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You mean to tell us all the pearl clutching no nothing tards around here were wrong again?

I'm shocked

Darwinism Wins Again!!! 😂

The rock star formerly known as Prince?

Yep. Dumbass OD’d.

Made me chuckle!

I'm sorry to hear that morphine in a hospital situation gives you hallucinations. I sincerely hope you have no need for major surgery again then.

Morphine is a completely different drug than the ones I was discussing. Judging by your reaction to them versus the reaction by myself, wife, relatives, and friends through multiple major surgeries one might surmise you to be a bit of an outlier and one or two pills may be a "heavy dose" for you. You probably are doing well to avoid them then.

There is definitely still more to this story to come.

Who or where was the source of the fentanyl? Mexican/chinese pills, "diverted" from a hospital(IV form), or "homegrown" in a lab somehow?

If the latter, was the host of the party "Betty Crocker"? (a regular user and that was why he survived ("tolerance") while the others passed out in the cold and died? How much alcohol was involved? That would just magnify the respiratory depression of the narcotics and be another reason for their unconsciousness. Plenty of acutely inebriated people have succumbed to cold temperatures in the past... nothing new there(no narcotics required!)

Why did they not just pass out in the living room or somewhere else in the house? Did the host kick them out in a stupor?

I thought it was interesting that somewhere it was reported that the homeowner admitted himself to "rehab" right after the incident. That has been a convenient way for some health care professionals abusing/diverting IV fentanyl/sufrentanil/dilaudid to avoid the immediate loss of their jobs if they were "caught" outright vs admitting themselves beforehand and confessing which seems to illicit more "sympathy" for some reason (acknowledging their disease as if it overshadows their crime diverting from patients who are unknowingly dependent and vulnerable under their provider's care).

Will they be able to determine the actual "primary" cause of death... respiratory depression vs hypothermia. Subtle but might be significant in negligent homicide/murder charges if any arise based on additional information.

What else can the other surviving member of the party add to the above questions, ie. was he participating at all in the illicit drug use? Could he have been the source of the fentanyl and left the house before the others were using? Will he even talk?

Lots of possibilities still, including even criminal charges for someone directly or indirectly involved.

Sad story and all to common in today's America. I'd chalk it up simply to "natural selection" working on the gene pool if there were not so many family members, children(dependents), etc. involved. At some point we as a society have to quit blaming all of the usual bad guys (Chinese, cartels, etc.) and look in the mirror... there are too many willing and enthusiastic "consumers" driving the supply in our Country... every bit as big a problem as the bad guys. Victimhood rears its ugly head again but the truth does not suffer fools.

I agree with both of y'all. I just had knee surgery 5 days ago and it's no fun. After reading through the thread I took a look at the prescription stuff the doc gave me...in small letters it says common brand:percocet 10-325. So far when I take one it's during the middle of the night and they knock me down hard - so for me I would call one pill a heavy dose. I never take anything, not even aspirin so I will assume my tolerance is low, especially since I'm only 160lbs soaking wet. I had a follow up this morning and he asked if I needed more, uhh no thanks I still got more than I think should of been prescribed in the first place and the rest will end up in the toilet. But don't get me wrong, for the last 5 days I'm glad I had them.
Now, with that being said, I can't imagine what it must be like for someone to take these things along with cocaine and alcohol, especially if it's something homemade and not prescription. Sounds like it's a very very very bad combination of factors with a high probability of having the worst outcome, which is what seems to have happened to the 3 young men. Im no expert on these things so maybe I'm wrong, just my opinion.

Well written, lundtroller. The tox screen mentioned THC, cocaine and Fentanyl. But, what about alcohol? It is hard to imagine a football party where they weren't drinking lots of beer. As you stated, alcohol exacerbates the effects of Fentanyl.
A Fentanyl OD, combined with some booze would cause a person to stop breathing. These guys didn't "freeze to death" it was a low of only 28 degrees that night. A guy is getting drowsy out there on the porch, and he gets cold, if he has to he will bust out a window to the house and let himself in to warm up. These guys died of respiratory arrest.

Pretty much covers it.

The driving force behind the illegal narcotics trade. And this is merely a drop in a huge bucket.



L.W.

Don't be throwing away those Pharmacy meds the doc gave you save them for a hunting trip or two or three I've had some from way back in the day I'm talking 15 years old help your ass out with your broken foot on a trip

Couple outpatient surgeries.
Drs gave me scrip for painkillers.
Didnt take em.

Painkillers dont work on me.
Prev surgery proved it.

Wife and I were both prescribed narkies post surgery. Neither of us took any, and we simply returned the unopened bottles back to the pharmacy. They say do NOT flush them down the toilet because it can eventually get back into the drinking water systems. All water is eventually recycled, you know.

As to the KC guys, many of us have said all along it was a FAFO deal.

No thanks! I will figure out how to get to the orthopedist and get my foot fixed. And I won't be taking anything harder than Advil after.

I would rather suffer the foot pain than the gut pain after six days without a dump.

After my rotator cuff surgery, I had a couple guys at work begging to BUY those left over Percocets and Hydrocodone.

No way was that happening. They went into the toilet.

I have read that some city sewer systems get pretty loaded up with various opioids. I was under the impression that most of it was sourced from human waste.

I have spent my life on a septic system and drain field. I don't think the stuff is getting back to the river.

10's are fairly strong, if they knock you down good you could always cut them in half. Ask your doc for 5mg ones if you ever have to have surgery again .

I was prescribed, 20 I think, of the 10mg percocets after my recent shoulder surgery, then the next prescription was for 5mg Vicodin (Norco) . Much less in the way of knocking one out. Haven't had to take many, as the Tylenol helps when needed. I've even been told I can cut the 5mg ones in half to alleviate the pain involved with PT. Not sure about you, but I tend to take the PT seriously and perhaps almost push it to the overdoing stage.

Talk to you surgeon, Mine at least have been helpful and would prefer not to have their patients overusing the dang things.

Good luck with your knee.

Rather than flushing, in some areas the Sheriff or PD's have places to turn in prescription drugs of all sorts.

Pharmacies too. Although around here they don't take liquids or gels unfortunately.

Besides the narcotic type stuff getting into the water supply, the steroids and other hormones are showing up in a lot of places.

Doesn't do much good when one can turn in their pills but they have to send their steroid ointments to a landfill............or worse have bubba dumping his trash out in a field somewhere.

Oh well, first world problems, eh?

Nobody has the answers, but don't let that stop you.

P Weed: You are unable to "stop me" - but that is NOT surprising.
I thought the "answers" were indeed out there - from the preliminary autopsy results - fentanyl, cocaine, THC and one other unidentified substance. The fentanyl was said to be 10 (ten) times the lethal dosage.
Hows that for an "answer"?
Shame and sad they are dead but if you play with the bull sometimes you get the horn.
Hold into the wind
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