

Re: ADL or BDL? 257Bob #19183574 02/05/24 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 23,686 Likes: 1 western VA J jackmountain Campfire Ranger jackmountain Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 23,686 Likes: 1 western VA Originally Posted by 257Bob ADLs can be touch if you have a jam, you may need to remove the stock to work it out. I like BDLs on fine hunting rifles, like Win 70s, but lately I've gone Hunter DBM flush fit on my rifles. For utility it’s hard to beat a DBM. For carrying through the mountains it’s hard to beat a blind magazine.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19184199 02/05/24 Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,714 Likes: 2 duke61 Campfire Regular duke61 Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,714 Likes: 2 Only have one ADL rest all BDL, they are easier to unload/dump ammo, never had any open under recoil yet.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19186078 02/06/24 Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 8,911 Likes: 2 M Magnum_Bob Campfire Outfitter Magnum_Bob Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 8,911 Likes: 2 To much whining going on here. Like them all especially c prefix and older with walker triggers and pressed checkering never had a problem. .mb " Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19186598 02/06/24 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,732 Likes: 3 Either Texas or Idaho E EdM Campfire 'Bwana EdM Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,732 Likes: 3 Either Texas or Idaho I have zero issue with either owning a number of both. Conduct is the best proof of character.

Re: ADL or BDL? Kenneth #19192474 02/08/24 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 11,777 Minnesota D dale06 Campfire Outfitter dale06 Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 11,777 Minnesota Have both, like both. If I could have only one, ADL. NRA Patron