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Illegals are part of 'all men'. So they have the same rights as citizens? Do illegals therefore have the right to be armed, religion, speech, assembly, etc?

Voting is/was a limited right. Ie. long ago it was men, land owners.
Depends on which services.
Owning property is not a right but a privilege/burden, depending.
Legal process is a right, I think, except on Jan. 6. miles

It IS a right and our government has unilaterally revoked it illegally. The SCOTUS should have stopped this farce long ago. Part of legal process is the right to a fast trial. The Brits had a habit of holding accused people for years without taking them to trial. The founders put that in the constitution to prevent exactly what they're doing to these people.

I'm saying it wasn't written to address the current situation.

I think generally, yes. The claim of "certain unalienable rights" is in The Declaration of Independence, which predated The Constitution by some years. Our rights to assembly, free speech, religion, and others, are NOT granted by The Bill of Rights. They existed before that. The Bill of Rights just makes it clear that Gov't will pass no law infringing upon them. They came from God, Not .gov. This is a very important distinction.

Edited to add: Since illegal immigrants have committed a crime by coming here, they may have forfeited some of their rights. Maybe one of the legal scholars will chime in to clarify.

How about this[voting]:
Fed employed, no voting in national elections[to include POTUS and congressional elections].

Same down the line, state & local levels.

I agree with Geno (Valsdad) with one caveat.
Only property owners should be able to vote on bond issues.
Property owners are the ones who have to pay the tab for those. (At least here in NM)

As far as the original question, not equal rights - but human rights, yes.
I don't want China, or Chinese companies, owning property in the US, but citizens of Chinese descent should be able to.

Because property taxes are not included in rent and retail prices.

The constitution says that any rights not given the fed by the constitution belongs to the people or the states. Needless to say, that clause has been totally ignored by the fed. Citizenship was largely determined by the states. The use of the word 'citizen' in the constitution is vague but it does say that the president must be a natural born citizen. 'Natural born' has been debated but it generally means that you must have been a citizen at birth, not naturalized. Definitions get messy here.

[quote]I don't want China, or Chinese companies, owning property in the US, but legal citizens of Chinese descent should be able to.quote]
changed a little, but I agree. miles

Please keep posting with all of your opinions and information about what is permitted. Very much appreciated - your posts are thought provoking. Thank you each for taking the time to prepare cogent posts.


As best as I understand, China does not permit non-citizens to own real estate within China; even if a foreigner were to marry a Chinese citizen and reside within China, only the Chinese citizen could hold title to real estate, such as a home. I do not know what applies when the Chinese spouse dies, but I suspect that the non-citizen spouse cannot inherit the real estate.

I also understand (I certainly could be wrong!) two further restrictions China places on non-citizens: (1) a non-citizen cannot have majority ownership of a business within China and (2) it is nearly impossible to transfer more than appx $25,000 USD out of China in a lifetime, even for Chinese citizens.

My preference would be that the USA enact reciprocal restrictions tailored to each country based on that country’s restrictions.

But, would these restrictions be constitutionally permissible?

You are right. That is why the process of amending was provided. Amending was purposely made difficult though.

Wouldn't it have been nice if the 2nd was worded a bit different to address the current situation. How about 'a well armed populace being necessary for the security of a free people the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed by the government of these United States, the states, or any subdivision thereof'.