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If the USA had broken apart into several different nations I do believe this would be a better place. It would have served to keep us out of foreign wars and therefore not incurred the debt we have incurred as the "leader of the free world". Just imagine the different world it would be if we had not gone to war with Spain, not created the Federal Reserve, and been able to sit out WW1 and WW2. WW2 wouldn't have even happened. We would have avoided Korea, Vietnam, and all the recent Middle East dustups.

I believe the south's biggest mistake was in not taking the issue of the legality of secession to the U.S. Supreme Court where Roger Taney would have weighed in on the side of secession being legal.

The Southern Plantations were owned by Oligarchs that depended on slavery for planting and harvesting the most important and cash productive crop at that time, cotton. Slaves were expensive and many plantation owners performed their own breeding of slaves in order to increase their fold. The southern states were powerful and Slavery was an issue from the birth of our nation. Go back to the Lincoln Douglas debates. What was it about? Lincoln; "A house divided cannot stand". It was a fundamental difference of opinions on race, equality and our Constitution. Douglas opines that the Constitution was written by white men only for white men. Lincoln contended that the textual definition would include all men of any color. Our founding fathers regarded the institution of slavery as "a moral evil that must disappear". Some were slave holders but it was a compromise that most probably should have been fixed at that time. At the time of the war the south was full into slavery and wanted to expand it. It was not dying and would not have any other way. It is a shame it cost the lives of so many brave men on both sides most of which had never owned a slave and would never own another person. Most people and most importantly Obama do not under the 3/5th rule that was debated at the constitutional convention. " When the Constitutional Convention debated the issue of how to count population for the purposes of representation, the Southern delegates to the convention would have been pleased if nonvoting slaves had been counted as full persons. That way the Southern States would have had a greater representation in the House of Representatives." The issue of Slavery is not compatible with our Constitution. It never was. It was the unspoken horror of compromise that delayed the resolution. It was a resolution that would have to be addressed in the future and so it became.

So evry confederate soldier fought for slavery?
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We are all Americans.

Britton and France at the time hoped that the nation would break apart so they could step in. they both had people observing the war waiting to pick a side. Had it come to fruition the south would likely have ended up subjects. Look at how the Indian Nations turned out and you can have a glimpse of what might have happened. "A house divided cannot stand". I believe that sentence to be true. It has certainly been proven over the world throughout different centuries.

No, some are Yankees.

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Would it be accurate to say secession was about slavery( in some states), the war was about the federal govt imposing its will on the states?

It truly amazes me how human beings can twist history and make it fit their ideology and agenda.

SOUTH CAROLINA DECLARATION OF SUCESSION: December 24, 1860



[A]n increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. . . .

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. . . .

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States. The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy. . . .

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

Anybody see anything in that text about states' rights other than a state's individual right to perpetuate the institution of slavery and demand that the north return their "property"?

South Carolina started the war declaring in writing, the federal government their enemy and then by firing on and occupying Fort Sumter which belonged to the US Federal government. There was no Civil War until South Carolina fired on Federal troops and property. It was only then that Lincoln asked for 75,000 volunteers. Lincoln was not in favor of ending slavery in the states where it already existed only in restricting slavery to any new states that entered the union. South Carolina and the Confederate States didn't want to give up their naggers. The South started a war they couldn't win physically, politically, economically or morally. Pity that most of the southern boys that lost their lives in that war had no slaves. Like most wars in history the poor paid with their lives to support the politically, socially and economically elite.

That's what happened and no amount of spin is ever going to change that history.

The issue of Slavery is an uncomfortable one. That's why after the war the democrat argument switched to Unconstitutionality and Lincoln being an evil man ignoring the constitution. That was simply not the case. The argument or "northern aggression" is a bogus one since the South fired the first shot attacking a Federal Fort. Even General Lee said that he chose the South because of his loyalty to Virginia. At the time loyalty to one's state was a big thing.

In Canada, a black from Mississippi is a Yankee.

Ford's Theater was the South's biggest victory.

Interesting!

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Nobody gives a schit about what Canadians think about anything.

How many states in the Confederacy?

This site is famous for bringing up the War of Northern Aggression every 9 months or so.




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I am descended from slave owners and my paternal great grandfather was captured at Vicksburg, paroled, and then took up arms again as a CSA cavalryman.

But I say slavery and the importation of Africans was the worst mistake the country ever made and there is plenty of blame for that on the northern shipping interests as well as southern farmers.

There was other friction between the north and south but except for slavery there would not have been a Civil War. Slavery was the root cause.

My maternal grandmother born in 1891 knew former slaves and grew up in the wreckage of the post-reconstruction south. Her father was a slave owner in his youth and was badly displaced and impoverished after the war. She said more than once that the south got what it deserved as punishment for slavery.

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They lost the war.