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So I have seen some loads that feature small rifle and some that feature small pistol. What have you found that works better? Thinks in advance
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I use C - Small pistol magnums.
They all work.
They say everything happens for a reason. For me that reason is usually because I've made some bad decisions that I need to pay for.
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For ball powders I like CCI-450 small rifle magnum
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For ball powders I like CCI-450 small rifle magnum Agree, especially slower burners like 300MP and Lil'Gun. Here's a rather long thread about the .22 Hornet and .22 K-Hornet, lot of good stuff, lots of B.S., but this IS the Fire.... Mule Deer did a bunch of work on this subject and came to the conclusion that CCI 450 Mag primers were among the best if not the best. Good load data, especially for the K-Hornet. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11390994/1DF
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On all these guys advice I have been using 450's with H110 and have had excellent speed and accuracy with my current K-Hornet.
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Ditto the SR magnums, but some of it may be in my head because I can't tell much if any difference between standard SR and them in L'il Gun loads. For loads concocted with 2400 and 4227 I just use Remington 6 1/2 primers, cast bullet loads (and truth be told quite a few jacketed loads too) get SP primers, brand being whatever falls to hand.
No small pistol magnum primers here amongst the tens of thousands of primers in my house so I can't speak to them. I don't think there would be earth shattering differences/gains to be made in a Hornet anyway.
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Ditto the SR magnums, but some of it may be in my head because I can't tell much if any difference between standard SR and them in L'il Gun loads. For loads concocted with 2400 and 4227 I just use Remington 6 1/2 primers, cast bullet loads (and truth be told quite a few jacketed loads too) get SP primers, brand being whatever falls to hand.
No small pistol magnum primers here amongst the tens of thousands of primers in my house so I can't speak to them. I don't think there would be earth shattering differences/gains to be made in a Hornet anyway. Truth on using whatever primer you have or can find. That is a challenge today. As JB has noted, with such a small case with small powder capacity, the primer makes up a bigger percentage of the total fire package vs. a larger round with more powder capacity. So, saying the Hornet may be more primer sensitive than most other rounds does make sense. DF
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I got better accuracy with 6 1/2 primers than with 7 1/2 primer with Lil Gun, same loads with both primers
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Interesting. How hot you shooting that Lil’gun?
Just goes to show that the small Hornet case may be more primer sensitive than larger cases.
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cci br4 only one I use in hornet
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cci br4 only one I use in hornet Br4 pretty close to the 450. Both work well in the hornet. DF
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12.4grains of Lil Gun, I have tried small pistol also, but best accuracy was with the 6 1/2.
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12.4grains of Lil Gun, I have tried small pistol also, but best accuracy was with the 6 1/2. Well, seems that would be the ones to use. I have some of those, but sticking with 450’s for now. Now if I run out of those….. DF
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I've had better luck with mild primers. Small pisto generally seems to work better than small rifle, but SPM have given me better results with H110, 296. SPM and Rem 6 1/2 are about a toss-up with Lil Gun. Never had any good results with most SR, none with SRM.
primer choice seems to be more critical than with most rifle cartridges, I suspect case capacity has much influence.
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So, saying the Hornet may be more primer sensitive than most other rounds does make sense. I’ve got a pair of M77 hornets and they are very primer sensitive as well as the powder charge. I settled with cci 400s shooting 296.
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cci br4 only one I use in hornet I would have better luck locating a unicorn. LOL
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cci br4 only one I use in hornet I would have better luck locating a unicorn. LOL Yeah, ya gotta find'em before you can use'em.... So, guess we use what we can lay our hands on or have on hand. DF
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I get a little better results with the CCI BR 4s in my two rifles.
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I highly recommend you only use rifle primers. When I tried pistol primers with 12 8 grs of Lil Gun I had failures in both my Savage 40 and my Contender carbine. Although there was no serious damage the face of the receiver of my contender has a ring burned in it and so does the bolt face on my Savage 40.
I use both CCI 400'S and Rem 61/2's these days. Accuracy is excellent and no problems with primer failure. I have been loading Hornets since 1991.
I have used mostly Winchester brass purchased in the early 90's (I bought 1500 one day). I have a few hundred pieces of Remington brass . Lately I have bought some PPU BRASS and it is very good. My primary choice in bullets is the 40 gr Nosler BT and I do use the 45 gr Speer soft point hornet bullet regularly. I have tried the 50gr dog town HP with good success but haven't shot any of them lately. I have burned a few cans of AA1680 in my guns and it is very good in the the old Hornet if you can't get Lil-Gun.
Just my Hornet Ramblings
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Been using small pistol and Lil' gun in my 77/22 Hornet seems to work well .
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