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So, because I too wish to play with the cool kids, I think I would like to have a fast(er) twisted .22 for fun and games.
Now , I have dies and brass for the 223.....and naturally , I also have brass ( potentially ) brass for the Ackley. I now have a set of dies for the ackley, so that's not really a consideration.
My question is, those who have the Ackley 223 would you do it again?
I also think the 22 Creed is a cooler option, just not what is in the cards at this time.
BTW : I have the action and the 8 twist barrel.....
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My question is, those who have the Ackley 223 would you do it again? . I don’t currently have any AI cartridges, but I’ll start this, I’ll say no one regrets going Ackley, even if only for the benefit of less brass trimming,
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I have (14) 223 AI's. 8" is a dead end. Hint.
I have (7) Speedmires. I shoot the 223's with greater frequency. Hint.
So START at THE Fhuqking Start. What receiver? Barrel? How do you feed it(ADL/BDL/DBM/Singleshot)? Hint.
Be concise,because particulars MATTER. Hint...............
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A few years back there was a lot of discussion about the 223AI on this site. IIRC, it worked better to minimizing case stretch then to maximize velocity potential.
I had my AI phase 35 to 40 years ago after I drank POA's Kool-Aid. There are a few nice rifles that I wished that I hadn't AI'd, but hindsight is 20/20 and if you've got an itch, you've got to scratch it.
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I gather that to some, the 8 twist is less than ideal....but I have it..
So there's that....
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With a 700,you reap COAL shift advantages and that don't suck. ADL's massage nicely there. Hint. Typically on a 700,you'll need to bush the 'pin hole,before even approaching "performance". They are simply fhuqking sloppy and all things literally melt around them. Hint. 8" is a bitch and only grants 75 ELD M's,which are a very nice projectile,but WELL shy of an 88 ELD M's relative abilities. 88's change the Game. Pun be intended. Hint. Would I punch an existing 8" 223 to 223AI? Nope. Hint................
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Who is recommended to bush the firing pin on the 700??
Anyone got a spare ( cheap ) .224 7 twist sporter contour tube laying around??
Seems I missed one recently in the Classifieds
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Greg has slid out of THE 'Pin Role(which he did EXCEPTIONALLY) and now it's likely Chad at LRI. Hint.
As for scoring blanks,Greg is my guy and I simply contour to suit and fixate RPM,source Southern Precision. Hint.............
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As for scoring blanks,Greg is my guy and I simply contour to suit and fixate RPM,source Southern Precision. Hint............. In English, bugholes.com Unhint.
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223 AI is a great all around rifle, plenty for coyotes. Not really in the same league as the 22Creed though. Unless you're planning on night calling and want something really flat shooting or plan to shoot past 500 I'd go with the 223AI. Lot's cheaper to shoot and you already have the dies;)
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My brother has a 223AI on a Ruger#1 action. He likes it. Fast twist isn't needed.
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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I've never had an issue using a non AI cartridge, so I never saw a need to do an AI conversion... I don't think I've miss anything..
and I've never been Guilty of following " the cool kids".... Take powder Brand X was the cat's meow, and three years later, something else is all the rage... and then 3 years later something else will be.
I tend to use what has been working for decades...why reinvent the wheel.
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I certainly do appreciate the enhanced performance available in the 22 Creed.
But with the areas I shoot, and with my personal skill set, I cant shoot 500 yards.
Kudos to those who can and do.
I do appreciate the cool new series of high BC bullets that are available..that typically enhance performance at closer distances.
But to each, their own.....
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So....Ackley it shall be.
I have a set of Redding Dies .....just curious as to what brand of dies others are using. Lee & Redding be the only choices I have seen in stock recently...
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So, because I too wish to play with the cool kids, I think I would like to have a fast(er) twisted .22 for fun and games.
Now , I have dies and brass for the 223.....and naturally , I also have brass ( potentially ) brass for the Ackley. I now have a set of dies for the ackley, so that's not really a consideration.
My question is, those who have the Ackley 223 would you do it again?
I also think the 22 Creed is a cooler option, just not what is in the cards at this time.
BTW : I have the action and the 8 twist barrel..... What sort of fun and games?
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Pokin holes in paper, groundhogs, coyotes, maybe a hog or deer
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My question is, those who have the Ackley 223 would you do it again?
.. A few years back there was a lot of discussion about the 223AI on this site. IIRC, it worked better to minimizing case stretch then to maximize velocity potential.
. I gather that to some, the 8 twist is less than ideal....but I have it..
So there's that....
Sporter contour Question #1...No. It does minimize case stretch but does nothing for accuracy. Good or bad. The 8 twist will treat you just fine in a .223, whether or not you AI it
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Gentlemen, thank you for the insight
I will keep y'all posted as to how this shakes out
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Theres not an cartridge that ive AI that I have regretted, matter of fact I do any 17, 20 or 22 cals again they all will be Ackley especially if they get shot much.
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I use what has been working for years also. I've got one wildcatt it's a 6.5x06. Have never had a AI cartridge have never seen a need for one. Speaking of fast twist and heavy bullets, I don't go that route either. If I wanted to shoot say 60 gr or heavier bullet's I would not get a 22 cal rifle. No sir, I'd get a 243. Then if I wanted to shoot heavier than 100gr bullets, I'd step up to a 25 cal rifle.
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My Ackley experience has been with the 260 AI & current 223 AI (heavy p/dog 9 twist set up)
First thing I'd look at is die selection
223 AI are common.....280 AI also
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So, because I too wish to play with the cool kids, I think I would like to have a fast(er) twisted .22 for fun and games.
Now , I have dies and brass for the 223.....and naturally , I also have brass ( potentially ) brass for the Ackley. I now have a set of dies for the ackley, so that's not really a consideration.
My question is, those who have the Ackley 223 would you do it again?
I also think the 22 Creed is a cooler option, just not what is in the cards at this time.
BTW : I have the action and the 8 twist barrel..... You are an AMAZINGLY Dumb Fhuqker. Hint.........
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Dies are easy you can get a FL sizing made for whatever you want and if you have your own reamers a seater from a blank. Ai's and Wildcats aren't for everybody I guess.
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Dies are easy you can get a FL sizing made for whatever you want and if you have your own reamers a seater from a blank. Ai's and Wildcats aren't for everybody I guess. Talking of economics...once you spend $200+ for dies to get up & running The benefits of an AI or Wildcat cartridge dwindle fast About 2007 when David Tubb introduced the 6XC...had to have one Built an 8 twist Pac Nor barrel screwed a Savage s/shot action on it Great LR p/dog killer on 38 grs of powder with an 87 V Max Dies were a chore at that time Yes..AI & Wildcats aren't for everyone
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Brokedick Stories from CLUELESS Fhuqks,are funnier than schit. Hint. You couldn't pick the XC out of the crowd. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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To each his own on dies, and decent quality Type S bushing die set is gonna be atleast 200.00 -300.00. Bushing dies are all i will own anymore started that atleast 10 years ago my needs are to control nk and when lots vary on brass its almost a must in wildcating. Peoples requirements are different but I dont ever let dies pick my caliber choices if I did I wouldn't have half the rifles I do.
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Brokedick Stories from CLUELESS Fhuqks,are funnier than schit. Hint. You couldn't pick the XC out of the crowd. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............ HINT
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Fireing pin holes on rem. don't need to be bushed, it's just a sales gimmick.
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Fireing pin holes on rem. don't need to be bushed, it's just a sales gimmick. I know catered primers are just a sales gimmick.
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The irony is that AI will allow more firings of brass. My 260AI has approx. 6% more case capacity albeit I do not load 6% more. To AI the smaller calibers is a personal choice and you will not get the value if you sell. MTG
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I prefer short barreled rifles and that is one more reason to chamber an AI. You can make up some, if not all of the velocity you loose between a 20" barrel and a 24" barrel.
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Thanks to all for sharing your perspectives. ... I appreciate the insight.
The saga continues......
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I have a 700 ADL in a short action that pretty much any reload or factory loading would make primers look like extreme over pressure. Sent to Jon Beanland and had the bolt bushed. Never had another issue. It was about 100.00 and a two week turnaround.
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