Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire City of Grants Pass Vs Supreme Court

Over Laws about Arresting " The Homeless" sleeping where ever they want, throwing up tents, and then leaving trash all over the place.. for months. These people are either passed out from using Drugs, or if they are not, they are up and stealing stuff to meet their daily needs from stores, and breaking into homes and cars, to steal things to sell, to get more money to buy more drugs to get high once again. Its a continual cycle, that never ends until they overdose themselves.

Wife is watching this on C Span. And the liberal judges are busy defending these useless members of society, as poor victims. City people who have NO CLUE.

Lets imagine in Metro DC. Just one 'homeless person' ( drug addict) steals a can of Spaghettios. He starts a fire to heat them up while he is high on drugs. The fire gets out of hand, and ends up burning down 11,000 acres.. that is 17.2 miles in area. Then consider the cost of putting out the fires to the tax payers. Forget about the expense of what was there... be it forests or homes/property.

The government is part of the problem, not anything to do with the solution.

They are Not HOMELESS, they are DRUG ADDICTS. iTS THEIR CHOICE FOR THEIR LIFE STYLE.

it is NOT society's problem for their choice in life. It is their problem of their own choosing.



yet we all have to live with and take care of these people, for wanting the life they live.

The Milepost 97 fire. Tough fire to fight and very expensive.

exactly! my friend.

Hoping they win. The city cracked down here, don't know where they are camping, but there is always a couple at Walmart entrance points!

You have people from Metro Wash DC hearing this case and trying this case. They don't have a friggin clue. They are just philosophizing, as they have NO point of reference. I am from Metro Washington DC. I can attest to knowing how they think.

But now I live here in Southern Oregon in Grants Pass. But G.P. is no different than many other places in this state, and the same problems they are dealing with here. Grants Pass is not Unique. Portland and San Fran for example are 100 times worse than what we put up with here....

Interesting.

What's the point of the case? That it's unconstitutional for GP to prosecute/ move the campers?

Could have serious repercussions for other locations.

I’ve a BIL living in Richmond now Working for 20 years for the gummit. When he lived here, pretty solid guy. He visited last week and he definitely has Potomac fever. Thinks Reagan is terrible because he restored citizenship to General Robert E. Lee! Of all the stupid stuff to get wound up about. He’s in for Biden too now. I couldn’t hardly stand to be in the same room with him. I used to have to visit DC somewhat regularly until a couple years ago. There’s certainly the DC groupthink mindset going on there. Hopefully SCOTUS will pull their collective heads out of their asses to see how these drug addicts are impacting everyone else’s lives with their government aided and abetted addiction. These leeches on society need some natural consequences, otherwise they will never change. Why would they?

Facts of the case
The city of Grants Pass in southern Oregon has a population of approximately 38,000, and of that population, somewhere between 50 and 600 persons are unhoused. Whatever the exact number of unhoused persons, however, it exceeds the number of available shelter beds, requiring that at least some of them sleep on the streets or in parks. However, several provisions of the Grants Pass Municipal Code prohibit them from doing so, including an “anti-sleeping” ordinance, two “anti-camping” ordinances, a “park exclusion” ordinance, and a “park exclusion appeals” ordinance.

In September 2018, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit decided Martin v. City of Boise, holding that “the Eighth Amendment prohibits the imposition of criminal penalties for sitting, sleeping, or lying outside on public property for homeless individuals who cannot obtain shelter.” While the Grants Pass Municipal Code provisions impose only civil penalties, they still can mature into criminal penalties.

A district court certified a class of plaintiffs of involuntarily unhoused persons living in Grants Pass and concluded that, based on the unavailability of shelter beds, the City’s enforcement of its anti-camping and anti-sleeping ordinances violated the Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause. A panel of the Ninth Circuit affirmed, and the Ninth Circuit denied rehearing en banc.

Question
Does a city’s enforcement of public camping against involuntarily homeless people violate the Eighth Amendment’s protection against cruel and unusual punishment?

This could be another step towards the 3rd Worldization of the US, along with squatter's rights.

GP should just buy them one way tickets to DC. They can sleep on the White House lawn. Problem solved.

GP has an In&Out Burger

I think it's worse in GP than the big cities in one way..the number of homeless druggies is in a much higher proportion to the taxpaying population. Back in the hippy years the Illinois Valley west of GP became a cradle to the drug culture...communes and the whole scene. The Josephine County authorities never cracked down on the drug culture, it became entrenched in the lifestyle of drugs, wrecked families, and entitlement programs feeding the cycle and now we are reaping the harvest of 3 generations of druggies...giving GP an unending supply of addicts far out of proportion to it's population. When all is said and done, it's a testament to the destructive human result of government assistance.

well said, by someone who knows the area! Thanks for piping in Flintlocke!

Swifty,

We don't disagree on much, and I've always had a lot of respect for you.

HOWEVER, you are posting what is being reported by Big Media. I LIVE here and have for 29 years.

There is a boat load more than 600 people who are "transients" ( the politically correct term for Drug Addicts that make that choice in THEIR lives themselves, and they chose to be 'homeless' by choice, to spend more money on drugs and not have to be responsible and clean in their environment ). There is more than a couple of thousand of them.

They are organized enough, that they do shifts among themselves, to man all the local hotspots, out panhandling with their signs of " Stranded, Please Help, NEED Money for food and fuel... God Bless". Then you can go into stores like Walmart or Winco or Fred Meyer early in the morning when they open, or late in the evening when they are close to closing, and these people are in their with their Oregon TRail Card ( Food Stamps on Credit Cards), and they are busy buying alcohol etc Clothes and other food, they just steal that stuff...clothes, they just change into those in the rest rooms, and leave their old smelly dirty crap laying on the floor in the bathroom stalls.

This town is nothing special... this has become an accepted life style all over the west coast and has migrated nationwide now. Its just the first one to end up in front of the Supreme Court... and its all being started by some useless lawyer, that is trying to make a big name for himself... in a small town of 45,000 people.

NO this town has been chosen to be a starting point to either end this crap, OR to make sure the gates of this life style are WIDE OPEN all supported by the DNCC. The people who create problems and then want us to elect them to supposedly do something about it... All they do, is do so to give them more control over people's every day lives. Other than that, what else does the DNCC platform stand on ? NOT a FRIGGIN THING!

Thanks John, but heres the thing what I posted is a quick synopsis of the case not a first hand view or an opinion of how and why. The fact is that there is no way a constitutional right to camp, build temp shelters, sidewalks etc. The case is a farce. But then again this whole administration and .gov agencies are a farce on the grand scale.

The supremes better think this through. Telling a governmental entity that they can’t stipulate how people access and use the entities property can have far reaching effects.

WELL we definitely agree on that. Some of the Supreme Court judges ( the liberal ones ) were asking then where should these people go? Towns in southern Oregon, are islands in a sea of pine forests, that include millions of acres of National and State & County forests.. Both BLM and Forest Service. but then the drug addicts would be away from all the free stuff. and they seem to be worried about O.D.ing, with no immediate medical attention. Plus there is no one out there to Rob for their personal needs.

The answer is pretty simple.. the leftists don't want to embrace it tho, as it gives them one major less thing that they can manipulate, to get more power and more money from the working public.

We get people who overdose pretty much every day, somewhere in the county.. My wife and son work at the local hospital,
where they haul the body into.

The homeless population around here thins out dramatically as the distance increases to WalMarts and shopping centers where they are like flies on schidt.
Once you get out to a mile or more from a shopping center...you'd never believe there was a homeless problem. Simple solution...eliminate shopping centers.
Also it needs to be said at the risk of pissing off the bible thumpers...free food and warming shelters are just another form of addiction in the guise of caring.

Was eating lunch with a customer today and she said other states are shipping the homeless here if they first fail rehabilitation where they were because Oregon has drugs.

Well isn't that special.

I hunted out of Grants Pass in 2005...... it was such a wholesome place compared to Seattle.

I have hunted Montana for 40 years. Their decadence is always 30 years behind Seattle.... except for Billings, which is like an upscale suburb of seattle. My wife's Billings relatives play golf and stay at resorts.