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On Sunday The New York Times published an explosive and very belated full admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine wartime decision-making, but has established and financed high tech command-and-control spy centers, and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago.

Among the biggest revelations is that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine's intelligence services has "transformed" the former Soviet state and its capabilities into "Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today."

This has included the agency having secretly trained and equipped Ukrainian intelligence officers spanning back to just after the 2014 Maidan coup events, as well constructing a network of 12 secret bases along the Russian border—work which began eight years ago. These intelligence bases, from which Russian commanders' communications can be swept up and Russian spy satellites monitored, are being used launch and track cross-border drone and missile attacks on Russian territory

This means that with the disclosure of the longtime "closely guarded secret" the world just got a big step closer to WW3, given it means the CIA is largely responsible for the effectiveness of the recent spate of attacks which have included direct drone hits on key oil refineries and energy infrastructure.

"Without them [the CIA and elite commandoes it's trained], there would have been no way for us to resist the Russians, or to beat them," according to Ivan Bakanov, former head of the SBU, which is Ukraine’s domestic intelligence agency.

A main source of the NYT revelations—disclosures which might come as no surprise to those never willing to so easily swallow the mainstream 'official' narrative of events—is identified as a top intelligence commander named Gen. Serhii Dvoretskiy.

Clearly, Kiev and Washington now want world to know of the deep intelligence relationship they tried to conceal for over the past decade. It is perhaps a kind of warning to Moscow at a moment Ukraine's forces are in retreat: the US is fighting hand in glove with the Ukrainians. And yet the revelations contained in the NY Times report also confirm what President Putin has precisely accused Washington of all along.

While the lengthy NYT report is full of fresh revelations and confirmation of just how deeply the CIA has always been involved in Ukraine, below are seven of the biggest contained in the story...

Description of secret spy bunker

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The report contains a surprisingly detailed description of one of the 'secret' underground command centers established by the CIA near the Russian border... location undisclosed of course:

Not far away, a discreet passageway descends to a subterranean bunker where teams of Ukrainian soldiers track Russian spy satellites and eavesdrop on conversations between Russian commanders. On one screen, a red line followed the route of an explosive drone threading through Russian air defenses from a point in central Ukraine to a target in the Russian city of Rostov.

The underground bunker, built to replace the destroyed command center in the months after Russia’s invasion, is a secret nerve center of Ukraine’s military.

There is also one more secret: The base is almost fully financed, and partly equipped, by the CIA.

Elite commando force

Within two years after the 2014 West-backed coup in Ukraine, the CIA had set up a training program for elite Ukrainian operatives:

Around 2016, the CIA began training an elite Ukrainian commando force — known as Unit 2245 — which captured Russian drones and communications gear so that CIA technicians could reverse-engineer them and crack Moscow’s encryption systems. (One officer in the unit was Kyrylo Budanov, now the general leading Ukraine’s military intelligence.)

And the CIA also helped train a new generation of Ukrainian spies who operated inside Russia, across Europe, and in Cuba and other places where the Russians have a large presence.

Ukraine transformed into an "intelligence-gathering hub"

The US intelligence network in Ukraine (which is tantamount to NATO intelligence network too) has in reality been more extensive than pretty much all prior media speculation has envisioned. Ukraine has long been a massive "intelligence gathering hub" for Washington and its partners:


In more than 200 interviews, current and former officials in Ukraine, the United States and Europe described a partnership that nearly foundered from mutual distrust before it steadily expanded, turning Ukraine into an intelligence-gathering hub that intercepted more Russian communications than the CIA station in Kyiv, Ukraine, could initially handle. Many of the officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence and matters of sensitive diplomacy.

Now these intelligence networks are more important than ever, as Russia is on the offensive and Ukraine is more dependent on sabotage and long-range missile strikes that require spies far behind enemy lines. And they are increasingly at risk: If Republicans in Congress end military funding to Kyiv, the CIA may have to scale back.

Huge NYT admission that Putin was basically right

Below is a hugely ironic excerpt from the Times report. The section begins by noting that Putin has repeatedly blamed the US-NATO for expanding its military and intelligence infrastructure into Ukraine. Not only had this precisely been going on for the past decade, as is now being admitted, but was presented by the Kremlin as a key cause of the Russian invasion of Feb.24, 2022. Putin and his officials were adamant on the eve of the invasion that NATO was militarizing Ukraine. The Times appears to now fully admit that, yes - this was actually the case:

Putin has long blamed Western intelligence agencies for manipulating Kyiv and sowing anti-Russia sentiment in Ukraine.

Toward the end of 2021, according to a senior European official, Putin was weighing whether to launch his full-scale invasion when he met with the head of one of Russia’s main spy services, who told him that the CIA, together with Britain’s MI6, were controlling Ukraine and turning it into a beachhead for operations against Moscow.

...U.S. officials were often reluctant to fully engage, fearing that Ukrainian officials could not be trusted, and worrying about provoking the Kremlin.Yet a tight circle of Ukrainian intelligence officials assiduously courted the CIA and gradually made themselves vital to the Americans. In 2015, Gen. Valeriy Kondratiuk, then Ukraine’s head of military intelligence, arrived at a meeting with the CIA’s deputy station chief and without warning handed over a stack of top-secret files.


2014 Coup... and Crimea

The report indirectly references this very critical period which set Ukraine and Russian on their tragic collision course:


With violence escalating, an unmarked U.S. government plane touched down at an airport in Kyiv carrying John Brennan, then the director of the CIA. He told Nalyvaichenko that the CIA was interested in developing a relationship but only at a pace the agency was comfortable with, according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials.

To the CIA, the unknown question was how long Nalyvaichenko and the pro-Western government would be around. The CIA had been burned before in Ukraine.

...The result was a delicate balancing act. The CIA was supposed to strengthen Ukraine’s intelligence agencies without provoking the Russians. The red lines were never precisely clear, which created a persistent tension in the partnership.

Operation Goldfish

Money and advanced tech given by the CIA has allowed the Ukrainians to establish eavesdropping operations far beyond what they would otherwise be capable of. All the while, elite commando teams were being trained by the CIA in European cities as part of a program called 'Operation Goldfish'. The NYT reporting includes a bit of a 'boast' of the Ukrainians now being able to hack into Russian military networks:

In the bunker, Dvoretskiy pointed to communications equipment and large computer servers, some of which were financed by the CIA. He said his teams were using the base to hack into the Russian military’s secure communications networks.

“This is the thing that breaks into satellites and decodes secret conversations,” Dvoretskiy told a Times journalist on a tour, adding that they were hacking into spy satellites from China and Belarus, too.

...The CIA began sending equipment in 2016, after the pivotal meeting at Scattergood, Dvoretskiy said, providing encrypted radios and devices for intercepting secret enemy communications.

A stunning admission: "Tiptoeing Around Trump"

Among the most interesting and curious moments of the NYT report is a description of the CIA program's expanse under the Trump administration. The report suggests that the true scope may have even been hidden from Trump. The Russian hawks in his administration quietly did the 'dirty work', we are told:

The election of Trump in November 2016 put the Ukrainians and their CIA partners on edge.

Trump praised Putin and dismissed Russia’s role in election interference. He was suspicious of Ukraine and later tried to pressure its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, to investigate his Democratic rival, Biden, resulting in Trump’s first impeachment.


The report then emphasizes, "But whatever Trump said and did, his administration often went in the other direction. This is because Trump had put Russia hawks in key positions, including Mike Pompeo as CIA director and John Bolton as national security adviser."

And further, "They visited Kyiv to underline their full support for the secret partnership, which expanded to include more specialized training programs and the building of additional secret bases." Given the attempt to place Trump in a negative light (he had to be 'tiptoed around'...), it will be interesting to see how he and his campaign respond to the report. But more consequential will be the reaction of Putin and the Kremlin in the coming days.


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Jag and I told you this 3 years ago.....but you called us crazy.


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Originally Posted by high_country_
Jag and I told you this 3 years ago.....but you called us crazy.

Jaggy is completely insane or incredibly stupid. Qtard...explains everything.

The info in the article should not surprise anyone with a brain.

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The bear poking continues.

These phuuckers are hell bent on starting WWIII

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Are You saying that the CCPIA on our behalf is responsible for 47k Dead Ukielunder’s

Preposterous

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Originally Posted by akrange
Are You saying that the CCPIA on our behalf is responsible for 47k Dead Ukielunder’s

Preposterous
If you're keeping score, put down the bong. Ukies dead surpassed 500,000 a while ago. Between 700 and 1,000 perished in a single Eskander missile attack the other day. 70 year old men are surrendering. Injured casualties are easily as high or higher. These are WWII level losses. How Zelensky stays in power is a mystery even with his SAS body guards. Neocons are Evil.

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Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Originally Posted by akrange
Are You saying that the CCPIA on our behalf is responsible for 47k Dead Ukielunder’s

Preposterous
If you're keeping score, put down the bong. Ukies dead surpassed 500,000 a while ago. Between 700 and 1,000 perished in a single Eskander missile attack the other day. 70 year old men are surrendering. Injured casualties are easily as high or higher. These are WWII level losses. How Zelensky stays in power is a mystery even with his SAS body guards. Neocons are Evil.

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The first casualty of war is truth.


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Oh, I was angry long ago. Ukraine is still paying an awfully high price destroying NATO by proxy, bankrupting the Anglo/Zionist cabal and crushing America with its own stupidity. Yeah, guess I still am, maybe worse?

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Sounds like it confirms what most of us knew several years ago. That the US gov and our CIA were the instigators in the whole thing.

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Don’t we have 500 new sanctions on Russia though?


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Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Oh, I was angry long ago. Ukraine is still paying an awfully high price destroying NATO by proxy, bankrupting the Anglo/Zionist cabal and crushing America with its own stupidity. Yeah, guess I still am, maybe worse?


The People that cause this have no Problem with their Template anywhere and at anytime..

I’m thinking our Invasion is the Catalyst of their next Move

They seem to have Very Strong Conviction on Destroying the Constitution and it’s Protections

Like a Statue in a Park Somewhere they take down soon it’s Forgotten..

I guess their just not that Confident on Owning the Judicial System even with Lipsey Bisquick and the Derby Donkey named Mitch filling every opening on benches with Malcontents..

Strong Mojo that Constitution maybe it has something to do with those White Guys that Forged it ..

Who Knows their Psychopaths..

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The Cold War didn't end when The other side was defeated we just turned up the temperature. If they're not defeated and replaced with sane people, our government is going to be the death of the World when they manage to trip the mine that can destroy civilization. We are governed by malevolent demented fools.

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You mean to tell me our CIA was spying on the Russians???


No way.



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Originally Posted by akrange
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Oh, I was angry long ago. Ukraine is still paying an awfully high price destroying NATO by proxy, bankrupting the Anglo/Zionist cabal and crushing America with its own stupidity. Yeah, guess I still am, maybe worse?


The People that cause this have no Problem with their Template anywhere and at anytime..

I’m thinking our Invasion is the Catalyst of their next Move

They seem to have Very Strong Conviction on Destroying the Constitution and it’s Protections

Like a Statue in a Park Somewhere they take down soon it’s Forgotten..

I guess their just not that Confident on Owning the Judicial System even with Lipsey Bisquick and the Derby Donkey named Mitch filling every opening on benches with Malcontents..

Strong Mojo that Constitution maybe it has something to do with those White Guys that Forged it ..

Who Knows their Psychopaths..
Can you speak rational English?

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Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Sounds like it confirms what most of us knew several years ago. That the US gov and our CIA were the instigators in the whole thing.

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What would happen if Russia had 12 secret bases in Poland through cooperation with the Polish Govt?


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Originally Posted by Upperplainsman
Originally Posted by akrange
Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Oh, I was angry long ago. Ukraine is still paying an awfully high price destroying NATO by proxy, bankrupting the Anglo/Zionist cabal and crushing America with its own stupidity. Yeah, guess I still am, maybe worse?


The People that cause this have no Problem with their Template anywhere and at anytime..

I’m thinking our Invasion is the Catalyst of their next Move

They seem to have Very Strong Conviction on Destroying the Constitution and it’s Protections

Like a Statue in a Park Somewhere they take down soon it’s Forgotten..

I guess their just not that Confident on Owning the Judicial System even with Lipsey Bisquick and the Derby Donkey named Mitch filling every opening on benches with Malcontents..

Strong Mojo that Constitution maybe it has something to do with those White Guys that Forged it ..

Who Knows their Psychopaths..
Can you speak rational English?



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Originally Posted by hicountry
The bear poking continues.

These phuuckers are hell bent on starting WWIII

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Originally Posted by high_country_
Jag and I told you this 3 years ago.....but you called us crazy.

You must have confused with another old guy...

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Don’t we have 500 new sanctions on Russia though?


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"Regarding The Ukraine, Putin did the right thing." - top comment on ZH right now


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Originally Posted by smokepole
You mean to tell me our CIA was spying on the Russians???


No way.


It is like books were never invented. The CIA has been spying on other nations and training and supplying those that might be useful to us since its' inception.

It is kind of their job. It is too bad that they don't stick to their charter and actually work for our nation.


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Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
On Sunday The New York Times published an explosive and very belated full admission that US intelligence....

This "admission" is planted by the IC. That's what they use the NY Times for.

The real question should be - why now? Timing is everything........

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Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
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Jag and I told you this 3 years ago.....but you called us crazy.

Jaggy is completely insane or incredibly stupid. Qtard...explains everything.

The info in the article should not surprise anyone with a brain.
Yup. Jag means well, but Q is insane. Also, Ive been saying this for like a year plus. CIA causes chaos around the world. Nalvany (spelling) was a CIA plant trying to oust Putin. Didnt work lol. CIA is who put zelensky in power. There are, at least were, biolabs in Ukraine. The globalists hate Russia and are doing everything they can to provoke a war. They dont care how many die. Covid was man made from a lab in China funded by you all know who. There is a lot of this stuff out there that clueless fuggers pretend are conspiracies, but they all end up being true.

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The Globalist don’t Hate Russia..

They want it’s Wealth..

They will Kill to get it using the CCPIA

By Any Means at Their Disposal..

Including You Sons ..

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I still get a kick out of the jackasses who still think Ukrainians are doing the fighting in Ukraine. Nato and the US has had boots on the ground for some time. None of this is ground breaking, but some will still argue the points. We are in WW3. China is going to get involved. We are going to get the chit kicked out of us. We dont have the people anymore, hence the illegals joining up bill. We all know that the US gov is nothing by liars and crooks, yet so many still trust those fuggers. The positive is, many are waking up. Millions in this country alone understand what is happening. Its a good start

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Originally Posted by akrange
The Globalist don’t Hate Russia..

They want it’s Wealth..

They will Kill to get it using the CCPIA

By Any Means at Their Disposal..

Including You Sons ..
I disagree. Globalists do hate them due to them being mostly white, religious nation. They dont put up with the homo tranny chit. They dont allow the degenerate garbage that western society promotes these days. BRICS is an issue as well. The dollar is dying and the US will not allow any nation to share power. The globalists are willing to send nukes flying and kill billions of people to keep that power.

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Originally Posted by rainshot
The Cold War didn't end when The other side was defeated we just turned up the temperature. If they're not defeated and replaced with sane people, our government is going to be the death of the World when they manage to trip the mine that can destroy civilization. We are governed by malevolent demented fools.
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I am just simple I guess. Was hoping for some clarification about mojo, fat white guys and psychopaths and stuff. No sheep here either. Just an old retired dumb ass.

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What are they deflecting from? I wonder what is going to come up in the news in the very near future that they want covered up? Or is the larger picture to try to sway votes to Biden over these revelations? Seems kind of suspicious coming out at this time...


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Originally Posted by Tyrone
What would happen if Russia had 12 secret bases in Poland through cooperation with the Polish Govt?
Do you really think the Russians don't have secret Intel collection facilities?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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I have came to the conclusion that Russia was never the enemy that our Government, with the aid of ABC, NBC, CBS, led us to believe. Only after Al Gore invented the internet, did we start getting an idea of what is really happening. A lot of people are still in denial, but folks, we have been played for a long time. miles


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Paul Craig Roberts argues that Putin should get it over with. Makes sense. Saving Ukie lives and infrastructure is honorable but gives NATO time to intensify attacks on Russian civilians and prolong the slaughter on Ukraine, even though they know they are defeated. The greater the devastation, greater the need for rebuilding, ergo opportunity for massive theft of invaluable resources as well as pilfered reconstruction funds. Weduhpeeble will fund a new Marshall plan. Count on it! The Oligarchs that fled home to Israel are itching to return as soon as the place is totally ruined and the money is ready. Putin better leave them the dregs, hang onto Odessa and other Black Sea ports.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tyrone
What would happen if Russia had 12 secret bases in Poland through cooperation with the Polish Govt?
Do you really think the Russians don't have secret Intel collection facilities?

But do they have Bioweapons factories in Canada because we know that the Soviets had (have) agents there..


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Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
But do they have Bioweapons factories in Canada because we know that the Soviets had (have) agents there..

Hell, they've got one in Montana. Level 4.

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Great. We march down the path to WW3.

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It’s more than intel facilities. The article basically states/admits the CIA was behind the Ukrainian coup in 2014 and began to wage secret war on the Russians in conjunction with thr new Ukrainian government at that time.

Or, you know, pretty much exactly what Putin said and used as his justification for invading Ukraine.

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Russia is a poor country with huge natural resources. Instead of befriending them and trading with them our government has tried to destroy them NATO is a Washington run global hit squad.
Fear and hatred run deep in Washington and all new congressmen are brought to heel. Stalin’s reign of terror and the old USSR corruption might’ve been a catalyst for the hatred but Putin’s reign has been pretty benevolent.
There are many reasons to befriend Russia as America is fast becoming the world’s worst nightmare.

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Originally Posted by milespatton
I have came to the conclusion that Russia was never the enemy that our Government, with the aid of ABC, NBC, CBS, led us to believe. Only after Al Gore invented the internet, did we start getting an idea of what is really happening. A lot of people are still in denial, but folks, we have been played for a long time. miles
Yup, lot’s of folks have been played by The Deep State and its willing media accomplices on this and other news stories. Russia’s propaganda machine pales in comparison to ours. US started this Ukraine mess. Russia has always considered Ukraine part of Russia. Tragedy that so many have been killed and wounded on both sides.

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Originally Posted by milespatton
I have came to the conclusion that Russia was never the enemy that our Government, with the aid of ABC, NBC, CBS, led us to believe. Only after Al Gore invented the internet, did we start getting an idea of what is really happening. A lot of people are still in denial, but folks, we have been played for a long time. miles
You are correct sir!

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Originally Posted by Crash_Pad
Paul Craig Roberts argues that Putin should get it over with. Makes sense. Saving Ukie lives and infrastructure is honorable but gives NATO time to intensify attacks on Russian civilians and prolong the slaughter on Ukraine, even though they know they are defeated. The greater the devastation, greater the need for rebuilding, ergo opportunity for massive theft of invaluable resources as well as pilfered reconstruction funds. Weduhpeeble will fund a new Marshall plan. Count on it! The Oligarchs that fled home to Israel are itching to return as soon as the place is totally ruined and the money is ready. Putin better leave them the dregs, hang onto Odessa and other Black Sea ports.
Russia could end this in a day by unleashing hell in Ukraine. Russia views this war in Ukraine as a civil war of types and they are trying to hold back. Russia has already came out and said this exact thing and warned that if Poland is feeling froggy, the will level the entire country, paraphrasing this of course

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Originally Posted by rainshot
Russia is a poor country with huge natural resources. Instead of befriending them and trading with them our government has tried to destroy them NATO is a Washington run global hit squad.
Fear and hatred run deep in Washington and all new congressmen are brought to heel. Stalin’s reign of terror and the old USSR corruption might’ve been a catalyst for the hatred but Putin’s reign has been pretty benevolent.
There are many reasons to befriend Russia as America is fast becoming the world’s worst nightmare.

And if the government implodes...
Who gets this natural Resources?

China.


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What would happen if Russia had 12 secret bases in Poland through cooperation with the Polish Govt?
Do you really think the Russians don't have secret Intel collection facilities?
Nothing like what the CIA has in the Ukraine. To have that high-level of installations requires host government cooperation. That isn't about to happen in Poland.


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Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Originally Posted by rainshot
Russia is a poor country with huge natural resources. Instead of befriending them and trading with them our government has tried to destroy them NATO is a Washington run global hit squad.
Fear and hatred run deep in Washington and all new congressmen are brought to heel. Stalin’s reign of terror and the old USSR corruption might’ve been a catalyst for the hatred but Putin’s reign has been pretty benevolent.
There are many reasons to befriend Russia as America is fast becoming the world’s worst nightmare.

And if the government implodes...
Who gets this natural Resources?

China.

Why would it implode? It’s stronger and in better shape than ours.

I think you need to ask that question about our own government. I suspect China has designs on making our own West Coast a Chinese satrapy.

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The Globalist don’t Hate Russia..

They want it’s Wealth..

They will Kill to get it using the CCPIA

By Any Means at Their Disposal..

Including You Sons ..
I disagree. Globalists do hate them due to them being mostly white, religious nation. They dont put up with the homo tranny chit. They dont allow the degenerate garbage that western society promotes these days. BRICS is an issue as well. The dollar is dying and the US will not allow any nation to share power. The globalists are willing to send nukes flying and kill billions of people to keep that power.


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Russia isn't a poor country at all. They smile and say,"Thank you, Joe Biden!" Sanctions have made them stronger. They have seen the writing on the wall, peaceful cooperation isn't possible with the US empire mentality. Russia and BRICS are forging mutually beneficial relations while the West founders under the collapsing Dollar financial order based on fraud backed by threat of military enforcement. That paradigm is dead as NATO on the plains of Ukraine, and the whole planet knows it.

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Despite a patriotic upbringing it has slowly dawned on me that the USA is not the "good guy" in international relations and hasn't been for several decades. Leaders in our government are downright evil and corrupt. It is a sad revelation for a former flag waver.

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Originally Posted by Morewood
Despite a patriotic upbringing it has slowly dawned on me that the USA is not the "good guy" in international relations and hasn't been for several decades. Leaders in our government are downright evil and corrupt. It is a sad revelation for a former flag waver.

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* Masks work
* The vax is safe and effective
* Putin blew up his own pipeline
* Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation
* Juicy Smollett was attacked by Trump supporters
* Benghazi was caused by a YouTube video
* Men can get pregnant
* There's 52 genders
* Mar-a-Lago is only worth $18M
* Epstein hung himself
* 2020 election was the most secure in history
* Trump colluded with Putin in 2016
* Modonna looks better after plastic surgery
* Paul Pelosi was attacked by some random dude with a hammer
* Climate change will end humanity in 10 years
* AOC can read
* The border is secure
* White supremacy is the biggest threat to America
* J6 was an insurrection
* Maroon 5 is a good band

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