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A lefty option in the McMillan stock would have my interest.
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I’m trying very hard not to be too much of an old cranky Luddite, but what’s with the oogly brown “paint” on the synthetic stock version? Wouldn’t a simple black or gray look better?
They aren’t alone in this by any means.
They apparently don’t allow you to order online, and have about 20 dealers scattered across the country, only two within 250 miles of me. I suggest they expand that network or offer an alternative.
What fresh Hell is this?
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Only in America can a Montana rifle be made in Memphis, Michigan.
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The flat brim generation could care less about CRF, while those of us that do won't care for the brown finish on the steel, gold trigger and band on the bolt (wtf?), muzzle brake, tacticool bolt, and, as if there wasn't enough verbage on the rifle, did they really have to put a big "M" engraved into the tang? I'm not sure they understand who their market is, because I'd sooner build something on an M70 action, or if I wanted lighter, build or buy something on an M700 clone action.
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I been following the new guys as I use a MRC X2 7mm08. They arent currently offering anything I would want. Regardless , they got a pretty crappy review on a rifle they sent a guy on another forum for his assessment. A lot of negative things that shouldn't be an issue on a $2500 rifle. Especially if they are sending to a forum for access. It that was their best foot forward then they are going to have a rough go at it.
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The flat brim generation could care less about CRF, while those of us that do won't care for the brown finish on the steel, gold trigger and band on the bolt (wtf?), muzzle brake, tacticool bolt, and, as if there wasn't enough verbage on the rifle, did they really have to put a big "M" engraved into the tang? I'm not sure they understand who their market is, because I'd sooner build something on an M70 action, or if I wanted lighter, build or buy something on an M700 clone action. That was my reaction as well. I just thought, nothing for me here…..
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Only in America can a Montana rifle be made in Memphis, Michigan. They don’t even have a dealer in Montana 🤷🏼
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What are they thinking with the M-Lok rail on a wood stock?
On the other model that ugly metal paint job and gold pinky ring on the bolt handle is terrible. Maybe they called it the Highline because they sourced their design cues from a reservation pimp from Browning or Wolf Point.
Simply strange choices all around.
The Montana rifle made in Michigan is almost as bad as German Precision Optics made in China.
In future news, Montana Rifle Company goes out of business. Again.
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Maybe they named the Junction after the Malfunction Junctions in Helena and Missoula.
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I'd never purchase one based on that evaluation, wow !
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Maybe they called it the Highline because they sourced their design cues from a reservation pimp from Browning or Wolf Point. That made me spit out my coffee! :grin
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I'd never purchase one based on that evaluation, wow ! If you read it all the way through, it does get better. But again, a lot of weird choices thrown into a sack, shook up, and built into a rifle...
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What are they thinking with the M-Lok rail on a wood stock?
On the other model that ugly metal paint job and gold pinky ring on the bolt handle is terrible. Maybe they called it the Highline because they sourced their design cues from a reservation pimp from Browning or Wolf Point.
Simply strange choices all around.
In future news, Montana Rifle Company goes out of business. Again. Laffin'....
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I almost bought one few years back but then went with good old reliable older/used Remington 700 instead, glad I did. I have a hard time going with anything new.
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A lot of weird choices thrown into a sack, shook up, and built into a rifle... My thought as well, but wish them well nonetheless. I see Bear Grylls quoted the following in his review; The hunting world needs a legit CRF, quality modern rifle.20-30 years ago, that might have been a thing. And much of it born out of simple brand preference and marketing hype of "the M70 is better than the M700" and vice versa more than legitimate performance function. Today, I believe that quote to be nothing more than pandering.
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Sheesh. I'd crawl through a mile of broken glass and dog turds to find a New Haven Model 70 before I took up with one of those things. The old dudes of my youth pining for pre '64s are almost making sense to me now. There's a lot more wrong than right there. And what's with the BS about "adaptive controlled round feeding". Every CF M70 I have does that just fine.
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I have no dog in the fight, sounds like they'll get them sorted out soon enough.
They just announce ownership in January not sure how long they've been building them.
Hopefully they'll make it.
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No .30-06. Hmmm.
They need at least one person with more than a few miles of trophy hunting experience under their belt as the last one to touch the rifle before it goes out the door. Tough enough to send the piece all the way back to the beginning and telling them to try again.
Or, just wait for a pissed off customer to tell them the same.
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Sheesh. I'd crawl through a mile of broken glass and dog turds to find a New Haven Model 70 before I took up with one of those things. The old dudes of my youth pining for pre '64s are almost making sense to me now. There's a lot more wrong than right there. And what's with the BS about "adaptive controlled round feeding". Every CF M70 I have does that just fine. I would guess they contoured the extractor to go over a hand loaded round. Pretty sure that’s been done before.
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Zero interest. No interest in an integral Pic Rail on a blue/wood rifle. No interest in an MLOC rail on any hunting rifle. No interest in any rifle where you have to do a "pre-flight checklist" (ala early Kimbers) to fix all of the factory screw ups before it will shoot MOA.
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Somehow, many rifles manage to come off of ordinary assembly lines functioning perfectly, shooting well, and selling for 1/4-1/2 the price of this one. That Tikka Form compared it to is a perfect example. At that price, they should test-fire every rifle they produce to be certain it meets reasonable accuracy standards, not leave it to the poor schlub that buys it in good faith. No matter what they do in the future, that one they handed out unready has poisoned the well for anyone that sees that review, and nothing I see about their offerings is compelling enough to risk the potential drama involved getting those issues resolved. Form figured out the problems, but what are the chances that Joe Ordinary would be able to do so and avoid a series of expensive, time-consuming, and soul-wrenching trips back to Michigan trying to get them resolved?
What fresh Hell is this?
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Looks like a fine hunting rifle to me. Solid metal and wood, none of the plastic crap we’re being forced-fed these days. The “gold” touches don’t concern me, however, I have to admit the young buyers, the manbun types, and first time gun buyers won’t be able to handle the $2500.00 entry fee. Obviously not a mass market firearm, but Montana doesn’t seem to be targeting the masses. I’d happily hunt the rest of my days with one in 270 Winchester. YMMV
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I remember meeting the original guys at their booth at the NRA show in Atlanta, was that the 2016 show or 2018? Anyway, there is a complete MRC model 1999 action for sale on a local interwebs board. Too much trouble for me to mess with.
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I wouldn't review it. Hideous features and not competitive with a Model 70 in asthetics, design or pricing.
Build location is meaningless in todays world. Manufacturing skill comes down to management goals for design and build acceptability and an enforced and supported quality management system and please don't use that decades obsolete phrase, "QC". It doesn't exist because it never worked.
QA systems today are about formal procedures being written, training being given and competence verified as are the production processes starting with purchasing and materials, receipt and allocation, verification of components, consumption, step by step daily internal auditing, corrective action reporting on defects found and responsibility assignments, there is a lot to it, all wrapped up with management reviews of the total system.
That rifle would be DOA in many of the internal processes if they had a QA system in place.
By comparison, The Fieldcraft rifles were built under a QMS and audited both internally and externally. You now all know now the value of a QMS in manufacturing.
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