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Good 'ol wide duplex strikes again.
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It looks like all of the Fixed scopes, except the FX-1 4x28 rimfire are discontinued. Even the 6x42 Wide Duplex is discontinued.
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I remember back in 2010, I had a 1-4 30 mm tube scope on my 9.3.
The fkn thing weighed 15.5 ounces, 20 ounces in rings
Nowadays, a fixed 2.5x on my latest 9.3, what was I thinking?!
Nobody needs 1 power, I can't even figure out the point of 1 power. 4 power is no better than 2.5 power.
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If Leupold doesn’t watch what they are doing LEUPOLD MAY BE DISCONTINUED PERIOD
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They don’t discontinue a product because it’s making them too much money……
You ain't about that life.
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Sadly, the market has moved away from what I would call practical hunting scopes.
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That sucks. Those 2.5Xs are wonderfully light scopes with huge eye relief. It’s really a shame to lose the option. Leupold has been trying their best to alienate a large portion of their customer base. At some point the customer retention vs customer acquisition equations ought to show that keeping some of the old favorite scopes in the catalog will keep some of the old favorite customers buying their products. Especially when Leupold was one of the only remaining games in town for handy fixed power scopes. But the MBAs only worried about the bottom line.
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Glad I have one, even if it is the wide duplex...
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Like most scopes if it works really well for you, they're going to stop making them.
As for 1x almost all the coyotes I shoot are shot using 1x(1-4x20), 1.5x(1.5-6x40) or 2x(2-12x42) rarely ever get off the bottom power, FOV is far more important for the way I hunt than X's.
After the first shot the rest are just noise.
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Just put an older M8 2.5x Compact on my 338-06 carbine. Makes for a great little package. Planning to kill an elk with it this fall. Damn shame simple practical scopes are no longer being made. Rex
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I have one on a 45-70, but have also used 1-4s.
Pluses for the 2.5 are: The eye relief is very welcome with some of the loads I've fired, but as time passed, I've toned it down a little. The weight and size makes the effect on handling minimal. It is very robust. Its Cons, in comparison, are less field of view and a narrower eyebox.
The various 1-4X20s I've had, to include the 1.5-5 VX-3i, generally had wider field of view on 1X, and minimal effect on handling. The additional magnification is welcome during zeroing but never used in the field. The eyebox is more generous, a welcome attribute while hunting.
The "loss" of eye relief never caused an issue, and I'm sure the small variables couldn't take the beating the FX can, being it has more parts and all. All this led me to slightly favor the 1-4 over the FX, and between the VX-II, VX-2, and VX-3i, the VX-II was my favorite.
But I still use the FX, and hate to see it disappear from the lineup. Mine will have a job as long as I have a Guide gun.
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Never cared for the wide duplex myself. Preferred the 1-4x20 with regular duplex for my lever guns but of course Leupold discontinued that and replaced it with the vx-freedom with it's fuucked up pig plex and MOA circle plex reticles. Idiots.
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With the sort of resurgence of lever guns these days, one would think this scope would be selling well and they have so many other applications also. I have one on my .308 Hawkeye compact and it is about perfect for that little rifle.
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With the sort of resurgence of lever guns these days, one would think this scope would be selling well and they have so many other applications also. Yeah you'd think but people are generally idiots and apparently would prefer to either fuuck up the handling of their lever gun with a 20 oz. 30mm LPVO or put a 3-9x40 or something similar on it. Nobody makes a truly good lever gun scope anymore.
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Son shot his first moose with one on a Ruger Ranch in 450 Bushmaster. Can't imagine a better scope for that little carbine. Every-one seems to be going for big 30mm variables that are "clickable" to ranges that most of us shouldn't be shooting at.
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I prefer the wide duplex
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10 oz in warne mountain tech rings. A full 4 inches away from my face. 325 grain oryx over 64 grains of powder, in a light rifle, I really appreciate that eye relief......
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I think these were still in the ultralight line. few years ago I was still using a silver 3-9x33 on my weatherby ultralight 308. it was a friction style. once I got it said it never came off zero. it wasn't the best that anything except very light if I recall correctly 8.8 Oz but it got the job done with no issues..
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I have one on a model 94ae, I feel sorry for those who don't.
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Another stupid move by a company that is doing it best to fail.
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My use/ownership of Leupold products ceased in 1998.
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This is a sad story. Glad I grabbed one recently.
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prairie goat; Top of the morning to you sir, I hope the day's breaking bright and fair down your way and you're well. Interestingly, well or not depending, I just stuck a 1978 made 2.5X in my pocket for "trading stock" as I head out to the local gun show. When our girls first started hunting it was on our eldest's Swede carbine and it was noticeably faster than whatever other scope I'd put on there before that for her. Then it went onto a 336 Marlin that I'd worked over in the shop. It was one of those rifles one had to shoot to appreciate somehow. Hitting clay pigeons laying on the bank at 100yds was seemingly easy with it. Shooting offhand too. Buddy came over when I was tuning on it, began to lay down brown bills which are $100 Cdn by the way, until I relented even though it wasn't for sale. I did keep the scope, but somehow in the years since I've not found a project for it. All the best to you all this weekend. Dwayne
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The Leupold 1-4's where actually 1.6 on low. They just called em a 1-4. they eventually changed it to 1.5-4 on Various-x and freedoms etc. Always wanted a 2.5 fixed Leupold never could find one. If so it wasn't much lower in price then a variable.
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The Leupold 1-4's where actually 1.6 on low. They just called em a 1-4. they eventually changed it to 1.5-4 on Various-x and freedoms etc. Always wanted a 2.5 fixed Leupold never could find one. If so it wasn't much lower in price then a variable. My Compact 2-7 is 8.1oz not the greatest scope as far as clarity etc. It sits on a .22LR
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Unless its wanting toughness is there any reason for the 2.5 over a variable?
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Unless its wanting toughness is there any reason for the 2.5 over a variable? 6.5 ounces
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Really glad I bought one before they were DC’d. Still in factory shrink-wrap in my safe. Thanks Phil.
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I'll probably lose sleep over that LOL NOT
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Unless its wanting toughness is there any reason for the 2.5 over a variable? 6.5 ounces Gotcha. 3 oz less than their 1-4x20s is a good bit.
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Unless its wanting toughness is there any reason for the 2.5 over a variable? 6.5 ounces Another reason, at least for me, is the trimmer size/shape of the eyepiece doesn't have a clearance issue. The 2.5x fits fine on a Mini-14 Ranch where the 'zoom' ring on the 1-4x20 hits the 'ears' on the rear sight assembly. Those fixed M8-2.5x Leupolds really are awesome scopes!
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How do you guys find they do around the end of shooting light? Still work well enough?
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With the sort of resurgence of lever guns these days, one would think this scope would be selling well and they have so many other applications also. I have one on my .308 Hawkeye compact and it is about perfect for that little rifle. I’m seeing a great deal of lever rifle pictures with a red dot and magnifier combo. I suspect it’s people getting bored with AR’s to a degree and they find lever rifles are more often equipped with muzzle threads and rails. All the well equipped AR owner has to do is transfer some equipment at that point. The package you have pictured does look very handy.
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