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Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. Teal #19278915 03/07/24
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SDHNTR Campfire Regular S Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,162 Likes: 2	Originally Posted by Teal Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors Leopold "made in USA " is a farce. Assembled in the USA is not the same thing They must make something in the US - open reqs for Machinists - start at 20-24 an hour with assemblers making 17 an hour. I don't know how that compares to the area for them. I will say, that's less than my son is making as a Machinist with 1 year's experience (all OJT) and the difference between where he lives and the Portland area is 31% more expensive to live there than here. Originally Posted by Teal Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors Leopold "made in USA " is a farce. Assembled in the USA is not the same thing They must make something in the US - open reqs for Machinists - start at 20-24 an hour with assemblers making 17 an hour. I don't know how that compares to the area for them. I will say, that's less than my son is making as a Machinist with 1 year's experience (all OJT) and the difference between where he lives and the Portland area is 31% more expensive to live there than here. 17 bucks an hour? And $24 for a machinist? That’s a skilled trade making burger flipping money. This right here really tells the entire story. No one puts out a quality product paying cut rate wages. What a shame. I just paid my boat mechanic $175 an hour! And I have zero complaints because he’s worth every penny when I am 60 miles out in the middle of the ocean. Last edited by SDHNTR; 03/07/24.

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Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. Teal #19279157 03/07/24
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BWalker Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 9,472 Billings, Montana	Originally Posted by Teal Originally Posted by JohnBurns Originally Posted by JohnBurns Originally Posted by koshkin They seem to be falling a little behind on product development at the moment. Hopefully, they will start releasing something new soon or they will Leupold themselves into a tricky situation. ILya Snipped your post down just to address this point. Many simply don't understand the volume of scopes Leupold sells. When a company sells everything it can produce before it is produced on has to wonder what more can be done so using "Leupold" as a verb is sort of strange in that context. Leupold just released the new MK 4 line which has met with, litterally, unprecedented demand. Off the charts level of demand. I get that it's sort of a hobby here to be against the biggest player in the scope market but to act like Leupold is behind in inovation is simply silly. Originally Posted by Teal To be fair tho - demand isn't a measurement for innovation. Tacomas have very high demand but they are NOT innovative. Push rod v6 with low hp/tq and fuel mileage, manual trans, body on frame etc. High demand, well behind the curve in innovation. People buy them IN SPITE of this. That said - end of the day a scope has 1 maybe 2 jobs - ensure the bullet goes where you intend it via the crosshairs. Outside of clarity and robustness, what else can/should be improved in a riflescope as we currently know it? Automatic ranging maybe? I was addressing the false idea Leupold was not innovating. The fact that such innovation in the new MK 4 has produced massive demand is simply one more data point. The Tacoma anology is much more inline with Leupolds older VX-3 product lines which still enjoy huge demand but are older using well older proven tech. As you have admitted you are not much of a scope guy so I understand why you would try and use a poor anology. What can be improved on is the cost of top line performance. That's were the MK 4 is a stand out. Originally Posted by Big Stick Reupold is sooooo fhuqked up,they fixed the erector in my Spotting Scope. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!…………. Lil Fish, The fact you don't understand that all spotting scopes have an erector to flip the image, and Leupold installs the reticle in the erector on the spotting scopes, is always good for a smile. Keep on being you. DEMAND is not a proxy for INNOVATION. That has nothing to do with scopes, it an economic/business principle. If I introduced a tire for 11 bucks a set that was basically just a Goodyear from 2 years ago - demand would go through the roof but I've not innovated a damned thing when it comes to the tire. What's innovative for the new line? Not innovative compared to Leupold's current wares - innovative compared to the industry. What's the MK4 doing at their price point that no other scope brand can do at the same price point? Performance wise. More performance for lower consumer cost can be simply producing a line at a loss if you have the wallet and will. "Loss Leader" is a real term/thing. That's not innovation unless they ALSO increased/maintained margin. Have they? The Tacoma has (I should say had as there is a new one)a OHC variable valve timing engine.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279163 03/07/24
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Teal Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 39,096 Likes: 22 Flyover Country	Correct - my mistake, still it's generally the least innovative truck on the market. Toyota evolves, they don't innovate with them. Me

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279210 03/07/24
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Fhuqking HILARIOUS! Hint. HOPEFULLY they put a MK4 Spotting Scope erector in it! Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. Big Stick #19279345 03/07/24
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dave7mm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,744 Likes: 2 pa	Originally Posted by Big Stick Fhuqking HILARIOUS! Hint. HOPEFULLY they put a MK4 Spotting Scope erector in it! Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ I’ll give you credit there. After multiple Leopold erector failures. I could not spend money on any of there products. dave Only accurate rifles are interesting.

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Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279376 03/07/24
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Speaking of which,the MK4 Spotter has Puked three fhuqking times and now rides a shelf. Hint.(grin) Extrapolations are never not interesting and to date,the Reupold Flagship MK5 HD,is the biggest piece of fhuqking schit I've ever bought or shot. Hint. I'll start peeling Mail open tomorrow. Hopefully SWFA unveils their new crop soonly,as a "lowly" 6x MQ,crushes ALL things REUPOLD. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. Big Stick #19279533 03/07/24
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24	Originally Posted by Big Stick I'll start peeling Mail open tomorrow. Hopefully SWFA unveils their new crop soonly,as a "lowly" 6x MQ,crushes ALL things REUPOLD. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............. Yep It’s common knowledge that riflemen who depend on their equipment to engage and center punch small targets at long range, whether in battle or competition, choose a 6 power optic with a chicken stamped on it Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279593 03/07/24
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	Sweetheart, It's plum flattering,how often you think about me. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. rcamuglia #19279602 03/07/24
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PaulBarnard Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 26,558 Likes: 17 Metairie, LA	Originally Posted by rcamuglia Originally Posted by Big Stick I'll start peeling Mail open tomorrow. Hopefully SWFA unveils their new crop soonly,as a "lowly" 6x MQ,crushes ALL things REUPOLD. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............. Yep It’s common knowledge that riflemen who depend on their equipment to engage and center punch small targets at long range, whether in battle or competition, choose a 6 power optic with a chicken stamped on it Try beating a salmon to death with your Golden Ring scope then get back to me.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279605 03/07/24
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24	Friend’s scope and his Once-In-A-Lifetime Rocky Mountain Big Horn Ram. Dialed and killed with a Leupold Mark 5 HD This dude used the rifle with a Leupold Scope that he won a National Match with, The Steel Safari, to dial and kill an antelope at 840 yards. I heard the match, which is shot over 3 days on 3- three mile walk through courses, is widely regarded as the toughest rifle match in the country, and the toughest on equipment and competitors Since we all know Leupolds don’t hold zero, dial and track accurately, I think he’s lying (Got the pic at an autograph signing) 😂😂😂 Last edited by rcamuglia; 03/07/24. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

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Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279632 03/07/24
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SLM Campfire Ranger S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 18,926 NM	Rick, since Charley keeps being brought into every Leupold thread. Does he use Leupold and recommend them?

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279635 03/07/24
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,535 Likes: 6 Paradise,Alaska	How many times a day,do you think about me? Hint............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. SLM #19279653 03/07/24
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24	Originally Posted by SLM Rick, since Charley keeps being brought into every Leupold thread. Does he use Leupold and recommend them? Charley is not being “brought into every Leupold thread”. He objectively tests and evaluates all brands of rifle scopes. The scope evaluation sheet you see was performed when my friend brought his Mark 5 to Score High for a Precision Scope Mount. The evaluation is performed as part of the service and was performed by an employee Last edited by rcamuglia; 03/07/24. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279707 03/07/24
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alwaysoutdoors Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 28,076 Likes: 2 TN	I see Charley at the top of that test sheet

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279841 03/07/24
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jackmountain Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 23,686 Likes: 1 western VA	So it wasn’t your scope that was tested at score high? Weird that was never brought up in all the times that pics been posted How many times has the employee tested scopes using the fixture? Last edited by jackmountain; 03/07/24.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. jackmountain #19279867 03/07/24
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24	Originally Posted by jackmountain So it wasn’t your scope that was tested at score high? Weird that was never brought up in all the times that pics been posted How many times has the employee tested scopes using the fixture? Every scope that was mounted by the Precision Scope Mount method was evaluated The Mark 4 M5 A2’s have been stellar. That’s what the dude in the pic uses on 4 rifles and what won the Steel Safari once and finished Runner-up once Also about 3 Top Ten finishes are with that scope. Others have done as well with the Leupold at the same shoot as well as across the Nation at big shoots Last edited by rcamuglia; 03/07/24. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. JGRaider #19279885 03/07/24
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jackmountain Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 23,686 Likes: 1 western VA	Your competition track record is well documented and not questioned, but have you ever received any compensation from Leupold? Free merchandise or otherwise? Honest question. I’d love to see the new Mark 4 2.5-10 be proven reliable. Checks a lot of boxes for the $$ Last edited by jackmountain; 03/07/24.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. jackmountain #19279946 03/07/24
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24	Originally Posted by jackmountain Your competition track record is well documented and not questioned, but have you ever received any compensation from Leupold? Free merchandise or otherwise? Honest question. I’d love to see the new Mark 4 2.5-10 be proven reliable. Checks a lot of boxes for the $$ Absolutely not. I have purchased every scope with my own, hard-earned Greenbacks Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. jackmountain #19279964 03/07/24
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JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,121 Wyoming	Originally Posted by jackmountain Your competition track record is well documented and not questioned, but have you ever received any compensation from Leupold? Free merchandise or otherwise? Honest question. I’d love to see the new Mark 4 2.5-10 be proven reliable. Checks a lot of boxes for the $$ I doubt it's the scope for you. Just sayin. John Burns I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.

Re: Koshkin.......Drop Test Question Please. rcamuglia #19279980 03/07/24
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,851 Likes: 24	Originally Posted by rcamuglia Originally Posted by jackmountain So it wasn’t your scope that was tested at score high? Weird that was never brought up in all the times that pics been posted How many times has the employee tested scopes using the fixture? Every scope that was mounted by the Precision Scope Mount method was evaluated The Mark 4 M5 A2’s have been stellar. That’s what the dude in the pic uses on 4 rifles and what won the Steel Safari once and finished Runner-up once Also about 3 Top Ten finishes are with that scope. Others have done as well with the Leupold at the same shoot as well as across the Nation at big shoots I own Leupolds in VX2, VX3, Mark 4, VX6 934 yard dialed coyote kill with a VX2 560 yard dialed coyote kill with a VX3 760 yard Ibex kill with a VX3 870 yard dialed Mule Deer kill with an original Mark 4 1620 yard dialed kill Feral Goat with a Mark 4 listed 750 yard dialed kill Feral Goat the same 840 yard antelope as noted 500 yard Cow Elk with an original Mark 4 508 yard Mule deer with an original Mark 4 506 yard Mule deer with an original Mark 4 420 yard Mule deer with a VX6 578 yard Antelope with a VariX2 800 yard coyote with a VariX2 505 yard dialed Barbary Ram 760 yard dialed prairie dog with a VX3 Multiple steel plates dialed and hit out to 1825 yards Last edited by rcamuglia; 03/07/24. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

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