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Well any one have one?



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On the list. Have 22 Creedmoor in a bolt action



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Still like my 224 Valkyrie

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I’m slow rolling one. I did the 6 ARC and bought the Brownell’s/Faxson 1:8 twist barrel. It likes 95 grr Hornady SST’s, but that’s about it. I want to read reports on different 22 ARC barrels from real users, before I finish my build up. I’m waiting on my last part for my lower to come in and I’ll finish it. I’m going between a 20” and 22” barrel, as I want a more precision style AR for this build. If I don’t finish it for another year, I’m not sweating it.

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I have one up and running.

Saturn 20" Barrel

I did a Re-Barrel on a precision 204 Ruger Build.


So far I have managed to come up with Three Box's of Hornady 75 ELD-M Ammunition, and Two Box's of 88 ELD-M Ammunition. I have a Hornady Die set, and Hornady Case Gauge. So far I have only fired 20 rounds through it. Looks like it will be a shooter. Now I need some nice weather without other priorities getting in the way.

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Originally Posted by Viper225
I have one up and running.

Saturn 20" Barrel

I did a Re-Barrel on a precision 204 Ruger Build.


So far I have managed to come up with Three Box's of Hornady 75 ELD-M Ammunition, and Two Box's of 88 ELD-M Ammunition. I have a Hornady Die set, and Hornady Case Gauge. So far I have only fired 20 rounds through it. Looks like it will be a shooter. Now I need some nice weather without other priorities getting in the way.

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I’ve been eyeing the Satern barrel that you have. I’ve got too much stuff going on at the moment to order one. If I don’t get it finished until next year, no sweat.

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I have quite a fhuqking few 22 PPC AFI's in both Krunchenticker and Turnbolt. It is simply fhuqking SENSATIONAL. Hint.

Pass the 88's or 90 Beer Cans. Hint.

As an aside,I shoot multiple 7" RPM 22-250's,22-250 AI's and Speedmires. The ValCry is a Goat fhuqk. Hint...........


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This is a bit off on a tangent but what speeds does an 88 eld make in the ARC vs a 223. Not talking about AR mag confines, just in general

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Figure a 100fps velocity advantage in the ARC,due it's larger vessel. Hint.

Conjoin same,with the shorter case length and the ARC is very much at home in AR mag confines and especially so,when talking ASC's. Hint.

The .225" case length advantage,plays well everywhere,whether Krunchenticker or Turnbolt. It takes a 223 AICS mag at 2.550" COAL,to "equal" an ASC Krunchenticker mag's confines and still run slower,due ARC case capacity. Hint.

Teeker CTR 223 mags go 2.600",but are hindered by 8" RPM,which means a 75 ELD ceiling. I have (5) of them(8" Teeker 223's). Hint.

The ARC gets the RPM advantage,case length advantage,case capacity advantage and roll off the floor twisted 1-7" if not better( I drive 6.5" too). Hint.

Sadly,the 223 isn't twisted or housed nicely in regards to COAL anywhere. ARC's are,by literal default. No thang to squirt 90 Beer Cans,in an ARC Krunchenticker and I do. Hint.

The PPC's have shown rather nicely,for a goodly while and Improving same,while fielding sensational brass,do connect ALL dots. The 22 PPC AFI is a fhuqking Giant Killer and easily arranged. Hint.

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Good info Stick.

Just trying to figure if I need a 22 ARC or just put a 7 twist barrel on a .378 rem and give it mag room to breathe.

Leaning towards a new 1 in 7 barrel on on one of my 223s. Not discounting the extra gas of the ARC but I've got a lot of 223 brass and a 223 ai that is close to needing rebarreling. It's an adl with a shimmed box and I think I can fit 88s in it.

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I savvy and have lots of both. Hint.

I've 7" RPM 223 and 223AI Turnbolts,with a Mike Rock Montucky setting the pace. My 7" RPM Hawk Hill 223 SALAMI is fhuqking AMAZING and billed in accordance. Hint.

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The ARC is a mechanically superior Mouse Trap,if only because I fhuqking shoot them all. Hint...........


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Teeker CTR 223 mags go 2.600",but are hindered by 8" RPM,which means a 75 ELD ceiling. I have (5) of them(8" Teeker 223's). Hint.
A 1/8 will steer a 80 ELD just fine.


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Folks who actually shoot,know that the modet BC increase from 75 ELD to 80 ELD,is negated by the increase in mass. I also muchly prefer 75 terminal effects. Now you can say you've "seen" one. Pardon wares that exist and the simplistic fact,that I shoot it all and then some. Hint.

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The only things you "shoot",are your mouth and Imagination. Stay to stealing pics and "living" vicariously,despite it being your only "move"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint.

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Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............


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Whatever, Fugstick. 75 is not a "ceiling".


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Sweetheart,

The 75 ELD M is absolutely the Performace ceiling,in said chambering(s),at 8" RPM. Not that I don't get a kick out of your Drooling Dumbfhuqktitude,as you TRY to talk about wares you've never even seen,let alone "shot". Hint.

As case capacity increases and namely in Speedmire,the game changes,as 88's become viable. Not that you've ever seen or "shot" one of those either. Pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud and I simply shoot it all and then some. Hint.

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The only things you "shoot",are your mouth and Imagination. Stay to stealing pics and "living" vicariously,despite it being your only "move"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint.

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Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I savvy and have lots of both. Hint.

I've 7" RPM 223 and 223AI Turnbolts,with a Mike Rock Montucky setting the pace. My 7" RPM Hawk Hill 223 SALAMI is fhuqking AMAZING and billed in accordance. Hint.

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you posted what you call your dick on one of your rifles???

Bold move Stumpy... Bold Move.... "Fhuqking LAUGHING!"


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why do they not ban stick? If he has any knowledge, it is lost in the stupidity of the way he posts it!


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Are you a Democrat?

"Why don't we ban people who don't agree with us?"

Seriously?

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why do they not ban stick? If he has any knowledge, it is lost in the stupidity of the way he posts it!


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Originally Posted by David_Walter
Are you a Democrat?

"Why don't we ban people who don't agree with us?"

Seriously?

Originally Posted by Ridge_Runner
why do they not ban stick? If he has any knowledge, it is lost in the stupidity of the way he posts it!
really? yes really do you have any idea how many people with little firearm knowledge close the forum ending up dumber than they were when they logged on! HINT!


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Originally Posted by Ridge_Runner
Originally Posted by David_Walter
Are you a Democrat?

"Why don't we ban people who don't agree with us?"

Seriously?

Originally Posted by Ridge_Runner
why do they not ban stick? If he has any knowledge, it is lost in the stupidity of the way he posts it!
really? yes really do you have any idea how many people with little firearm knowledge close the forum ending up dumber than they were when they logged on! HINT!

It is not the forum's job to protect the ignorant. And if someone can't learn from Stick (assuming they're a beginner/low experience to begin with) then they're likely going to struggle even if he was 100% Queen's English in his posts.


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Sweetheart,

The 75 ELD M is absolutely the Performace ceiling,in said chambering(s),at 8" RPM. Not that I don't get a kick out of your Drooling Dumbfhuqktitude,as you TRY to talk about wares you've never even seen,let alone "shot". Hint.
No. The 80 shoots a little slower, but the wind difference between the 2 is so close to zero as to be irrelevant.

You should try real target shooting sometime instead of just busting Chevy-sized rocks.


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I shoot 88 quite well out of a 22-250 chamber. with an eight twist don't know about the same twist in an arc. never tried it in a 5.56 with 80's or 88's I do shot a lot of 75's in such chambered I do have them twisted down to a 7

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You want to ban people you don’t agree with you to protect the uninformed from themselves?

AOC, that you? Dr Fauci? Hillary? Hello? Hello??

Originally Posted by Ridge_Runner
Originally Posted by David_Walter
Are you a Democrat?

"Why don't we ban people who don't agree with us?"

Seriously?

Originally Posted by Ridge_Runner
why do they not ban stick? If he has any knowledge, it is lost in the stupidity of the way he posts it!
really? yes really do you have any idea how many people with little firearm knowledge close the forum ending up dumber than they were when they logged on! HINT!


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Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some,while Fhuqking Dreamers play along. Hint.

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Luckily for you Crying Kchunts,Imagination and Pretend are free. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................


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Come on, Fug Stick, show us your "numbers" that prove your point. I know, it's difficult to get numbers when your target is 200 MOA and your 1/4 MOA rifle shoots 4 MOA.


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VELOCITY NUMBERS

Rifle 20" Saturn/Liberty Barreled AR15.

Hornady Factory 75 ELD-Match #81541 Lot# 3234519
Factory Advertised Velocity (24" Test Barrel) 3075 FPS

Test One
Shooting from indoors 65 Degree Building. Outdoor Conditions Blue Cold and Heavy Fog.

Three Rounds Fired: Average Velocity: 2949 FPS SD: 4.8 (I Believe, I pitched that note with SD Numbers)

Test Two
Shooting from indoors 65 Degree Building. Nice clear February day, app 50 degrees outdoors.

Five Round Fired: Average Velocity: 2964 FPS SD: 5.2

Test Three
My reloads:
Hornady 75 ELD-M Bullets
Hornady Once Fired Brass
Remington 7.5 BR Primers
Powder CFE 223
Charge: 30.2

Shooting from indoors 65 Degree Building. Nice clear February day app 50 degrees out doors.
Five Rounds Fired: Average Velocity: 2887 FPS SD: 7.6

This was the highest Velocity Load listed in the Hodgdon Load Data with a 75 grain bullet. It was listed pretty much duplicating the Factory Hornady 75 ELD-M Velocity of (3075 FPS with a 24" Barrel). Hodgdon listed 30.2 Grains of CFE 223 at (3074 FPS from a 24" Test Barrel). Apparently my lot of CFE 223 is slow. I have room in the case for more powder, so I am sure that I can wind it up a little more. NOTE: I will be staying below factory velocity's. I am getting swipe marks on pretty much all of my factory brass. The factory loads are loaded warm. The Primer pockets appear to me to be a little loose. Not trashed, but not snug either. I will check this a little closer shortly. I have 50 rounds of factory ammunition left. I plan to pull the Bullets on all of it, and reload it with loads light enough to not be getting swipe marks. This should give me a handle on if the factory loads are loosening up the primer pockets, or if the Hornady Primer Pockets are not real snug to start with. I would like to get several reloads out of these cases while I am waiting for Brass to show up on the shelf.

Hornady Factory 88 ELD-Match #81543 Lot# 3240011
Factory Advertised Velocity (24" Test Barrel) 2820 FPS

Test One
Five Rounds Fired: Average Velocity: 2700 FPS SD: 14.9 ( Actual Garman Velocity Numbers 2699.9)

So Far I have not came across any of the 62 ELD-VT Ammunition to test.
I do however have a box of the 62 ELD-VT Bullets to load. Two of my local dealers have gotten them in.

Which Load to use will depend on what the shooter is doing. I tend to agree with Big Stick, for what I do the 75 ELD-Match Bullet is a best choice. Run the Numbers and compare the results. Both the Drop and Wind numbers are good. However I have lots of the Berger 80 VLD's and Hornady 80 A Max bullets for my F-Class Bolt Gun in 223 Remington that I need to be using up. I do have a new box of 80 ELD-M bullets to work with also. I also need to test the new 62 ELD-VT Bullets.

My load development will probably be slowed down due to my Compass Lake 6.5 Grendel Barrel being delivered last week. One of the last ones out the door to the public. I will have it up and running this afternoon. I need to be loading for it also.

Bob R

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Pardon wares that exist. Hint.

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how does the 22 ARC stack up against the 22 BR in a bolt gun when running the same twist..

I'm looking at it a 22 ARC is basically a 22 PPC so it would fall just a bit short of the BR?

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Very much birds of a feather,performance wise. Hint.

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ARC is an Improved PPC,which helps the cause. The ARC/Grendel plays nice in both Krunchenticker boltfaces,as well as their mag confines. Hint.

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6 PPC/6 ARC. Hint.

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Deviations of the Theme. Hint.

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