Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Ca ammo ban back in effect 2-5-24

The only ones who deserve it, are the dumbasses that vote for it.

Deserve is probably a bad word to use but no one who lives there should be surprised.


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There were people in California that expressed dismay that the ammo companies didn't defy the law and simply ship the ammo. Emphasis mine - The thought being "You should have kept sending ammo, at risk of felonies, .gov shut down and how that affects your employees and incarceration and PAY for all that." instead of either moving to another more free state or solving the issue internally.

Not saying Mannlicher's brush wasn't broad but it's not entirely wrong. The expectation that the rest of the US takes on the man on their behalf is a bit misplaced too. You KNOW the environment there for shooters/hunters and stay. You may have reasons to stay that are very valid but it's a personal Maslow's hierarchy for you.

Good thing our founding fathers didn't think like that...

Californians have a choice. Fight for their rights or leave and let the commies win. If the commies win, the question will be which state do they pick on next?

We all have a choice. We either help our shooting friends in California or we pick on them for being stuck there.

If any of you men out there in red, shading toward purple, trending toward blue states thinks this can't happen to you...wake up, this is a DIRECT result of uncontrolled brown immigration. You can blame it on white suburban Karens if it makes you feel better...but you are dead wrong. First comes immigration, then comes motor voter, then comes Dem majority state legislatures, Dem Governor. So went California, so now we are a white minority (38%) with the result of laws like this.
Earl Warren, Richard Nixon, Reagan and a long list of Republican governors until 2011...so what changed? Immigracion, mi amigos.
Uncontrolled immigration will make your state blue in the long term, and you business owners that ignore immigrant employment laws are just as guilty as the Federal government.

Well to buy ammo for one. LMAO CA folks are weird folks. Y'all deserve eachother.

Teal, just to clarify..

I never suggested ammo distributors should have kept shipping ammo to CA outside of the law. My point is it was still perfectly legal to ship ammo to CA, it just had to go to an FFL instead of a home.

Ship to one address or simply ship to another..not really a huge deal to me..?

But so many were very quick to say nope not gonna do it no matter what! It’s a source of satisfaction to them I suppose to thumb their noses at shooters fighting behind enemy lines…

It’s coming for us all but jerkoffs on here still love their virtue signaling more than anything

Just remember Gavin tbanks you all for your compliance

bsa,

according to everything I've been able to find out, it is not a felony. But, if concerned, you or anyone else may want to contact an attorney and check my research

from the penal code


https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-30314/

Ok - that makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification. But also - on the shipper's end, shipping to the FFL does require documentation and doc retention they never had in the past. I don't know what the mark up is on ammo but now you need an entire system to verify that a CA shipment is going to a valid FFL and retain proof of said. Something they've never had to do before. Likely requires another FTE or investment in SaaS, things they never had to do before. Doing that for 1-2% mark up?

I get your point but realize what that ask is for an ammo company.

ETA - they might have gotten there eventually but probably not on day 1.

While Newsome thanks me for compliance - remember, Newsome didn't write the law, only signed it in. Californians that continue to live there and provide tax dollars to feed the machine are just as complicit.

I've been doing my part to help California. I don't agree with legalized marijuana, so I'm trying all I can to get that reversed in California. One thing at a time.

Uh ok, LOL.

One of my old bachelor pad signs 😂🤣😂

lets not forget that this ammunition background check is also the result of some shenanigans with the Voter Proposition process.

I think it was Prop 63 that got the process started, and it would have provided for a "card" that would have allowed one to purchase ammo for four years using that card without having to do the background check for every purchase. Then "our" Legislature added SB 1235 which took that away and made for a background check with every purchase, and of course their added "fee".

Some really weird scheidt happens when one allows the general populace to instigate and then pass laws by ballot initiative. And I am one who believes that capability is necessary in a free society. But, when there is not even a requirement on the level of education, or perhaps a working knowledge of what's been put on the initiative, to sign the petition much less vote on it, these are the type of things we end up with.

Prop 63 should have been ruled unconstitutional many years ago, preferably before even making it to the ballot on election day. Then the added burden of the Senate bill just iced the cake.

Regarding the level of education needed to sign a ballot initiative................or vote for it..................I'm no longer sure there's a satisfactory answer. I'm not sure "Civics" or any other similar courses are taught in today's schools. Emphasis on STEM and the touchy feely stuff doesn't prepare a person for making informed decisions on many matters.

Here's something I don't think I've seen mentioned by any of our fine Campfire members.

Did you know there are exceptions for LEO's and agencies in that ammo check law and they don't have to jump through the hoops we normal humans have to?

Now, I'm not one to suggest the ammo companies/dealers and such ship to private parties in the State in an illegal manner. But perhaps they could take a hint from something that happened 20 years or so ago. It may not have made much of an impact at the time, but I certainly stand behind the action Barrett took



https://www.guns.com/news/2023/01/3...rs-double-down-on-anti-california-pledge

Now, wouldn't it be wonderful if Hornady, Federal, Big Green, Winchester and all the more minor manufacturers told their distributors to knock off sales to CA agencies and individual LEOs or the shipments to their businesses would stop? How many of those distributors would risk being cut off and not have supplies to sell to their non-Californian customers?

Just a thought, as I've never been in favor of these special regulations for Agencies and LEOs. Either we're all equal in the eyes of the Constitution or it's not worth the parchment it's scribbled on.

Maybe CA legislature would get a clue if their minions couldn't get any bullets for THEIR guns? ( I doubt it, Gavin would find someone wanting money who would build a plant in Cali)

I'm confused, I thought I read on this thread if we in other states don't like the screwed up laws in CA, we should help them change them.

Teal my comments were not directed at you per se so I hope you didn’t take them as such..

While you are correct for companies to ship to an individuals home,They do need to have record of that individuals 03FFL & COE.

I don’t want to speak in absolutes, but I believe for an ammo company to ship to an FFL, the documentation is on the end of the FFL and there are no requirements at all on the shipper

Ravensrock precision on the campfire is an example of an excellent company to do business with that has the big picture in mind.

There was a time shortly after these ammo rules came into effect and I was retired, I considered going through the process to become a Licensed Ammunition vendor. Maybe renting a small space in a vacant business in town. Just to provide an option to our one supplier, the local Ace Hardware. The owner there didn't seem to willing to special order stuff they don't stock regularly. I was hoping to perhaps provide a service to the local shooters here.

I decided doing so would just help the State and I'd wait for this issue to go through the Courts. I also realized we are so close to OR and NV, and many folks make regular trips there for shopping and doctors' appointments, that I'd probably have to sell at a loss in order to get their business.

I sure wish there was a way to fast track these things to a SCOTUS decision, as we now have to wait again for it to clear the 9th before Gavin and the minions appeal any decision once again.. Or heaven forbid, the 9th can't come to a decision truly based on Bruen and others in the favor of California shooters.

It's getting to be that anything one does re: firearms is now a felony... So, eff it - might as well give it a shot..

Daily...

Except......it is not a felony. Please see my earlier post

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...o-ban-back-in-effect-2-5-24#Post19188518

And yes, I can agree with the nutsack hangings.

Oh no, an ammo purchasing ban back in place.

Oh what the heck I have NOTHING to do with kalifornicate any way.

Nice to live in a free state!