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Yep, first year sharpie, down from the North Woods. The square tail end shape is a field mark. Cooper’s hawks are very similar but run larger with a more rounded tail.
(BTW now that Ornithology has gone Woke, Coopers will soon be called something else.) This ^^^ I see more Cooper's. Look like they have the same M.O. - hunting the backyard bird feeders. ![[Linked Image from i.ytimg.com]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pOS_eRUbcTk/maxresdefault.jpg) Yep, ambush hunters. Shorter wings mean they’re stuck in low gear, they accelerate fast but reach their maybe 45-50 top speed pretty quick. Light weight and maneuverable, can turn on half a dime. Long legs to give a long reach. Check out the foot on that sharpshin. The heavier first toe and talon in conjunction with the hind toe do the actual killing. The middle toe is long and thin to extend the reach so as to hook the prey with that talon. Bird hunters mostly, especially the more lightly built sharpshin. Good observations ^^^
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I'm still calling those low flying ones hunting quail and stuff around these parts "marsh hawks". <Ahem!>…. northern harrier, likely to remain so as there are no dead White guys involved.
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“Merlin” by Cornell Labs is an excellent app. It can ID birds by a photo or their calls.
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Yep, first year sharpie, down from the North Woods. The square tail end shape is a field mark. Cooper’s hawks are very similar but run larger with a more rounded tail.
(BTW now that Ornithology has gone Woke, Coopers will soon be called something else.) I plan to continue with the old names...
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I'm still calling those low flying ones hunting quail and stuff around these parts "marsh hawks". <Ahem!>…. northern harrier, likely to remain so as there are no dead White guys involved. Well this Live white dude will continue to call it a marsh hawk, as that's what it was when I was growing up. Some folks still think bluegill are "brim" or "bream" and some folks think crawdads are "crayfish" or "crawfish" . Just 'cause they think so don't mean I'm going to change my mind 
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In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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My guess is sharp shin. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/vBZ4hrQd/SharpShin1.jpg)
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I'm still calling those low flying ones hunting quail and stuff around these parts "marsh hawks". <Ahem!>…. northern harrier, likely to remain so as there are no dead White guys involved. Well this Live white dude will continue to call it a marsh hawk, as that's what it was when I was growing up. Some folks still think bluegill are "brim" or "bream" and some folks think crawdads are "crayfish" or "crawfish" . Just 'cause they think so don't mean I'm going to change my mind Ya well, just as long as it’s “buffalo” and not “bison”. I seen it on that Kevin Costner flick…. “Ta tonka heech eh pee elo! TA TON KA HEECH EH PEE ELO!! (the White guy has seen buffalo, THE WHITE GUY HAS SEEN BUFFALO) not bison.
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Buffalo it shall be then.
Maybe buffler?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Makes flyin' a drone more fun........
Yes....they will come after it.......
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Makes flyin' a drone more fun........
Yes....they will come after it....... Baldies get very aggressive with drones...
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Yep, first year sharpie, down from the North Woods. The square tail end shape is a field mark. Cooper’s hawks are very similar but run larger with a more rounded tail.
(BTW now that Ornithology has gone Woke, Coopers will soon be called something else.) I plan to continue with the old names... I stick with the old names too; Kestrels are still sparrow hawks and Merlins will be pigeon hawks ...
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I stick with the old names too;
Kestrels are still sparrow hawks and Merlins will be pigeon hawks ... No harm, but the old names will die with us. For my own part I remember sparrow hawks from my English childhood ( never saw one, just remember the name). The Eurasian sparrowhawk is closely related but splits the difference between sharpshins and Coopers. The males are down in the sharpshin size range, females up in Cooper’s, biggest size difference of any raptor. The name fits too. Likewise over there a merlin is a merlin (and a bit small to prey regularly on pigeons) and kestrels have always been kestrels. While I’m at it the Eurasian robin is a small bird roughly equivalent to our bluebird, but far more common because it builds a regular nest instead of competing with house sparrows for nesting cavities. Our Robin is equivalent to their blackbird, a common black thrush on everybody’s lawn. For some reason, nobody over here seecalls peregrines duck hawks anymore. Of course over there they were always called peregrines.
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Yep, first year sharpie, down from the North Woods. The square tail end shape is a field mark. Cooper’s hawks are very similar but run larger with a more rounded tail.
(BTW now that Ornithology has gone Woke, Coopers will soon be called something else.) What was wrong with Cooper? I did a search engine search but all that I came up with was that the Cooper hawk was named after William Cooper by his friend Charles Bonaparte the nephew of Napoleon.
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Beautiful birds. What I discovered is that even small ones have talons that are nuclear powered. They don't bite hard. But these talons will go all the way through thins parts of your hand. This is one I found stunned on a busy road during rush hour. It had blood in the nostril on the other side. Must have dived into the road after a bird, or got hit by a car. I picked it up and took it to the wild animal vet at animnal control's request. By the time I got there, it had come to. It latched into my hand and one of the talons went through the web between the middle and ring finger and out the other side. Another almost went through the palm. Luckily a bone stopped it. For a bird about the size of a crow, they have a crushing grip. They kill by impaling. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/s5EuZcj.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/nNYwgJO.jpg)
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Yep, first year sharpie, down from the North Woods. The square tail end shape is a field mark. Cooper’s hawks are very similar but run larger with a more rounded tail.
(BTW now that Ornithology has gone Woke, Coopers will soon be called something else.) What was wrong with Cooper? I did a search engine search but all that I came up with was that the Cooper hawk was named after William Cooper by his friend Charles Bonaparte the nephew of Napoleon. I"m curious too. I'm sure something beyond stupid like the woke idiots always do
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I keep the bird feeder full
Although a very mild/no valley snow winter
Still fun to watch a Cooper come in and grab a collared Dove
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Let us all never forget the chickenhawk. Although it's likely to die out with our generation as that cartoon is probably deemed inappropriate for today's children ![[Linked Image from i.imgflip.com]](https://i.imgflip.com/3sn3ct.jpg)
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In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Yep, first year sharpie, down from the North Woods. The square tail end shape is a field mark. Cooper’s hawks are very similar but run larger with a more rounded tail.
(BTW now that Ornithology has gone Woke, Coopers will soon be called something else.) What was wrong with Cooper? I did a search engine search but all that I came up with was that the Cooper hawk was named after William Cooper by his friend Charles Bonaparte the nephew of Napoleon. I"m curious too. I'm sure something beyond stupid like the woke idiots always do What does this tell you? “There is power in a name, and some English bird names have associations with the past that continue to be exclusionary and harmful today,” says president.
“The time has come for us to transform this process and redirect the focus to the birds, where it belongs,” says CEO. or this: Ornithologists have long grappled with historical and contemporary practices that contribute to the exclusion of Black, Indigenous, and other people of color, including how birds are named. For example, in 2020, the AOS renamed a small prairie songbird found on the Great Plains to “Thick-billed Longspur.” The bird’s original name—honoring John P. McCown, an amateur naturalist who later became a general in the Confederate Army during the U.S. Civil War—was perceived as a painful link to slavery and racism. you can read it right from the the folks doing it here https://americanornithology.org/ame...ames-of-bird-species-named-after-people/
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In it is death and all you seek
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As to renaming: The American Ornithological Society intends to focus on species named after enslavers, white supremacists and robbers of Indigenous graves. More "woke" changing history BS. On talon grip: I've mentioned before our picking up of an injured Golden Eagle. We literally could not get it to release a limb grasped in its talons. Had to cut off both ends and bag it up still clutching the remains. I'm pretty sure some of their tendons go over center, and it takes conscious effort on their part to initiate a release. I've seen a few owls in defensive mode, and their posture is to rest on their back and extend their feet toward the menace. When dealing with raptors, my advice is "don't go there."
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As a teenager I took care of a redtailed hawk for several weeks. For food, a buddy and I shot sparrows and rats at his horse barn. I just tied the unlucky sparrows or rats to the perch and it would “kill” it again and go to town.
I can vouch for their grip. I had what I think was a welder’s glove and it would squeeze the snot out of my hand and it felt like it was just short of penetrating the leather. .
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