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They need to start assuming these crazies are going try to kill them.



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Wow that's very graffic. Thank God for the man that took down the perp

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
They need to start assuming these crazies are going try to kill them.


Assume that and do what next?


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. They need to start assuming these crazies are going try to kill them.

Oh, great. They are already doing Mag dumps at the Drop of an Acorn, how much more do you want.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
They are already doing Mag dumps at the Drop of an Acorn, how much more do you want.

Maybe murder a 15 year old kidnap victim? Then go home on time.


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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
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They are already doing Mag dumps at the Drop of an Acorn, how much more do you want.

Maybe murder a 15 year old kidnap victim? Then go home on time.
That too.


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Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
They need to start assuming these crazies are going try to kill them.


Assume that and do what next?
Maintain 20 feet distance till you get a feel for who you're dealing with, while being mentally ready for a quick draw and fire.

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As posted by another member when he responded about the 15 year old girl that was killed by cops,

"Sad, bad decision, but it happens..."

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Originally Posted by montram
As posted by another member when he responded about the 15 year old girl that was killed by cops,

"Sad, bad decision, but it happens..."
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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They need to start assuming these crazies are going try to kill them.


Assume that and do what next?
Maintain 20 feet distance till you get a feel for who you're dealing with, while being mentally ready for a quick draw and fire.

And how do you do that and get his ID, pat him down for weapons, or place handcuffs on the bad guy?


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Originally Posted by MOGC
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Originally Posted by MOGC
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They need to start assuming these crazies are going try to kill them.


Assume that and do what next?
Maintain 20 feet distance till you get a feel for who you're dealing with, while being mentally ready for a quick draw and fire.

And how do you do that and get his ID, pat him down for weapons, or place handcuffs on the bad guy?
Follow the constitution


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I hope the cop bashers in here handle all their own messes when chit goes down. Pretty easy to be an arm chair QB, isnt it? Not saying their arent bad cops, there most certainly are, but this guy just got murdered by some pile of dog chit and it happens all the time. Easy to run your mouths and just bash the people who are trying to protect you

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Originally Posted by gunchamp
I hope the cop bashers in here handle all their own messes when chit goes down. Pretty easy to be an arm chair QB, isnt it? Not saying their arent bad cops, there most certainly are, but this guy just got murdered by some pile of dog chit and it happens all the time. Easy to run your mouths and just bash the people who are trying to protect you

Good post.

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Originally Posted by MOGC
And how do you do that and get his ID, pat him down for weapons, or place handcuffs on the bad guy?
If it seems like he's got a knife (because you spent a minute 20 feet away assessing his behavior while interacting with him), then you draw your gun and tell him to put it down while you call for back up. He takes a step towards you, you fire.

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Originally Posted by gunchamp
I hope the cop bashers in here handle all their own messes when chit goes down. Pretty easy to be an arm chair QB, isnt it? Not saying their arent bad cops, there most certainly are, but this guy just got murdered by some pile of dog chit and it happens all the time. Easy to run your mouths and just bash the people who are trying to protect you
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.


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Originally Posted by gunchamp
I hope the cop bashers in here handle all their own messes when chit goes down. Pretty easy to be an arm chair QB, isnt it? Not saying their arent bad cops, there most certainly are, but this guy just got murdered by some pile of dog chit and it happens all the time. Easy to run your mouths and just bash the people who are trying to protect you

We’re it not for the political class’s henchmen, I’d have approached the repeat loser with 12 gauge at the ready. From a distance of no less than 10 yards, I’d have told the fugger to get lost. What happened thereafter would depend on the other individuals’s response. My extreme hope would be that we never encountered each other again.

That said, my deepest condolences to the loved ones of the deceased.



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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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And how do you do that and get his ID, pat him down for weapons, or place handcuffs on the bad guy?
If it seems like he's got a knife (because you spent a minute 20 feet away assessing his behavior while interacting with him), then you draw your gun and tell him to put it down while you call for back up. He takes a step towards you, you fire.

It doesn't work that way. If the bad guy is laid back and chill, the officer then closes to conduct business and it is then the bad guy explodes and attacks. You're forgetting something very important, the other guy has a say in what happens also. You have your script, but so does he. And what he decides to do also decides what you do. So you are reacting to his action. Action beats reaction.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
They need to start assuming these crazies are going try to kill them.


Assume that and do what next?
Maintain 20 feet distance till you get a feel for who you're dealing with, while being mentally ready for a quick draw and fire.

And how do you do that and get his ID, pat him down for weapons, or place handcuffs on the bad guy?
Follow the constitution

I wish your mom would kick you out of the basement. Or ground you from the Internet for a while.


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Being a police officer or deputy sheriff has always been a dangerous job. Here is an incident that happened to officers long before any or us was born. (From a friend of mine in Los Angeles.)

"In January 1857, a group of outlaws terrorized the citizens of San Juan Capistrano (Los Angeles County in 1857), committing robberies and murder. Los Angeles County Sheriff James Barton formed a posse of five men and rode south. On January 23, 1857, near a mound of land located at the now 405 and 133 freeway interchange and along the San Diego Creek Trail, a large gun battle ensued between Barton’s posse and the outlaws. During the gunfight Sheriff James R. Barton, Deputy Charles F. Daly and Constables William H. Little and Charles K. Baker were slain. Multiple posses from Los Angeles County eventually tracked down and arrested the outlaws.

The site of this shootout, known as Barton Mound, was well documented in 1857 and
was registered as State Landmark 218 in 1935. All four men are listed in
the California Police Officers Memoriam as Killed in the Line of Duty. ..."

Bad guys have always been with us.

FWIW.

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Dadgummit. That guy who tried to help will have a tough row to hoe. He did his best, but it didn't pan out.


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Originally Posted by Leanwolf
Being a police officer or deputy sheriff has always been a dangerous job.

L.W.
LOL, LEO isn’t even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs in America.

Hell, Being a garbage collector is ranked more dangerous than being a cop.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Leanwolf
Being a police officer or deputy sheriff has always been a dangerous job.

L.W.
LOL, LEO isn’t even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs in America.

Hell, Being a garbage collector is ranked more dangerous than being a cop.

Honestly, there's more dangerous professions, yes. I work in one myself. You let your guard down for even a second and you'll be dead. One member here years ago was in agriculture and had an unspeakable tragedy occur. Life altering.

But the risk of "dealing with the public" type professions, the danger of being a cop is there, and it's real. There's no denying that.

There's absolutely no need to be a POS when responding to a thread like this though. But keep doubling down...


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Leanwolf
Being a police officer or deputy sheriff has always been a dangerous job.

L.W.
LOL, LEO isn’t even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs in America.

Hell, Being a garbage collector is ranked more dangerous than being a cop.

Honestly, there's more dangerous professions, yes. I work in one myself. You let your guard down for even a second and you'll be dead. One member here years ago was in agriculture and had an unspeakable tragedy occur. Life altering.

But the risk of "dealing with the public" type professions, the danger of being a cop is there, and it's real. There's no denying that.

There's absolutely no need to be a POS when responding to a thread like this though. But keep doubling down...
Just stating the facts, again, if you can’t handle the truth, then just keep being you.

Garbage collector in the top 20

https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states


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Where was this?


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Like it was Rodney King hahahaha

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Originally Posted by MOGC
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Originally Posted by MOGC
And how do you do that and get his ID, pat him down for weapons, or place handcuffs on the bad guy?
If it seems like he's got a knife (because you spent a minute 20 feet away assessing his behavior while interacting with him), then you draw your gun and tell him to put it down while you call for back up. He takes a step towards you, you fire.

It doesn't work that way. If the bad guy is laid back and chill, the officer then closes to conduct business and it is then the bad guy explodes and attacks. You're forgetting something very important, the other guy has a say in what happens also. You have your script, but so does he. And what he decides to do also decides what you do. So you are reacting to his action. Action beats reaction.



What's wrong with you posting stuff like this?
Discussing OODA loop, reaction time. Deception, surprise.


Rambo always knows what gonna happen, how, and when.
It's never a shock. Never a reaction. Always immediate action.

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Where was this?




Las Cruces.
Probably the same department that took out the scum from your post yesterday.


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
What's wrong with you posting stuff like this?
Discussing OODA loop, reaction time. Deception, surprise.


Rambo always knows what gonna happen, how, and when.
It's never a shock. Never a reaction. Always immediate action.

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Originally Posted by gunchamp
I hope the cop bashers in here handle all their own messes when chit goes down. Pretty easy to be an arm chair QB, isnt it? Not saying their arent bad cops, there most certainly are, but this guy just got murdered by some pile of dog chit and it happens all the time. Easy to run your mouths and just bash the people who are trying to protect you

No duty to protect.

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Once I was walking home, observing the usual social distance from other pedestrians when two street preachers, assuming I was homeless, walked right up into my personal space. If they woulda had violent criminal intent I woulda gone down, almost no warning.

Nothing like this tragedy here but in normal social interactions people can potentially get the jump on you easily.

How many hundreds or thousand of times every day could a Cop somewhere potentially be attacked that way going about their ordinary duties?

I dunno how you would train for surprise attacks, if you’re training for it the attack ain’t a surprise.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I dunno how you would train for surprise attacks, if you’re training for it the attack ain’t a surprise.
He knew he was approaching repeat trespasser derelict who was young and in good shape. Different situation than what you're talking about.

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Officer Hernandez was trying to be nice and as the video guys said he got too close.
Never trust a dopehead who's down on his/her luck. Their life means very little to them and they're mad at the world because of the way their life is going.
They're not thinking normal nor reasonable.

The dopehead would have killed the property owner if he confronted him.
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
He knew he was approaching repeat trespasser derelict who was young and in good shape.

I encounter people just like that quite often grin ‘course I ain’t trying to enforce a law on ‘em either.

Weren’t this the first-ever Cop fatality for Las Cruces? I lived there years ago.

Prob’ly that Cop had done that sort of thing with a bunch of homeless druggies like that over the years. Just an error in judgement this time is all


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
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Where was this?




Las Cruces.
Probably the same department that took out the scum from your post yesterday.



Geez.


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Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
What's wrong with you posting stuff like this?
Discussing OODA loop, reaction time. Deception, surprise.


Rambo always knows what gonna happen, how, and when.
It's never a shock. Never a reaction. Always immediate action.

95% of the Campfire are Rambo.
But better.

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Haha. Yeah. Rambos all.

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
What's wrong with you posting stuff like this?
Discussing OODA loop, reaction time. Deception, surprise.


Rambo always knows what gonna happen, how, and when.
It's never a shock. Never a reaction. Always immediate action.

95% of the Campfire are Rambo.
But better.

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Haha. Yeah. Rambos all.

Lol.



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The best cop, DEVGRU, Delta operator is an easy target.

The cop in the video made mistakes.
If I understood right, dealing with those situations was his assignment.
That guy went from 0 to 100 instantly,
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way to close, he did not react (see) the knife until it was too late, his retreat resulted in a fall to the ground. Backup was not present when contact was made. Back up arrived to late to make a difference. Waiting for back up would have changed things considerably. Getting a 90 on the suspect would have been a huge advantage in that incident. Bad outcome. But, in one way or another bad outcomes occur. Not all calls end with "and they lived happily ever after" . Dangerous business at times.

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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
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He knew he was approaching repeat trespasser derelict who was young and in good shape.

I encounter people just like that quite often grin ‘course I ain’t trying to enforce a law on ‘em either.
Key distinction.

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I ain't no Rambo and not an expert but have had some training.

It's all about awareness. Jeff Cooper's color code comes to mind. God rest his soul but this cop was not prepared.

He panicked, this is plain from the vid....distance is always your best defense, next cover/concealment, which may even come first.

Control the knife hand, first principle in a knife encounter, whatever it takes to do this then a savage kick to the groin or finger jab to the eyes, He backed up straight away and tripped. Probably bogged down by all the equipment attached to his body.

Easy for us "armchair rambos" to say but what would you do?

Fentanyl will probably always be available but the open border comes to mind.

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No question that LE is a dangerous job, but not THE most dangerous. However, when you look at the nature of the hazards the picture changes. It is at the top of the list when it comes to homicides, followed closely by retail workers (think shop-and-robs), then security guards and cab drivers. The devil is always in the details. Cops are required to confront violent people, but they have the means and authority to defend themselves. The convenience store clerk isn't allowed to do so, and would probably get fired if he did. So how can you make a valid comparison? Probably can't, and what's the point anyhow?

Injury and death from vehicle accidents is another common factor in many dangerous occupations, including LE.


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Originally Posted by Paul39
No question that LE is a dangerous job, but not THE most dangerous. However, when you look at the nature of the hazards the picture changes. It is at the top of the list when it comes to homicides, followed closely by retail workers (think shop-and-robs), then security guards and cab drivers. The devil is always in the details. Cops are required to confront violent people, but they have the means and authority to defend themselves. The convenience store clerk isn't allowed to do so, and would probably get fired if he did. So how can you make a valid comparison? Probably can't, and what's the point anyhow?

Injury and death from vehicle accidents is another common factor in many dangerous occupations, including LE.

Governors on vehicles would help.

Other direction on the homicides.

Preventing Violence against Taxicab Drivers | Blogs | CDC


"While the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and others have reported since the 1990s that the taxicab industry has a very high occurrence of workplace homicide, some are still surprised to learn that taxicab drivers face a greater risk for injury and homicide on the job than those working in law enforcement and security."

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Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

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I hope the cop bashers in here handle all their own messes when chit goes down. Pretty easy to be an arm chair QB, isnt it? Not saying their arent bad cops, there most certainly are, but this guy just got murdered by some pile of dog chit and it happens all the time. Easy to run your mouths and just bash the people who are trying to protect you


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Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?


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Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
I asked that same question of a female was was outraged at the number of local LEOs who weren't getting vaccinated during covid. No response.......


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Steevie is the type of Karen who would call the cops if your grass needed a trim.

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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.
I didn’t say I wouldn’t call the police to report an incident or an accident. I said I would not call them for ASSISTANCE. Yuge difference.


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Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
If I was seriously injured in a vehicle accident and was able to make a call, I would call for assistance from the Fire Dept/EMT , I certainly wouldn’t call for a cop.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
If I was seriously injured in a vehicle accident and was able to make a call, I would call for assistance from the Fire Dept/EMT , I certainly wouldn’t call for a cop.
You’d be calling for emergency services and, in many areas, are going to get a cop first.
You’re going to have the intellectual honesty to ask them to focus solely on the LE portion of the collision and not render aid to you and your family though…..right?


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Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
If I was seriously injured in a vehicle accident and was able to make a call, I would call for assistance from the Fire Dept/EMT , I certainly wouldn’t call for a cop.
You’d be calling for emergency services and, in many areas, are going to get a cop first.
You’re going to have the intellectual honesty to ask them to focus solely on the LE portion of the collision and not render aid to you and your family though…..right?


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Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
If I was seriously injured in a vehicle accident and was able to make a call, I would call for assistance from the Fire Dept/EMT , I certainly wouldn’t call for a cop.
You’d be calling for emergency services and, in many areas, are going to get a cop first.
You’re going to have the intellectual honesty to ask them to focus solely on the LE portion of the collision and not render aid to you and your family though…..right?
If they send a cop to direct traffic, so be it.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.
I didn’t say I wouldn’t call the police to report an incident or an accident. I said I would not call them for ASSISTANCE. Yuge difference.

So, if you shoot somebody, or your car gets vandalized, or you are involved in an accident or medical emergency, or you see something bad happen to someone else, and you call the police, you don’t really want the police to do anything? You’re just calling to let them know something happened? It may come as a surprise, but calling the police generally starts a chain of events to happen solely because you called. They are not just a clearing house for irrelevant information. I realize that you want to maintain the theoretical purity of not needing to ask for ASSISTANCE, but it is at least implicit that you are whenever you call the police for anything that is not totally frivolous. No difference. The object of the assistance may be someone other than you, but you are still requesting assistance, expressly or implicitly.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
If I was seriously injured in a vehicle accident and was able to make a call, I would call for assistance from the Fire Dept/EMT , I certainly wouldn’t call for a cop.
You’d be calling for emergency services and, in many areas, are going to get a cop first.
You’re going to have the intellectual honesty to ask them to focus solely on the LE portion of the collision and not render aid to you and your family though…..right?
If they send a cop to direct traffic, so be it.
Excellent.
At least you are willing to let your family bleed out in front of you rather than let that copper render aid.
I’d wager that the reality would be a bit different, but at least you are hypothetically willing to suffer for your beliefs

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Originally Posted by steve4102
If they send a cop to direct traffic, so be it.

You sound like one of the people who call because they don’t want to handle it themselves but then tell the police exactly how to handle it when they get there.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
They need to start assuming these crazies are going try to kill them.


Is there video footage prior to the video footage that will add context to what happened or perhaps justify why he did it? See a lot of posters that frequently ask that type of question when shown certain other violent encounter videos so I have to assume they just forgot to ask on this one.



I figure the perp's just a scum bag.

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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.
I didn’t say I wouldn’t call the police to report an incident or an accident. I said I would not call them for ASSISTANCE. Yuge difference.

So, if you shoot somebody, or your car gets vandalized, or you are involved in an accident or medical emergency, or you see something bad happen to someone else, and you call the police, you don’t really want the police to do anything? You’re just calling to let them know something happened? It may come as a surprise, but calling the police generally starts a chain of events to happen solely because you called. They are not just a clearing house for irrelevant information. I realize that you want to maintain the theoretical purity of not needing to ask for ASSISTANCE, but it is at least implicit that you are whenever you call the police for anything that is not totally frivolous. No difference. The object of the assistance may be someone other than you, but you are still requesting assistance, expressly or implicitly.
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
If they send a cop to direct traffic, so be it.

You sound like one of the people who call because they don’t want to handle it themselves but then tell the police exactly how to handle it when they get there.
I don’t call, period.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

We could ask Richard "Gary" Black if he had survived the good shoot.

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Everywhere I’ve lived the last 40 years, the FD or EMT truck is on scene at accidents way before LE arrives. Love the firemen!

I’m glad I’ve been off the job many years and don’t have to make those life or death decisions dealing with the drug addled perps. My defense now is to stay away from them and places they hang out. I hope none of them rely on rules of engagement or procedures to protect them if they are threatening me or my wife. Mozambique first response if quick escape is impossible.


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Originally Posted by Strop10
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

We could ask Richard "Gary" Black if he had survived the good shoot.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/...eowner-defending-his-family/73-620524248
Not smart walking toward LE with a gun in your hand under any circumstances! I know of an incident where an histerical woman rushed out of an apartment toward officers responding to a call of a shooting there. She was screaming unintelligibly and waving and pointing a handgun and didn’t obey the commands to drop the weapon. One officer received a commendation for NOT shooting the woman and the partner was a vocal critic of his action not to shoot. She had just shot an intruder into her home.


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Everywhere I’ve lived the last 40 years, the FD or EMT truck is on scene at accidents way before LE arrives. Love the firemen!
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Contrary to popular 'perception'' (I'm sure it's earned in some places) our FD/EMS and PD get along great. In fact, we share a building and are going back-and-forth all the time.

I have the opposite experience from you and have never lived anywhere that a copper didn't show up first. That likely has to do with the rural nature of my hometown and the smaller communities I tended towards after.


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Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
I asked that same question of a female was was outraged at the number of local LEOs who weren't getting vaccinated during covid. No response.......

Exemptions were common.

https://news.wttw.com/2022/06/20/fi...olice-officers-won-t-have-get-vaccinated

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My nephew is a cop in a large southwestern city and simply refused the shot when required by his department. They eventually just gave up and stopped asking. He's still a cop there. Promoted to detective, in fact, just a couple months ago.

PS He got COVID and said it was like a cold, other than losing his sense of taste for a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by Strop10
Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
I asked that same question of a female was was outraged at the number of local LEOs who weren't getting vaccinated during covid. No response.......

Exemptions were common.

https://news.wttw.com/2022/06/20/fi...olice-officers-won-t-have-get-vaccinated

"To enforce, not to obey..."
I'll help you out again:
NH had no vaccinations mandates which would have necessitated an exemption.

What happens in Chitcago is, well......not my problem.


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Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by WAM
Everywhere I’ve lived the last 40 years, the FD or EMT truck is on scene at accidents way before LE arrives. Love the firemen!
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Contrary to popular 'perception'' (I'm sure it's earned in some places) our FD/EMS and PD get along great. In fact, we share a building and are going back-and-forth all the time.

I have the opposite experience from you and have never lived anywhere that a copper didn't show up first. That likely has to do with the rural nature of my hometown and the smaller communities I tended towards after.
Ya mean like this.


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Run that through the Louis Farakhan crowd calculator and #22 suddenly becomes ranks 1 thru 5.

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Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.


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Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by Strop10
Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
I asked that same question of a female was was outraged at the number of local LEOs who weren't getting vaccinated during covid. No response.......

Exemptions were common.

https://news.wttw.com/2022/06/20/fi...olice-officers-won-t-have-get-vaccinated

"To enforce, not to obey..."
I'll help you out again:
NH had no vaccinations mandates which would have necessitated an exemption.

What happens in Chitcago is, well......not my problem.

Did I say anything about NH? No. Why did you?

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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by WAM
Everywhere I’ve lived the last 40 years, the FD or EMT truck is on scene at accidents way before LE arrives. Love the firemen!
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Contrary to popular 'perception'' (I'm sure it's earned in some places) our FD/EMS and PD get along great. In fact, we share a building and are going back-and-forth all the time.

I have the opposite experience from you and have never lived anywhere that a copper didn't show up first. That likely has to do with the rural nature of my hometown and the smaller communities I tended towards after.
Ya mean like this.


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Those don’t look like NH cops…….
That would probably be one of those places where they don’t get along.
Is that similar to where you live? If so, you could get involved and attempt to bridge the relationship between the PD and FD. I’m sure you could provide valuable input.


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Interesting that it's not until the list reaches about 18th place that Violence by Persons appears as a significant cause of death, preceded by Transportation Accidents. Police Officers are in 22nd place, and Violence by Person is the leading cause of death. No surprise. As I posted elsewhere, when it comes to on the job homicides, LEOs are at the top of the list.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
There is no scenario in life where I would ever call a LEO for assistance.

Go ahead, call for help, just don’t be surprised when you end up dead.

If you ever have to use justifiable deadly force against another human, would you call the police? Are you going to shovel and shut up? What if a witness calls the police and police start arriving near you? Are you going to play nice with the police or are you going to flip out into your usual paranoia and “defend yourself” from ending up dead?

What if you are in a situation where deadly force is not warranted, say you witness a vandalism against your vehicle in a parking lot. What are you going to do?
Use deadly force anyway? (See above.)
Forget about it? (Your insurance company would want a police report.)
Beat the miscreant up, take restitution in the form of his personal possessions, and leave?
Make a “citizen’s arrest,” throw the guy in the back seat of your car and try to book him into the nearest jail?
Throw him in the back seat of your car and lock him up in your basement to serve out his time?

You really need to step away from the Internet and whatever news sources that you rely upon. They are giving you a warped sense of reality, where the exceptions are your perceived norm.

Suppose he should have the misfortune of being seriously injured in a vehicle accident and happens to be gushing blood from a life-threatening wound when the officers arrive on the scene and begin patching him up until the ambulance and EMT's get there 10-30 minutes away. Do you think steve4102 is gonna wave them off and refuse service?
If I was seriously injured in a vehicle accident and was able to make a call, I would call for assistance from the Fire Dept/EMT , I certainly wouldn’t call for a cop.




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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


Yeah...that'll work good.


You call for directory assistance first?

Might be tough to remember the fire dept number with the ball of your femur stuck out the back of your ass cheek.


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Originally Posted by Paul39
Interesting that it's not until the list reaches about 18th place that Violence by Persons appears as a significant cause of death, preceded by Transportation Accidents. Police Officers are in 22nd place, and Violence by Person is the leading cause of death. No surprise. As I posted elsewhere, when it comes to on the job homicides, LEOs are at the top of the list.

You could say they are at the top of the list, but the occupation at the top of the list is cab driver.

Preventing Violence against Taxicab Drivers | Blogs | CDC


"While the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and others have reported since the 1990s that the taxicab industry has a very high occurrence of workplace homicide, some are still surprised to learn that taxicab drivers face a greater risk for injury and homicide on the job than those working in law enforcement and security."

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


Yeah...that'll work good.


You call for directory assistance first?

Might be tough to remember the fire dept number with the ball of your femur stuck out the back of your ass cheek.
911 What is your emergency.

I have been injured in a traffic accident, send the Fire Department and Parametics, easy easy, no cops called.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


Yeah...that'll work good.


You call for directory assistance first?

Might be tough to remember the fire dept number with the ball of your femur stuck out the back of your ass cheek.

Yeah, fire department would take forever using hydraulic cutting tools to extricate the trapped occupants while police would be able to break up the door latch with a few well placed shots.

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Yeah.....it doesn't work that way.

At all.


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Originally Posted by Strop10
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


Yeah...that'll work good.


You call for directory assistance first?

Might be tough to remember the fire dept number with the ball of your femur stuck out the back of your ass cheek.

Yeah, fire department would take forever using hydraulic cutting tools to extricate the trapped occupants while police would be able to break up the door latch with a few well placed shots.

“Well placed shots”, sarcasm right.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


Yeah...that'll work good.


You call for directory assistance first?

Might be tough to remember the fire dept number with the ball of your femur stuck out the back of your ass cheek.
911 What is your emergency.

I have been injured in a traffic accident, send the Fire Department and Parametics, easy easy, no cops called.
Oh, and pray that this accident doesn’t happen with Oak Trees around.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Strop10
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


Yeah...that'll work good.


You call for directory assistance first?

Might be tough to remember the fire dept number with the ball of your femur stuck out the back of your ass cheek.

Yeah, fire department would take forever using hydraulic cutting tools to extricate the trapped occupants while police would be able to break up the door latch with a few well placed shots.

“Well placed shots”, sarcasm right.

Well you and your passenger might catch a few in the legs, but omelets require a few eggs getting broke.

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It would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad.



"Excuse me, Mr. Dispatch sir.....would you be so kind as to send only ems to the scene of this multiple fatality crash I just caused?"


"Oh jolly good....thank you".


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Originally Posted by Strop10
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Strop10
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


Yeah...that'll work good.


You call for directory assistance first?

Might be tough to remember the fire dept number with the ball of your femur stuck out the back of your ass cheek.

Yeah, fire department would take forever using hydraulic cutting tools to extricate the trapped occupants while police would be able to break up the door latch with a few well placed shots.

“Well placed shots”, sarcasm right.

Well you and your passenger might catch a few in the legs, but omelets require a few eggs getting broke.

Pity any bystanders and onlookers within 50 yards.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.


Yeah...that'll work good.


You call for directory assistance first?

Might be tough to remember the fire dept number with the ball of your femur stuck out the back of your ass cheek.
911 What is your emergency.

I have been injured in a traffic accident, send the Fire Department and Parametics, easy easy, no cops called.
Oh, and pray that this accident doesn’t happen with Oak Trees around.


That specific oak tree is in Florida, not New Hampshire.


Wouldn't have to say that if it hadn't made news.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
It would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad.



"Excuse me, Mr. Dispatch sir.....would you be so kind as to send only ems to the scene of this multiple fatality crash I just caused?"


"Oh jolly good....thank you".

Police would work out well on that if you had been drinking since all the tbl stickers, t shirt, and flask might get the whole thing pinned on one of the folks you killed.

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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by steve4102
I don’t call police for assistance. Filing a paperwork report is NOT asking for ASSISTANCE. It’s clerical.

911 Call Center: “911, what’s your emergency”

steve4102: “I’m at X and Y Streets and my car just got rear ended by a truck that hit me at a high rate of speed and caused me to hit the car in front of me. My neck is killing me and my passenger is messed up. We are trapped in the car. The driver of the truck appears to be intoxicated. There is a lot of traffic whizzing by in the left lane at a high rate of speed. Please send EMS and fire to assist with extrication and medical attention. I just want the police to make a clerical report. They don’t have to do anything else. Because that’s all I want, they don’t even need to show up. We can do it over the phone later.”

A. Even asking for clerical assistance is assistance.
B. There are times when you are going to expect a lot more. You may think in your mind that you have not painted yourself into a corner in you recent posts, but it should be apparent to most anyone else.

Take care.

Call the Firefighters and Paramedics, cops do not need be on the scene other than to direct traffic and to fill out paperwork, clerical schit any office personnel could handle.

A call to 911 gets LE and EMT units rolling. In all cases in my neck of the woods, LE arrives first because they are out and about patrolling, answering calls, etc. EMTs are sitting in their station houses doing whatever and don't roll out until called. LE will be first on the scene and first administering medical assistance. When you call 911 you don't get to pick and choose who they send. They have a protocol and they dispatch all the units. Additionally, if you are lying in a pool of rapidly growing blood with some foreign object stuck in a deflated lung despite your bullchit tough guy talk your crybaby azz ain't going to say no to LE starting first aid to stop the bleeding and stabilize your breathing. You're full of chit.


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