|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 67,757 Likes: 5
Campfire Kahuna
|
OP
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 67,757 Likes: 5 |
I have not been turkey hunting in years, but was asked by my brother in law out in Alabama to drive over and hunt with him at his lease. I was looking at Turkey loads, and discovered that pricing has left the realm of reality. Hevi 18 tungsten shells are running near $20 EACH?
Sam......
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,162 Likes: 28
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,162 Likes: 28 |
As I'm sure you know - Hevi 18 Tungsten shells aren't required to kill a bird tho either. Scheel's ships and has good prices often
Me
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 69,674 Likes: 21
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 69,674 Likes: 21 |
Turkey and coyote shotgun shells have gone insane. Funny how we killed turkey back in the day with a full choke and hot loaded duck and pheasant loads...
Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 34,290 Likes: 6
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 34,290 Likes: 6 |
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 415
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 415 |
Just shoot some high brass lead 6's . Long time turkey hunter- but actually not much of a killer, just hunt a lot. But those old lead 6's work well when I get one in range. I also shoot them out of a high gloss walnut stocked 870.... Joe
Doing the right thing is not always the easiest thing. It still needs doing..
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,627
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,627 |
Um.... I just bought some high speed 12g in 4 shot lead for sub $20 per box of 25... not sure why you would want to use a mandatory type of expensive round for waterfowl for hunting turkey when you can use lead... but with that said, those prices for the waterfowl loads are plain stupid
The worst thing ever to happen to cops is the personal video recorder... Now people can see the truth
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 15,645
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 15,645 |
Take the above advice, and exert a little downward market force on the outrageous.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 67,757 Likes: 5
Campfire Kahuna
|
OP
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 67,757 Likes: 5 |
I called the BIL and asked what he was using. He said just regular stuff kills Alabama turkeys just fine. Those TSS shells are either #7 or #9 shot?
Sam......
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
Shot federal 3 inch copper plated 6s in 12. Dead every last time out to 55 yards assuming you have a pattern. Plated shot was important. If I could have found nickel plated I would have used that.
OTOH if the heavy shot patterns well, lets say you use 100 dollars, IE 5 shots to confirm pattern. Then one shot per bird. What maybe 4 birds. 200 bucks overall on a turkey hunt really isn't that much money.
I bet the copper plated lead isn't cheap though either these days if they still make it. I bought quite a bit of it before I decided I'd had enough of killing turkeys and moved on.
Any turkey now gets shot with a rifle as a byproduct of another hunt. They were predictable enough via spring calling it wasn't really much of a challenge to get them it was just time spent in the process I'd prefer to use other ways.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 798
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 798 |
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900545926?pid=829383Winchester Super-X Turkey Ammunition 12 Gauge 2-3/4" 1-1/2 oz #4 Copper Plated Shot Box of 10 $1.30 per round. Really not that hard to get a turkey in range to kill with these.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 5,537
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 5,537 |
Buddies son has killed multiple gobblers with a .410 and BOSS [bleep] shells! It ain’t magic!
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,169 Likes: 14
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,169 Likes: 14 |
Magic not required, lead still works. None have survived my efforts or I'd provide witness testimony.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,252 Likes: 4
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,252 Likes: 4 |
I've got about 12 boxes of those except in #5 shot that I bought on clearance at Wal-Mart a few years ago for 3.97 a box. They've been killing turkeys just fine and I've got enough to last me the rest of my life.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,217
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,217 |
Winchester Longbeards are what I consider to be a top of the line turkey shell, and they only cost a couple bucks a piece. I'll probably pizz somebody off here, but if you think that you have to buy a shotgun shell costing $12 dollars or more just to kill a turkey, then you're very uneducated about turkey hunting.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,809
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,809 |
Agreed, the cost of all those super turkey loads is an indicator of some sort of mental deficiency on the part of those who buy them. If they were to properly pattern and zero the gun, they’d have a few hundred bucks downrange in no time. Only ones who can afford them must be gunwriters and industry shills who promote them on the internet.
I have a dedicated turkey gun, a 24” rifle-sighted barrel for my Encore, that does just fine at a pretty good distance with 3” 12 gauge lead. Also I have killed some at close to 50 yards with my 3 1/2” Beretta duck gun and copper plated 4’s.
All that said, I have probably killed as many turkeys with my 16 gauge Merkel, IC/M, with the Fiocchi Golden Pheasant load of 1 1/8 ounce nickel plated 5’s as with anything, targets of opportunity.
My brother has killed a small truckload of turkeys with an old 16 gauge Ithaca double. If you asked him how the barrels are choked he’d have no idea. If you asked him what loads he uses he’d tell you, “16 gauge, of course.”
Must be some kind of miracle, that we somehow kill turkeys with just an all-around shotgun and a box call…
Mathew 22: 37-39
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 10,503
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 10,503 |
Fortunately, I stocked up on 12 ga. Turkey shells back around 1999 - 2002, and still have somewhere around 50 rounds left. Haven't turkey hunted in about 5 years but may give it a try again one of these years. Just looked through all those turkey loads and one box still has a price sticker on it. $8.29 for a box of 10 Winchester 2&3/4" Magnum copper plated lead #5 shot turkey loads, and back then I recall thinking they were expensive. But I also figured that I may as well stock up now because next year they will just cost more. How often do ammo prices go down from one year to the next?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,795 Likes: 3
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,795 Likes: 3 |
I've got a 25rd box of 2¾ inch Fiocchi Golden Pheasant 5s that are hell on turkeys
Using a Primos turkey choke
Never felt the need for "turkey" bullets
DON’T BE TOO PROUD OF THIS TECHNOLOGICAL TERROR YOU’VE CONSTRUCTED. THE ABILITY TO DESTROY A PLANET IS INSIGNIFICANT NEXT TO THE POWER OF THE FORCE.
- Darth Vader
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,807
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,807 |
my wife killed her first one last year, with a skeet load of #8s . Range 25 yards , dead right there
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
RE the 410 use... gal we used to hunt on her place. Only thing she used was her voice and a model 12 in 12 ga with Win dove and quail 7.5s. Close enough it doesn't take much at all. I've killed plenty with a bow. Plenty with rifle and shotgun. A few with handguns.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 5,136
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 5,136 |
Gee Wilickers!! First I've heard of this! I remember when we could buy single turkey loads from the Fergler's Hardware - $.15 a piece!!!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,578 Likes: 6
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,578 Likes: 6 |
that tungsten super shot is crazy expensive. I've killed I have no idea how many birds with good old #6 copper plated buffered shot usually out of the Winchester high velocity. anymore it's just 3 in something years ago I shot several with 3 1/2" but that is totally unnecessary.. I don't feel you gain much shooting 3 and 1/2 except a few pellets and a lot of recoil.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 5,033 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 5,033 Likes: 2 |
I have killed turkeys with my 20 guage with low brass 6s when we had a fall season squirrel hunting. A shotgun shell that will penetrate and kill squirrels will kill a turkey head.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,239
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,239 |
I only used Hevi Shot when required on public land otherwise lead which isn't that bad.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,217
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,217 |
It's all about the latest fad. There are a group of hunters, and I use the word "hunters" for the lack of a better one, who buy into the belief that unless you use the latest gadget on the market, that you will not have any success. All it takes it for some writer or YouTuber to say that something is the best invention since sliced bread, and they'll line up to buy it regardless of the cost.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,162 Likes: 28
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,162 Likes: 28 |
It's all about the latest fad. There are a group of hunters, and I use the word "hunters" for the lack of a better one, who buy into the belief that unless you use the latest gadget on the market, that you will not have any success. All it takes it for some writer or YouTuber to say that something is the best invention since sliced bread, and they'll line up to buy it regardless of the cost. New hunters tho - they know what they saw last, not 30 years ago because they weren't there either. Start hunting today and you think a RAR is a quality rifle and what a "deer rifle should be" - because they don't have the context of wood/blue MKII's. Never saw it. Don't know what you don't know.
Me
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 95,736 Likes: 2
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 95,736 Likes: 2 |
I have killed turkeys with my 20 guage with low brass 6s when we had a fall season squirrel hunting. A shotgun shell that will penetrate and kill squirrels will kill a turkey head. This. Or a Win lever 22 Win Mag.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
I Dindo Nuffin
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 14,860 Likes: 8
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 14,860 Likes: 8 |
No way n hell I’d pay that
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,366 Likes: 3
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,366 Likes: 3 |
I've been using the same box of Winchester SuperX Magnum #6's for 20 years. Never had any of them bounce off a bird. 2 3/4" too.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 11,782
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 11,782 |
I’ve killed many turkeys with a bow. Before using a bow, a 12 ga, mod choke, 1.25 ounces of fast #5 or #6 shot worked great. Not need to buy those insanely expensive shells.
NRA Patron
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2022
Posts: 739 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2022
Posts: 739 Likes: 1 |
my wife killed her first one last year, with a skeet load of #8s . Range 25 yards , dead right there Shoot them in the head with 71/2's,as long as their in range your good.
Rehab is for quitters! THEY are all guilty! Name one honest politician! DEFINE Treason. God bless the USA Democrats ARE the plague! RINO'S need to be hunted! Who's a bigger puzzy than Paul Ryan? Mike Pence? John Kerry ? REELECT NOBODY! Except Trump
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 45,248 Likes: 21
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 45,248 Likes: 21 |
While our window was open for a few days I ordered a goodly number of .410 and 20g stuff that was "on sale"...............in quotes because it's still pricey scheidt. And not available locally. Can't use lead like I used in AZ, so have to go with the non-toxic stuff. And I wanted to try/pattern some of the TSS stuff before I try setting up to reload it. Guys in the forums downstairs seem to speak highly of it. I'd try steel but as far as I can ascertain in the regs, we're restricted to #4 shot size and I just don't like the possibility of not getting a clean kill if I decide to take a 40 yard shot. I've got some 12 and 20 in #2 or larger for duck/geese I'd be willing to try, but heck, I figure I've got to do something to stimulate the economy
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
member of the cabal of dysfunctional squirrels?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,840 Likes: 9
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,840 Likes: 9 |
TSS with the proper choke changes a .410 from a stunt gun to a practical 35-40 yard head-shot piece. That may apply to 28ga as well, but I don’t have one to test. 12 and 20ga are fine with good lead loads. Pick something, pattern it, and hunt within the limits the pattern board shows.
What fresh Hell is this?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 17,830
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 17,830 |
If you can call em in under 25 yards all the time, guess you can go the more economical route LOL
Guess one could factor in the overall cost............are ya shooting em in the backyard or taking vacation from work and traveling? The latter..............shell cost is nuthin'.
Last edited by hookeye; 02/07/24.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 14,860 Likes: 8
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 14,860 Likes: 8 |
223 is legal here and way cheaper
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 9,834 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 9,834 Likes: 2 |
I laid in a supply when I had a chance to buy it wholesale. I don't care about state of the art shells, just state of the kill.LOL
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 4,350
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 4,350 |
rte That's a lot of dead turkeys!
Sam, As others have already said lead still kills just fine. Fun to play with new innovation, but not necessary.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 30,841 Likes: 15
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 30,841 Likes: 15 |
I have not been turkey hunting in years, but was asked by my brother in law out in Alabama to drive over and hunt with him at his lease. I was looking at Turkey loads, and discovered that pricing has left the realm of reality. Hevi 18 tungsten shells are running near $20 EACH? PM sent
T R U M P W O N !
U L T R A M A G A !
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 9,084 Likes: 5
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 9,084 Likes: 5 |
Even buying TSS, still the cheapest part of the hunt.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 25,528 Likes: 4
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 25,528 Likes: 4 |
When I saw the price of TSS I decided to just take the money and buy 3 Butterballs. 😂
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
--------------------------------------------------------- ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 9,834 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 9,834 Likes: 2 |
When I saw the price of TSS I decided to just take the money and buy 3 Butterballs. 😂 LOL!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 3,539 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 3,539 Likes: 2 |
I'm an old tightwad with a near terminal case of OFS! I shoot a 1932 Rem "Sportsman" 16 gauge and I've got a butt load of Rem 16 ga field loads #8's! They kill hell out of turkeys!
All you need is ONE #8 pellet to enter the brain or disrupt the CNS and you got a turkey down. A turkey's head and neck are extremely vulnerable. That is always my target. 🦃
P.S. - I ain't about to spend mega bucks on "turkey specific" ammo.
Last edited by MartinStrummer; 02/07/24.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 3,539 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 3,539 Likes: 2 |
This site is three birds I killed one spring. All one shot kills! All #8 lead shot. Two and three quarter ammo.
Mag, 3.5" and high dollar shot isn't required to kill turkeys. Patience, a good shotgun and a 1 oz load of #8's will put them down. If you can't call 'im in close enough. Let 'em walk. He'll be around to hunt another time.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fwww.charlieelk.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2Fone-turkey-neck-xrays.jpg%3Fresize%3D1024%252C842%26ssl%3D1&tbnid=BI64bn_0p0BlVM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.charlieelk.com%2F2017%2F06%2F16%2Fbeyond-the-patterning-board-x-rays-of-shot-turkey-headnecks%2F&docid=-nsAbBFrGTvzRM&w=1024&h=842&hl=en-US&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm1%2F4&kgs=75d0162ffc1d31b5
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,578 Likes: 6
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,578 Likes: 6 |
Even buying TSS, still the cheapest part of the hunt. in some ways I would agree. but for some of the old guys that's turkey hunting forever and has guns stacked up camo stacked up called stacked up you get the picture. and not to mention you're on your own private place just outside your house and turkeys are everywhere it's almost a matter of self-defense LOL
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 17,966 Likes: 6
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 17,966 Likes: 6 |
I laid in a supply when I had a chance to buy it wholesale. I don't care about state of the art shells, just state of the kill.LOL ^----this man knows. I'm working on my last box of Federal from years ago. I did lay in a small supply of Winchester Longbeard after it came out. It's gone up in price a bit since then!! Scouting pic, it's deep in the woods despite the presence of the gate.
Last edited by gonehuntin; 02/07/24.
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
We are all Rhodesians now.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,571 Likes: 3
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,571 Likes: 3 |
TSS is expensive. And unnecessary in a 12 gauge. But it makes sub-gauges shine. Like was said earlier in this thread, it makes a .410 a very viable turkey killer out to 40 yards. I've done a lot of patterning with 20 gauges and TSS is simply superior, significantly so, over lead in pattern denisty. Here's a 20 gauge pattern using a 3" load of #5 lead at 40 yards using a .565 constriction choke. Will it kill? Abosolutely. But that's a thin pattern. Here's the same gun and choke at 40 yards using #9 TSS. Lots of holes in important parts. I decided to try TSS in .410. It works. Well. I shot this bird a few weeks ago with a .410 and #9 TSS. As much as you would shoot turkey shells, it doesn't seem to me the cost is all that prohibitive. A few boxes will last years. This box will likely last me a decade.
Last edited by 10Glocks; 02/07/24.
|
|
|
|
561 members (1800topsoil, 160user, 17CalFan, 1936M71, 10gaugeman, 2500HD, 64 invisible),
2,536
guests, and
1,294
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,687
Posts18,494,053
Members73,977
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|