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And Beretta undercut Ruger on the price.
It was a crying shame the US Govt picked the Beretta over the Ruger. The Ruger was a much tougher and better made handgun. More reliable and robust, too.

While I’ll admit the Ruger was ugly, the Beretta sure as heck wouldn’t win any beauty contests. 😬

Maybe but I own both the 92FS and the M-17. I would not feel under gunned with either one of them. I have owned several of the Berettas and I'm here to tell you, they are accurate as a pistol comes. Both are great guns!

Not important.

Didn’t work out very well for Custer’s Troops at the Little Big Horn. 😜

Glock would have been better.

That's because 1) they were hugely outnumbered, and 2) their primary arm was a single shot rifle, while the Indians had lever action Winchesters.

Ya think?

Ha!

It FAILED that pathetic Wet sand test - Go back and count the rounds.

And then it FAILED the pathetic dirt test, after One round, right after that.

Did you even bother to watch this pathetic click-bait?


And, pressing the SIDE of an open-slide pistol into Wet sand, damp dirt, or any other medium, is a clown-show.

Throw a handful of sand/dirt into the Top of the open slide - and then sit back and enjoy the Fail.




GR

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The ruger did not make phase 2 testing iirc. Only the beretta and the sig

Correct.

M9 had a stellar 40 year track record.


I assume you think the p38/p1 was also a POS with almost 60 years of serving the Germans well into the 90s?

Your assumptions - are just that.

As for the M9?

Stellar for pavement and pud-pounders.

Ask troops in the field how they liked it, under field conditions.

Why the Glock G19 was so popular.

Unless you are only planning on getting the Sides dirty.

Ha!




GR

In all reality what good are the opinions of those who havent carried either weapon in a military combat deployment environment?? Just because your civilian M9 or M17 function fine while being carried in a non combat environment, it doesnt mean they will perform the same way on a rigorous deployment. I carried neither so cant personally opine on the topic, but know plenty who did and NONE are particularly huge fans of the M9 and the vast majority were glad to literally being issued ANYTHING to replace it.

When Mr. Potato Head modularity is the decisive factor for awarding contracts, with little girl grips most important, how good a gun you gonna need anyhow? We ain't fightin' no more real wars, except culture ones. Tranny pistols is what you want....

Actually, I believe they had Henry LA 44’s, IIRC.
And bows & arrows. 🤪

So much mis information here.


There was no political nonsense with the M9. Ruger was not undercut.

Here is the truth. The Beretta 92f and the Sig P226 were the only two guns that made it to phase two testing. Both passed with flying colors. Far more testing than our current sig completed btw.

With the sig and beretta both meeting all requirements it came down to a competitive bid where both guns were priced exactly the same. The beretta won based on the cost of replacement parts. End of story.

Reports of Beretta slide failures and sig frame cracking were caused by grossly over pressured ammunition being issued. Both guns experienced failures. Ammo exceeded proof pressures fwiw.

Beretta actually won a settlement from the govt due to the damage its reputation suffered due to issue caused by ammo. Sound familiar M16 guys?

The Ruger P85 failed in phase 1 testing. As did SW and FN and Colt offerings.


Later reliability issues were traced back to checkmate contract mags that used parkerized finishes that didn’t work well in the sand when oil or moisture was introduced. Checkmate fixed this issue and later magazines made by them were and are great.

The Beretta 92/M9 is a fantastic pistol with a proven track record all over the globe.


Please…refute any of these claims.


It’s amazing what a clown show the internet can be sometimes…

And these guys don’t know anything about pistols…

Oliver Winchester owned the New Haven Arms Company, which manufactured the Henry rifle.

The only U.S service pistolas ever worth a chit are/were the 3rd Gen S&W, HK45C, Glocks, and Sig 226

Sig wha?

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