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How long does the military usually take to determine cause in crashes? Are the findings honest?
Let's say, just irresponsible speculation here, it comes down to mechanical failure or unforeseen weather or pilot error.
Let's say they call pilot error....but the pilot was female....would they tinker with the findings to save the program of putting girls in the drivers seat?
The military did some horrible schidt in history, nuke exposure at Yucca Flats, denial of agent orange cancers etc.
Does the NTSB have any authority?
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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“The last known contact with the helicopter was at about 11:30 p.m.”
Is it normal to fly helicopters at night over mountains during one of the largest winter storms to hit southern CA? Seems unnecessary to me. RIP to those Marines.
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“The last known contact with the helicopter was at about 11:30 p.m.”
Is it normal to fly helicopters at night over mountains during one of the largest winter storms to hit southern CA? Seems unnecessary to me. RIP to those Marines. I had the same thought, seems like a rough night to fly.
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Creech AFB is 40 miles N. of Las Vegas and is contiguous w/ a vast training area used by all the services. It is a major training/ops site for UAVs and supports many training activities on the Nellis and National Security Site[previously the Nevada Test Site] and Tonopah ranges. Just south of Creech is a combined arms range that is also used by all services. I worked there for 5 years and at the NTS for 12 years. It is a large chunk of Nevada and includes what is known as Area 51. I believe its is the largest secure area in the U.S.A.
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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The CH-53 E is a death trap. No way I would ever fly in one those in perfect weather. They were always broke down!
My first year in the Marines Tustin Helo base, I remember one going down in the ocean. They brought back parts to my hangar. As a young Marine I thought damn, I'm glad I don't work on those.
My CH-46's helos never crashed, now it's been replaced with the V-22 osprey which has also been prone to several crashes killing marines.
In my four years working around many helos, I've seen many CH53E grounded .
Prayers for those in the crash. Amen
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Every flyer has a final flight. The lucky ones know about it when they strap in. WELL SAID, Rocky !!!!
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This is heartbreaking. RIP and thanks for your service.
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The senate just approved another 100 billion to Ukraine and Israel. military so the safety of our servicemen remain a top concern in DC and the pentagon
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“The last known contact with the helicopter was at about 11:30 p.m.”
Is it normal to fly helicopters at night over mountains during one of the largest winter storms to hit southern CA? Seems unnecessary to me. RIP to those Marines. Seems like really bad weather to flay all the way across California.
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When I was in the Air Force, I spent a lot of time flying the HH-53C (Jolly Greens) and the Marines were transitioning to the E models. I know there were quite a a few Marine pilots that were refusing to fly the E because of problems with the rotor head if I am not mistaken.
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Night, mountain weather, stormy conditions…
RIP Marines
But I hope changes get made regarding the necessity of such flights under such conditions.
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When I was in the Air Force, I spent a lot of time flying the HH-53C (Jolly Greens) and the Marines were transitioning to the E models. I know there were quite a a few Marine pilots that were refusing to fly the E because of problems with the rotor head if I am not mistaken. Kinda what I remember seeing several in adjacent hangar with the rotor heads off...and vaguely hearing from other mechanics. They were definitely always waiting on parts.
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As I recall, the problem was the new carbon rotor head that the pilots deemed was not reliable, and they made a great case for the fact you never knew when the damn thing would come apart. The older models were pretty reliable. Sounds to me like this was not an aircraft problem, but weather more than likely.
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Winter weather, poor vis in the mountains, at night, rising terrain, mechanical failure or even the decision to take off, all or none of these factors could be considered. They’ll figure it out.
The mishap board will normally be led by an O-5 from another unit.
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