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Holy smokes what a nice gig

Ad revenue drops by 31%, number of 6 digit managers doubles from 438 to 949, television market share drops from 7.8 % to 4.4%

Tait feels she is entitled to her bonus --- entitled to her entitlements --- what a crock --- more wasted tax dollars

-Tait’s total cash compensation for 2023 is between $472,900 – $623,900.

-Her maximum potential bonus falls under a range between $124,012 – $145,880


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The CBC needs to completely cut off from tax payers money and be allowed to prosper or die.

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Originally Posted by GRF
The CBC needs to completely cut off from tax payers money and be allowed to prosper or die.
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The CBC needs to completely cut off from tax payers money and be allowed to prosper or die.

As much as I hate the CBC and all it stands for, a sudden defunding would put 1000s of families in a jobless situation. Funding should be decreased on a gradual scale while implementing a no-hire policy allowing it to become smaller. At some point it should be offered for sale to a buyer so at least there is some funds coming back to the tax payer through it's sale.

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Originally Posted by SuperCub
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The CBC needs to completely cut off from tax payers money and be allowed to prosper or die.

As much as I hate the CBC and all it stands for, a sudden defunding would put 1000s of families in a jobless situation. Funding should be decreased on a gradual scale while implementing a no-hire policy allowing it to become smaller. At some point it should be offered for sale to a buyer so at least there is some funds coming back to the tax payer through it's sale.
They will have to look for jobs elsewhere. The same could apply to the bloated federal bureaucracy after the Libs get voted out and the federal government goes on a diet. That’s the risk you take when you accept a job with a controversial public organization.

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
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The CBC needs to completely cut off from tax payers money and be allowed to prosper or die.

As much as I hate the CBC and all it stands for, a sudden defunding would put 1000s of families in a jobless situation. Funding should be decreased on a gradual scale while implementing a no-hire policy allowing it to become smaller. At some point it should be offered for sale to a buyer so at least there is some funds coming back to the tax payer through it's sale.
They will have to look for jobs elsewhere. The same could apply to the bloated federal bureaucracy after the Libs get voted out and the federal government goes on a diet. That’s the risk you take when you accept a job with a controversial public organization.

Jordan;
Top of the morning to you my friend, I hope this finds you and your fine family well on what's been a still but overcast day so far here.

With all due respect to my cyber friend SuperCub, I'm going to differ with him for the following reasons.

In my working life, different businesses I worked for went broke - twice actually - went through 6 different owners in one of them, had major internal changes which led to my job description changing from managerial to welding and twisting wrenches and then there were the times that I submitted my two weeks notice and went elsewhere.

Looking back even further, I'm reminded of the time the Royal Bank manager pulled the pin on our farming operation without notice and then in '81 when the Liberal LaLonde budget came out which shut down construction out here in BC and we were all sent home from a fresh foundation pour on condos that were going to keep us working for the next year.

The short version of that lifetime of work would be that I had no guarantee of employment for much more than a month ever and sometimes that month was me winding the business down when the landlord had called in the Bailiff and changed the locks on our building....

As a former OFA Level II, there were instances where I needed to stop the bleeding on a patient.

We as Canadians, need to stop the bleeding if there is going to be anything whatsoever left for the next generation.

For that matter, if things continue, my generation's "retirement" is going to be fascinating and exciting to say the least.

That's where I'm at gentlemen as once again, I truly believe we are playing for all the marbles here and honestly I hope we're not too late.

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My better 1/2 watches CBC, I keep telling her to turn that CHIT OFF, before it rots her brain.

CBC is nothing more than CNN on steroids.


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When CBC was reporting complete bs ie: if you get the jab, you get....immunity from Covid, wont pass the virus on....safe and effective...etc.....and put many thousands out of work, lost jobs, relationships etc....

I didn't see the CBC employee's handing out sympathy to those people.
Let them find work elsewhere like everyone else had too.

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You folks have missed my point. .... I'm not for punishing most of those who work there. There would be huge consequences for those families and the economy.

I'm saying lean it down to a point where is sellable and get some money for it. Why drive it into the ground and get nothing for it?

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Originally Posted by SuperCub
You folks have missed my point. .... I'm not for punishing most of those who work there. There would be huge consequences for those families and the economy.

I'm saying lean it down to a point where is sellable and get some money for it. Why drive it into the ground and get nothing for it?

I agree Paul. It has to be sold off either to a new owner or an existing media group. CBC's mandate hasn't been relevant since the 1970s. You have to ignore the grumpy posters.


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Supercub; firstly my opinion and $5 will buy you a coffee.

I think you are coming up against some western Canadian “hardassedness” (real word 😃). By the nature of the work that those of us in primary industries (oil and gas, agriculture, forestry, mining etc) and the secondary industries that support the primary industries one gets exposed to lots of up and down cycles. Sadly many of the down cycles we experience are a direct result of government actions.

These cycles have shown us that your best loss is your first loss. Trying to slow roll the dissolution of a failing enterprise in the end costs you more. Let the enterprise fail let it fail fast. Perhaps a phoenix can rise from the ashes prehaps not. Like a forest fire burning out the deadfall allowing for new growth culling poor companies and poor employees leads to a healthier industry.

Having worked oil and gas the vast majority of my life I have seen many rounds of termination, as observer, the person making the terminations and the terminated. Never nice. However one should always have in the back of their mind that no job is permanent and have a plan in case of a down turn.

Having lived through layoffs that cost 100,000 plus Albertans their jobs the thought of a few thousand job losses across the county does not shock or upset ne.

It’s just part of a cycle of rejuvenation. Living the cycle repeatedly can make one into a bit of a hard ass.

If I had the linguistic skills of Dwayne this would make a little more sense, hopefully I have conveyed my message well enough.

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I'm not sure there is a right way for this and I'm certainly not sure my opinions are right in this matter. In the end, I'm all for defunding the CBC. It has become a very dangerous voice in this country and something I would like to see gone.

https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/defund-the-cbc

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Originally Posted by SuperCub
I'm not sure there is a right way for this and I'm certainly not sure my opinions are right in this matter. In the end, I'm all for defunding the CBC. It has become a very dangerous voice in this country and something I would like to see gone.

https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/defund-the-cbc

I am glad at least you agree with me, SuperCub, its refreshing lol


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Originally Posted by SuperCub
I'm not sure there is a right way for this and I'm certainly not sure my opinions are right in this matter. In the end, I'm all for defunding the CBC. It has become a very dangerous voice in this country and something I would like to see gone.

https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/defund-the-cbc

Your voice needs to be heard, even if your MP is a Liberal or an NDP. Everyone needs to be heard. The more people who present their opinions and reasoned arguments to politicians, the better the chances that the CBC will be sold off. Politicians go with what they hear. They wish to be reelected, so constituents who voice their opinions are the ones they listen to, even if they don't personally agree.

Being a grump doesn't cut it. Letters matter.

This was forwarded after my MP received it. I posted it here a couple of years ago. Repetition is important. It went with many others voicing dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs. It is important to remember that the CBC is a legal business, so dismantling it or selling it off is an involved process.

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The CBC Has Outlived Its Usefulness
Copyright 2022 - Stephen Redgwell

The CBC was born in 1936. Back then, it was only radio. The corporation was modeled on the BBC which was created 14 years earlier.

Its purpose was to provide all Canadians, no matter where they lived, with news, entertainment and coverage of important events. Back then, only the government could afford to build the broadcasting towers, run endless miles of cable and open radio stations. It was appropriate for the time, and few thought of the cost. After all, the government was paying for it!

But that was 86 years ago.

Since then, television, international radio broadcasting, satellites, the Internet and digital media have entered the picture. The CBC hasn't properly amended its mandate, but that's little surprise. The corporation isn't closely monitored by the CRTC. Worse, Canadians don't actually know the CBC's purpose, how they spend the money we give them or why they even exist. In short, the CBC is a mystery. It's been around for a long time, and people are used to them being here. It's time to ask why they are still in business.

CBC is a crown corporation. That means it is a commercial business, owned and controlled by the federal government.

Since the 1970s, more Canadian coverage by private broadcasters has started up. They do a better job of looking after regional and national needs. A CRTC poll shows that only 28% of us see the CBC as important, preferring private broadcasters. That should tell Ottawa something.

It also seems that CBC's senior management doesn't feel they need to explain their actions to anyone, or why they make the decisions they do.

Private sector broadcasters aren't eating up Canadian tax dollars like the CBC! Could it be that they have to be more fiscally responsible?

The CBC is given about 1.3 billion dollars annually. I’ll say that again. 1.3 billion. Why? Ottawa no longer needs to fund construction of remote radio towers. The days of maintaining millions of miles of cable are over. Satellites do this now. That 1.3 billion dollars would be better spent on education, healthcare or the environment.

But what about the Canadian voice? No worries. It is not in danger of disappearing, although this has long been the argument CBC used to keep itself alive. If anything, having more Canadian media outlets has strengthened us and provided more jobs. In that regard, the CBC is archaic.

For years, remote communities have enjoyed a vastly improved information network thanks to private industry money and the Internet, not the CBC.

But it isn't just about money. There is also the latest news about Tara Henley leaving the CBC. Her story is enlightening and demonstrates CBC's continuing downward spiral, as told by an insider.

“To work at the CBC is to embrace cognitive dissonance and to abandon journalistic integrity.” Tara Henley wrote.

We should expect more information from her in the coming months about the internal politics and unusual work environment.

Private businesses serve us better. It’s called progress. After 86 years, the too high cost of operation, management troubles, declining listenership and plunging ad revenues, clearly shows the CBC is redundant and has to go.


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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
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I'm not sure there is a right way for this and I'm certainly not sure my opinions are right in this matter. In the end, I'm all for defunding the CBC. It has become a very dangerous voice in this country and something I would like to see gone.

https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/defund-the-cbc

Your voice needs to be heard, even if your MP is a Liberal or an NDP. Everyone needs to be heard. The more people who present their opinions and reasoned arguments to politicians, the better the chances that the CBC will be sold off. Politicians go with what they hear. They wish to be reelected, so constituents who voice their opinions are the ones they listen to, even if they don't personally agree.

Being a grump doesn't cut it. Letters matter.

This was forwarded after my MP received it. I posted it here a couple of years ago. Repetition is important. It went with many others voicing dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs. It is important to remember that the CBC is a legal business, so dismantling it or selling it off is an involved process.

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The CBC Has Outlived Its Usefulness
Copyright 2022 - Stephen Redgwell

The CBC was born in 1936. Back then, it was only radio. The corporation was modeled on the BBC which was created 14 years earlier.

Its purpose was to provide all Canadians, no matter where they lived, with news, entertainment and coverage of important events. Back then, only the government could afford to build the broadcasting towers, run endless miles of cable and open radio stations. It was appropriate for the time, and few thought of the cost. After all, the government was paying for it!

But that was 86 years ago.

Since then, television, international radio broadcasting, satellites, the Internet and digital media have entered the picture. The CBC hasn't properly amended its mandate, but that's little surprise. The corporation isn't closely monitored by the CRTC. Worse, Canadians don't actually know the CBC's purpose, how they spend the money we give them or why they even exist. In short, the CBC is a mystery. It's been around for a long time, and people are used to them being here. It's time to ask why they are still in business.

CBC is a crown corporation. That means it is a commercial business, owned and controlled by the federal government.

Since the 1970s, more Canadian coverage by private broadcasters has started up. They do a better job of looking after regional and national needs. A CRTC poll shows that only 28% of us see the CBC as important, preferring private broadcasters. That should tell Ottawa something.

It also seems that CBC's senior management doesn't feel they need to explain their actions to anyone, or why they make the decisions they do.

Private sector broadcasters aren't eating up Canadian tax dollars like the CBC! Could it be that they have to be more fiscally responsible?

The CBC is given about 1.3 billion dollars annually. I’ll say that again. 1.3 billion. Why? Ottawa no longer needs to fund construction of remote radio towers. The days of maintaining millions of miles of cable are over. Satellites do this now. That 1.3 billion dollars would be better spent on education, healthcare or the environment.

But what about the Canadian voice? No worries. It is not in danger of disappearing, although this has long been the argument CBC used to keep itself alive. If anything, having more Canadian media outlets has strengthened us and provided more jobs. In that regard, the CBC is archaic.

For years, remote communities have enjoyed a vastly improved information network thanks to private industry money and the Internet, not the CBC.

But it isn't just about money. There is also the latest news about Tara Henley leaving the CBC. Her story is enlightening and demonstrates CBC's continuing downward spiral, as told by an insider.

“To work at the CBC is to embrace cognitive dissonance and to abandon journalistic integrity.” Tara Henley wrote.

We should expect more information from her in the coming months about the internal politics and unusual work environment.

Private businesses serve us better. It’s called progress. After 86 years, the too high cost of operation, management troubles, declining listenership and plunging ad revenues, clearly shows the CBC is redundant and has to go.

I have a better idea, just don't watch it, but you will have a hard time getting all of the immigrants and brain-dead Liberals to follow suit.


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Originally Posted by SuperCub
I'm not sure there is a right way for this and I'm certainly not sure my opinions are right in this matter. In the end, I'm all for defunding the CBC. It has become a very dangerous voice in this country and something I would like to see gone. https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/defund-the-cbc

Meaingful changes to the size of the CBC staff largeness have to happen. The only way that this can occur is with a government having the backbone to cut funds and force re-organization.

This would never happen under either a Liberal or NDP / Liberal coalition. Writing a letter to either a Liberal or NDP - MP is a waste of time.

The high number of people employed in the CBC, including the 6 figure folks, will require a phased pull back. I hope this next election results in a much different look for a governing party and the CBC is reined in.

At a 4.4% of market share they need to be rebuilt. Perhaps the model is built around either the US or UK public broacasters that rely on donations from the people that watch and in turn support them.



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You’re a grump, Hugh. Plenty of criticism but no proposals to help the changes happen.

Go to riding association meetings. Write letters and forward copies to your local media. Talk to your neighbours. Support the Conservative party.


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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
You’re a grump, Hugh. Plenty of criticism but no proposals to help the changes happen. Go to riding association meetings. Write letters and forward copies to your local media. Talk to your neighbours. Support the Conservative party.

Steve, you certainly do not know me so calling me a grump is uncalled for --- but in your case not surprising.

I am very active with the conservative association and party. I talk with neighbours, friends and use social media like this forum to provide information for discussion. Living in a life long NDP riding in Alberta has been a trying experience, as letters, e-mails and calls to the local MP are ignored.



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While I am glad to hear that you are active in your area, discussions are only good when the participants put forth ideas and suggestions that can generate change.

If your MP ignores your letters, keep writing them anyway. Encourage others in your neighbourhood to do the same. If your MP has meetings, engage him politely so everyone can hear. Make your voice heard. Change does not happen quickly.

I don’t know if you are a religious person, but the message is the same: 2 Thessalonians 3:12 tells us (paraphrased) that we must keep on quietly working and never to slacken in doing what is right.

If letters do not work, discuss with your neighbours about alternative methods. Do not discourage others. If you feel communication with your MP does not work, don’t give up. And it does not mean it will not work for others, like Paul. Keep writing.

Jesus continued talking with people who sought to do him harm. Take inspiration from wherever it helps you.


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Its not about changing anything, except the public funding for a "ministry of propaganda". Grade 6 social studies.

Nobody has to be out of a job, just seek funding the propaganda and the myriad of attacks on traditional Canadian values from their own listeners and viewers. With the relentless attacks on gun owners, among other attacks, I have no idea how anyone can call anyone "grumpy",,, but someone thinks defunding the minisrty of propaganda can be de-funded or programming changed by writing letters? lol

CBC should be given a reasonable amount of time to fund their own network, just like any other corporation or company that has run its course.

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It is sad how what appeared to me to be a polite rational conversation on differing views on how to achieve the same outcome needs ad hominem comments. Sticking to issues and methods helps all of us develop better ideas and thoughts, it’s the inevitable outcome of polite rational debate even if the debate becomes vigorous.

Now Steve you did not go full “Big Stick” 😃but let’s stick to the issues.

But then I must tell myself this is the internet.

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You have to make suggestions, not just criticize without presenting any alternatives.

As often happens on this and other boards, people like to complain but rarely put forth any suggestions or possible ways forward. Paul and others should be encouraged to engage their MPs, write them and get the media involved as I said earlier.

Let me be clear. I thought Paul’s response was rational. He was looking for ways to move the situation forward.


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Paul’s (I’m assuming Supercub is Paul) position was rational, well thought out and logically defensible. He was eloquent and very clear in his position.

Some of us have different perspectives and stated them. A slow pull of the bandaid vs the quick pull of the bandaid. We stated them.

My go forward suggestion for the CBC 1/3 cut of budget in year 1, 2, 3. By year 4 $0 tax dollars in. Let the chips fall where they may.

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Regardless of how it will happen, it will be politicians who will accomplish this. We have to make our position known.

We manage this through communication. Emails, letters and live discussions as I suggested earlier. What else can be legally done?

Paul noted that there are many employees who would be thrown out of work if the doors were locked overnight. That, and the fact that the CBC is a legal entity makes quick dissolution impossible.

When it happens, the shutdown will be orderly and in accordance with the law.


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There is a need for a national broadcaster, not this white elephant that the CBC has become. Like all government organizations it has departed from its original mandate and has become a top heavy parasitic entity chasing more and more public funds. It supports the parties that will provide it with the best future and becomes the mouthpiece for those parties.

As a once long time listener to CBC radio 1, I completely avoid it now since it has become a complete left wing disaster. Bring back the original old CBC.

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So, do you have to pay a TV Tax like they do in Britain, apparently whether you consume their crud or not, and even if you watch online content instead of over the air or cable?

Might be a regular tax for radios too, I forget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_United_Kingdom

Good news, if you’re legally blind, you only have to pay half the tax! That’s logical, after all you’re only getting have the dose…. er content.

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No, we do not pay a TV tax or a radio tax like in the UK. The CBC is given money by the government. Look under "financing" on this page for an explanation of where they get their money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
No, we do not pay a TV tax or a radio tax like in the UK. The CBC is given money by the government. Look under "financing" on this page for an explanation of where they get their money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation
In other words, yes, we pay for the CBC and other MSM with our tax dollars.

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There is a need for a national broadcaster, not this white elephant that the CBC has become. Like all government organizations it has departed from its original mandate and has become a top heavy parasitic entity chasing more and more public funds. It supports the parties that will provide it with the best future and becomes the mouthpiece for those parties.

As a once long time listener to CBC radio 1, I completely avoid it now since it has become a complete left wing disaster. Bring back the original old CBC.

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Why do we need a national (publicly funded) broadcaster? Private industry is more than capable, and the business model works for many media companies.

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It is sad how what appeared to me to be a polite rational conversation on differing views on how to achieve the same outcome needs ad hominem comments. Sticking to issues and methods helps all of us develop better ideas and thoughts, it’s the inevitable outcome of polite rational debate even if the debate becomes vigorous.

Now Steve you did not go full “Big Stick” 😃but let’s stick to the issues.

But then I must tell myself this is the internet.
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Paul’s (I’m assuming Supercub is Paul) position was rational, well thought out and logically defensible. He was eloquent and very clear in his position.

Some of us have different perspectives and stated them. A slow pull of the bandaid vs the quick pull of the bandaid. We stated them.

My go forward suggestion for the CBC 1/3 cut of budget in year 1, 2, 3. By year 4 $0 tax dollars in. Let the chips fall where they may.

This. Although I might be inclined to tear off the band-aid even quicker. grin

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Working for the gov't or a gov't entity is not a job for life. They should never have permitted the federal public service to unionize and they should not be funding their own private ministry of propaganda.

Milei in Argentina shut down 12 of 23 ministries in his country. Yes, a lot of gov't jobs are gone - jobs that should never have existed in the first place! And they've actually got a balanced budget right out of the gate because of this.

I will not lose tears for bureaucrats. Their singular function is to increase their own authority and reach.

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Why do we need a national (publicly funded) broadcaster? Private industry is more than capable, and the business model works for many media companies.[/quote]


Do not judge the CBC as it is now but long ago when it lived within its means and was unbiased. It provided Canadians from coast to coast to coast with stories and entertainment from Canadians that would otherwise not be carried by commercial stations. Private industry can provide the television service but I am talking more about CBC radio. Which at one time was actually entertaining and informative. Rex Murphy was even a host on Cross Country Checkup. Dump CBC tv but save the radio broadcast. Get rid of the current lefties there and return to the CBC’s original mandate.

Just look at the US to see how private industry in the media has evolved. All broadcasters are now owned by two corporations, much the same as in Canada.

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It is sad how what appeared to me to be a polite rational conversation on differing views on how to achieve the same outcome needs ad hominem comments. Sticking to issues and methods helps all of us develop better ideas and thoughts, it’s the inevitable outcome of polite rational debate even if the debate becomes vigorous.

Now Steve you did not go full “Big Stick” 😃but let’s stick to the issues.

But then I must tell myself this is the internet.
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Paul’s (I’m assuming Supercub is Paul) position was rational, well thought out and logically defensible. He was eloquent and very clear in his position.

Some of us have different perspectives and stated them. A slow pull of the bandaid vs the quick pull of the bandaid. We stated them.

My go forward suggestion for the CBC 1/3 cut of budget in year 1, 2, 3. By year 4 $0 tax dollars in. Let the chips fall where they may.

This. Although I might be inclined to tear off the band-aid even quicker. grin

Jordan;
Good morning my friend, I hope the day's looking bright out your way and that you and your fine family are well on this last Friday of the 2nd month.

My first point is that I've had the honor and distinct pleasure of meeting GRF and his gracious wife in their home where they shared a meal and a wonderful visit with me. Although the interaction was brief, as a lifelong student of our fellow humans I can say with confidence his opinion on business and business activities carry considerable weight with me.

Not that he needs some little old BC redneck backing up his thoughts, but there it is.

As mentioned in my post, throughout my working life I was able to survive and thrive thereafter when my work disappeared with absolutely zero warning.

Therefore to be clear, my solution is to shut down all operations related to the CBC in as fast a manner as legally possible, sell off any and all assets and put that money towards paying down the national debt.

While I have written to my MP on other issues, his response has led me to the place of now working to have someone else elected, putting him out of his present work as well.

All that to say, once again I'm in agreement with you Jordan in that we need to start to remedy this quickly.

Using the "bandaid" analogy, we as a country are hemorrhaging money and amassing a huge debt load that our children will be saddled with. We need to stop that financial bleeding and no bandaid solution will suffice.

Not anymore.

All the best.

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Dwayne; thank you for your kind words. If you ever get the chance to talk to Jordan face to face take it for he is “a man of the first water”

And conversely Jordan if you have the opportunity to meet with Dwayne please do so for is also “a man of the first water.”

Hope all y’all have a wonderful weekend

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Dwayne, good to hear from you, my friend. Hopefully the weekend is going well for you and yours.

Regarding hunting and shooting, I was “all-in” from a very young age, despite my parents being strangers to that world, and my grandfather being inactive for many years. GRF was a mentor to me in those formative years, taking me hunting, teaching me to butcher game, and overall just showing me a great example of how to be a good person. I will always be grateful for his generosity in taking a young boy under his wing.

Now back to the topic of the OP, I completely agree that we need to stop the bleeding as quickly as possible. Tear off the bandaid and get some stitches in. wink It wouldn’t hurt my feelings at all if we followed the example of Argentina in this.

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Originally Posted by GRF
Dwayne; thank you for your kind words. If you ever get the chance to talk to Jordan face to face take it for he is “a man of the first water”

And conversely Jordan if you have the opportunity to meet with Dwayne please do so for is also “a man of the first water.”

Hope all y’all have a wonderful weekend

George
Thanks for the kind words, George!

I certainly have that idea earmarked in my mental organizational system, and will definitely take the opportunity should it arise.

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