the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Last Friday I listened to Charlie Kirk Podcast- he was quoting Chinese Generals words about their plan to destroy the entire West. USA/Canada/Europe/Australia/NZ/++ by any means possible. They have hordes of spies in this country- the Fentanyl and other street drugs that are killing people is planned. Charlie stated the number of deaths around the world- tens of thousands, I forget the number. The Chinese Communist have no plan to lift their citizens up and enjoy the wealth of being the worlds largest manufacturer of goods. According to their top military people- world domination is their plan. It was a great podcast .
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
This man might be onto something!
Yep, very well said.
If it ever comes to that. The pink haired fairies and other leftist useful idiots will be used to drive the popular support needed to pass the legislation but they won’t be the ones conducting the raids. They’ll be the political cover to “justify” what the gov does.
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.
Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.
There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” ― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?" _Eileen Clarke
"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience." - Alexander Hamilton
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.
Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.
There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.
IIRC - there's essentially 1 active duty military person for every 3 square miles of the US. There are also a lot of crew served weapons that actually makes the math worse than that. I also saw someone on youtube do the math - if the US had EVERY M1 Abrams it owns in CONUS and they were ALL up and available (never happen) and ready to go - that's 1 Abrams for every 750 square miles of the US. Doesn't even consider getting beans and bullets to them. Our military is essentially built/staffed and designed for small country warfare on other continents and not continental warfare here without allies or protected supply chain/production like we saw in WWII. That's not going to exist in a US Civil War 2.0
Prior to the Civil War, the average American had almost zero interaction with the federal government, very little with state and mostly dealt with local governments. Should the US descend into the big economic mess - I'd expect rural Americans to go back to that basic form of interaction for the most part.
Sure there will be urban exodus - but that's where the .gov will focus their efforts. Some may get out, many won't. Those already in rural America will bug in mostly. Get their supply chain uber local, go back to the things that kept them going in the Depression. Gardens, barter and a small network of community family/friends to keep going.
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.
Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.
There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.
IIRC - there's essentially 1 active duty military person for every 3 square miles of the US. There are also a lot of crew served weapons that actually makes the math worse than that. I also saw someone on youtube do the math - if the US had EVERY M1 Abrams it owns in CONUS and they were ALL up and available (never happen) and ready to go - that's 1 Abrams for every 750 square miles of the US. Doesn't even consider getting beans and bullets to them. Our military is essentially built/staffed and designed for small country warfare on other continents and not continental warfare here without allies or protected supply chain/production like we saw in WWII. That's not going to exist in a US Civil War 2.0
Prior to the Civil War, the average American had almost zero interaction with the federal government, very little with state and mostly dealt with local governments. Should the US descend into the big economic mess - I'd expect rural Americans to go back to that basic form of interaction for the most part.
Sure there will be urban exodus - but that's where the .gov will focus their efforts. Some may get out, many won't. Those already in rural America will bug in mostly. Get their supply chain uber local, go back to the things that kept them going in the Depression. Gardens, barter and a small network of community family/friends to keep going.
That's pretty much the way I see it as well. Regardless of modernization and interconnectedness, we live in a big country and every little town and county you move through has the potential for running a gauntlet of rather surly "locals" if things get ugly. We are all Americans but since the dem/rino's have created this political divide over the last few decades, they've also created a Balkanization of sorts across the country. Outsider will be recognized quickly when entering new areas and if you're a gringo, you better be on the right side of things and have something beneficial to offer to the community or off to the ant hill for you.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” ― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?" _Eileen Clarke
"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience." - Alexander Hamilton
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
I’ve wondered about this. All the king’s men couldn’t defeat a bunch of illiterate Muslim hillbillies in 20 years, but their resolve would probably be doubled against real Americans.
"I was born in the log cabin I helped my grandfather build"
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
I’ve wondered about this. All the king’s men couldn’t defeat a bunch of illiterate Muslim hillbillies in 20 years, but their resolve would probably be doubled against real Americans.
I would contend that militarily - we kicked their ass over and over. The US wasn't pushed off the battlefield. POLITICALLY - we lost those conflicts due to lack of will or a legitimate ROE that matches warfare.
Again, the ability to put grunts on the ground in relatively small areas plays into how the .mil is constructed. They would not have that advantage over much of the US were they to turn inward.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.
Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.
There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.
IIRC - there's essentially 1 active duty military person for every 3 square miles of the US. There are also a lot of crew served weapons that actually makes the math worse than that. I also saw someone on youtube do the math - if the US had EVERY M1 Abrams it owns in CONUS and they were ALL up and available (never happen) and ready to go - that's 1 Abrams for every 750 square miles of the US. Doesn't even consider getting beans and bullets to them. Our military is essentially built/staffed and designed for small country warfare on other continents and not continental warfare here without allies or protected supply chain/production like we saw in WWII. That's not going to exist in a US Civil War 2.0
Prior to the Civil War, the average American had almost zero interaction with the federal government, very little with state and mostly dealt with local governments. Should the US descend into the big economic mess - I'd expect rural Americans to go back to that basic form of interaction for the most part.
Sure there will be urban exodus - but that's where the .gov will focus their efforts. Some may get out, many won't. Those already in rural America will bug in mostly. Get their supply chain uber local, go back to the things that kept them going in the Depression. Gardens, barter and a small network of community family/friends to keep going.
I believe that the gov will be locking the cities down , keep the population under control but to also try and keep the “rural areas” handicapped by keeping supplies from them to survive, trying to get them to move to the city
We might have to be neighbors, but I don’t have to be neighborly. John Chisum
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.
Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.
There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.
IIRC - there's essentially 1 active duty military person for every 3 square miles of the US. There are also a lot of crew served weapons that actually makes the math worse than that. I also saw someone on youtube do the math - if the US had EVERY M1 Abrams it owns in CONUS and they were ALL up and available (never happen) and ready to go - that's 1 Abrams for every 750 square miles of the US. Doesn't even consider getting beans and bullets to them. Our military is essentially built/staffed and designed for small country warfare on other continents and not continental warfare here without allies or protected supply chain/production like we saw in WWII. That's not going to exist in a US Civil War 2.0
Prior to the Civil War, the average American had almost zero interaction with the federal government, very little with state and mostly dealt with local governments. Should the US descend into the big economic mess - I'd expect rural Americans to go back to that basic form of interaction for the most part.
Sure there will be urban exodus - but that's where the .gov will focus their efforts. Some may get out, many won't. Those already in rural America will bug in mostly. Get their supply chain uber local, go back to the things that kept them going in the Depression. Gardens, barter and a small network of community family/friends to keep going.
I believe that the gov will be locking the cities down , keep the population under control but to also try and keep the “rural areas” handicapped by keeping supplies from them to survive, trying to get them to move to the city
Many of the supplies tho - food/fuel come FROM the rural areas TO the cities. .Gov will go out and try to secure but they can't let the urban areas go wild and they don't have the capabilities to take and hold that much land and space.
Many of the supplies tho - food/fuel come FROM the rural areas TO the cities. .Gov will go out and try to secure but they can't let the urban areas go wild and they don't have the capabilities to take and hold that much land and space.
Maybe they could just lock down the "Distribution Yards".
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.
I hope you're right Teal.
I'm not saying I'm right - just thinking out loud.
The US hasn't ever had to take and hold ground the size of the US while ALSO having to hold cities the size of NY, LA, Houston, Denver, Chicago, etc. while also fighting a chunk of 3 million GWOT vets in rural areas who are WELL versed in US tactics/doctrine/COINOP etc.
Like I said - we have 1 Abrams for every 750 square miles.
The US military would be stretched far beyond sustainment to take and hold large swaths of rural America.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.
I have always wondered how large a percentage of US military personnel acting overtly or surreptitiously against orders would it take to render our armed forces ineffective as a whole?
Were it to come to an actual rural vs urban civil war, just how many country boys and girls would be willing to blindingly go along with acting against like folks?
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.
Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.
There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.
IIRC - there's essentially 1 active duty military person for every 3 square miles of the US. There are also a lot of crew served weapons that actually makes the math worse than that. I also saw someone on youtube do the math - if the US had EVERY M1 Abrams it owns in CONUS and they were ALL up and available (never happen) and ready to go - that's 1 Abrams for every 750 square miles of the US. Doesn't even consider getting beans and bullets to them. Our military is essentially built/staffed and designed for small country warfare on other continents and not continental warfare here without allies or protected supply chain/production like we saw in WWII. That's not going to exist in a US Civil War 2.0
Prior to the Civil War, the average American had almost zero interaction with the federal government, very little with state and mostly dealt with local governments. Should the US descend into the big economic mess - I'd expect rural Americans to go back to that basic form of interaction for the most part.
Sure there will be urban exodus - but that's where the .gov will focus their efforts. Some may get out, many won't. Those already in rural America will bug in mostly. Get their supply chain uber local, go back to the things that kept them going in the Depression. Gardens, barter and a small network of community family/friends to keep going.
I believe that the gov will be locking the cities down , keep the population under control but to also try and keep the “rural areas” handicapped by keeping supplies from them to survive, trying to get them to move to the city
Not having read through the whole thread by the time I got to your post, I would have to contradict something in your statement.
The govt will have a harder time "getting supplies to" the urban areas should the rural folks decide that's the way it should go.
Here in our county of approximately 4 people per sq mile, we have just about every supply needed to survive. I've never counted them, but there appears to be more beeves here than people, plenty of goats and sheeps, more than enough firewood for keeping warm, and decent areas for farming grain and taters as they used to before a lot switched to alfalfa and hay for export to outside the county. Springs and rivers for water. Plenty of places to dig pit toilets without screwing up the land or having open sewers as will happen in the cities.
If by rural areas you are including what I consider suburbs, as in the parts of back east that have a sort of country look, with lots of "estates" and such, yeah folks around the metro areas there will be fugged.
We here in the outback will likely do fine, and go back to doing things the old way. Should we desire to stop sending our hay and alfalfa to the outside, and start growing for ourselves again, the dairies and feed lots that are supplying the urban areas will suffer and folks in the cities will be much worse off than we are here.
And don't forget, we have more firearms per capita than they have over the hill.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.
I have always wondered how large a percentage of US military personnel acting overtly or surreptitiously against orders would it take to render our armed forces ineffective as a whole?
Were it to come to an actual rural vs urban civil war, just how many country boys and girls would be willing to blindingly go along with acting against like folks?
Thinking that the mil/LE etc. would all act against their friends and family is representative of the CF pundits who have never served. Those organizations represent cross sections of society as it exists today with a slight bent to the conservative side.
To those that have actually served in a public service/mil capacity I pose a simple question, would you act on anti-constitutional orders against fellow Americans?
mike r
Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.
I have always wondered how large a percentage of US military personnel acting overtly or surreptitiously against orders would it take to render our armed forces ineffective as a whole?
Were it to come to an actual rural vs urban civil war, just how many country boys and girls would be willing to blindingly go along with acting against like folks?
Thinking that the mil/LE etc. would all act against their friends and family is representative of the CF pundits who have never served. Those organizations represent cross sections of society as it exists today with a slight bent to the conservative side.
To those that have actually served in a public service/mil capacity I pose a simple question, would you act on anti-constitutional orders against fellow Americans?
mike r
Served 2002-2006, son served 2018-2022. Both of our experiences have shown us that without a DOUBT the .mil and members would without question follow orders to go against Americans. ZERO doubt in my mind. We've started preparing for that inevitability.
They don't see it as un-constitutional, that's just it. See basically every Dem ever for understanding what the Constitution is or isn't - what law or order would or would not be constitutional.
Not all of course. I worked in intel, my son was Army Engineer so those are the communities we were in and talking to.
Nope. I am saying that there are enough that would, I'd say 70% of my shop (EASY) and my son figured at least 70% of his too - the idea that it can't/won't happen is completely unrealistic.
If called upon to do so - there are enough in the .mil that they could mount an effective military action against US citizens, particularly in urban areas.
They would not be effective in rural areas for the reasons (I believe) I've said in this thread. USA is simply too large and current .mil is not able to handle continental action on their own.
Difference between "will to" and "executed successfully" but I saw it at the start of GWOT, my son saw it at the end of GWOT - there's enough that would follow that order for it to be a concern. For a lot of people to die where/when they do. Of that I have no doubt. If given the orders - they'll attempt to do it.
The 'BEST' soldiers would be the ones to refuse illegal orders.
The best soldiers would be educated enough (not necessarily by the schools) to determine a "legal" order vs and "illegal" one.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
The 'BEST' soldiers would be the ones to refuse illegal orders.
But as we've seen over and over again - "illegal" is considered subjective to the government and those within. Waco, Ruby Ridge, Kent State, the Border, FBI spying on Trump, etc.
All that needs to happen is say "all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC" and then frame people like us as "domestic enemies" - you're there.
Hell, Miley said he'd warn China if Trump was about to act on something. You think he'd blink at ordering armor into your town? You think he's alone?
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.
I have always wondered how large a percentage of US military personnel acting overtly or surreptitiously against orders would it take to render our armed forces ineffective as a whole?
Were it to come to an actual rural vs urban civil war, just how many country boys and girls would be willing to blindingly go along with acting against like folks?
Thinking that the mil/LE etc. would all act against their friends and family is representative of the CF pundits who have never served. Those organizations represent cross sections of society as it exists today with a slight bent to the conservative side.
To those that have actually served in a public service/mil capacity I pose a simple question, would you act on anti-constitutional orders against fellow Americans?
mike r
Mike, I don't even think it comes down to a constitutional orders issue. how many of those military guys and gals have "folks" living in those rural areas i think it comes down to " family first" type of thought process
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Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
The 'BEST' soldiers would be the ones to refuse illegal orders.
I agree with TEAL. The problem is that very, very few military members and members of Federal, State, and Local law enforcement, have ever read the Constitution of the United States. Yeah, I know, they have all sworn to uphold it, but what "it" is, most haven't the faintest clue.
They'll follow orders.
L.W.
"Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.)
The 'BEST' soldiers would be the ones to refuse illegal orders.
I agree with TEAL. The problem is that very, very few military members and members of Federal, State, and Local law enforcement, have ever read the Constitution of the United States. Yeah, I know, they have all sworn to uphold it, but what "it" is, most haven't the faintest clue.
They'll follow orders.
L.W.
Hard to reconcile "we're lowering ASVAB requirements" with "they're really smart and will understand it's an unconstitutional order".
No offense to anyone here but it used to be a 32 was the minimum score and they give you 35 for putting your name at the top of the page. We're now saying it's hard to get someone who can get to 32....
The 'BEST' soldiers would be the ones to refuse illegal orders.
I agree with TEAL. The problem is that very, very few military members and members of Federal, State, and Local law enforcement, have ever read the Constitution of the United States. Yeah, I know, they have all sworn to uphold it, but what "it" is, most haven't the faintest clue.
They'll follow orders.
L.W.
We have history that agrees with you. When hurricane Katrina wreaked havoc on New Orleans guns were taken from law abiding citizens by the National Guard. My home state of Missouri sent Conservation agents that also took part in that. Legal action was taken after the fact but what good did that do those gun owners that never saw their guns again. Or what if they actually needed to be armed to defend their family and homes.
The 'BEST' soldiers would be the ones to refuse illegal orders.
The best soldiers would be educated enough (not necessarily by the schools) to determine a "legal" order vs and "illegal" one.
True this. The best soldiers are thinkers first. The chain of command would quickly be thinned out by the patriots and the weaker swimmers would follow the strong.
There is a reason that military intelligence is considered an oxymoron.
mike r
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
President Trump said that he was looking at Erik Prince for Sec. Defense. I think that’s a perfect place for E.P. !
Oh, please don't get my hopes up too high.
That would fix a LOT of problems for the US.
MM
I agree with you MM!
I believe that President Trump has a much better grasp on how insidious the swamp is and how he got a LOT of bad advice from the DC insiders he trusted in his first term. I said back then that the biggest problem a non-politician would face is who he could trust in the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of appointments he had to make. A good leader appoints good people who will carry out his “orders” and I believe President Trump is a great leader! I don’t think President Trump realized how soulless some of his advisors were nor did he realize that they were NOT interested in pushing an America First agenda, they were only interested in making Trump look bad and subverting the will of those who elected him.
I sincerely hope that those scumbags who undermined President Trump and by extension the American citizens and set us on this path to destruction rot in the warmest corners of hell!
Erik Prince would be an excellent example of a MAN who would put this nation first and he’d be the first one to do away with faqqots and DEI bullshit within the military if he was Sec. Defense. His ideas for creating a modern military force that is capable of defending our interests in the current world are based on experience, not experience as a faq flag officer but as a warrior who cares more about his brothers in arms AND defeating the enemy!
I’d love nothing more than to see E.P in President Trump’s cabinet and I fully expect that he will be when the time comes. Erik Prince doesn’t need the money and I don’t think he gives a damn about feeding his ego like so many of the previous dipshits did. Erik Prince is extremely intelligent and well read, he knows how to organize and execute and he knows how to LEAD by example.
If anyone is interested and has not seen the YouTube video of the Shawn Ryan podcast I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend watching it. When it was first posted here I thought there’s no way I’m sitting and watching an almost 3 hour podcast but after 5 minutes I was hooked…it was the BEST podcast I’ve ever watched and it was responsible for me watching a lot more of Shawn Ryan’s podcasts.
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the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
I’ve wondered about this. All the king’s men couldn’t defeat a bunch of illiterate Muslim hillbillies in 20 years, but their resolve would probably be doubled against real Americans.
The u.s. was NOT defeated in Iraq or Afghanistan. They were just finished doing what they wanted to do there. They got all they wanted out of it, and left. These wars were for the purpose of testing weapons and tactics against "insurgents".... guess who the next "insurgents" will be.
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.
Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.
For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.
The tyrants don't necessarily have to "occupy" vast regions. They just have to make examples of dissenters. Just like most tyrannical regimes, they rule by terror.
And how will you know who is flying those drones? Or monitoring the spy satellites that are literally watching your EVERY move? And how would you get to them being housed on military bases and secret locations?
[/quote] The u.s. was NOT defeated in Iraq or Afghanistan. They were just finished doing what they wanted to do there. They got all they wanted out of it, and left. These wars were for the purpose of testing weapons and tactics against "insurgents".... guess who the next "insurgents" will be.[/quote]
The 'BEST' soldiers would be the ones to refuse illegal orders.
But as we've seen over and over again - "illegal" is considered subjective to the government and those within. Waco, Ruby Ridge, Kent State, the Border, FBI spying on Trump, etc.
All that needs to happen is say "all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC" and then frame people like us as "domestic enemies" - you're there.
Hell, Miley said he'd warn China if Trump was about to act on something. You think he'd blink at ordering armor into your town? You think he's alone?
