Iāve heard that at 15 feet from the deck above it itās good for elk getting into the hay barn.
Most guys say that they limit their shots to around 150 yards. I was interested in it years ago for about 5 minutes before I decided that the 22WMR will do everything and more plus itās far more common and cheaper. A slight breeze from the flapping of a blackbirdās wings will require massive windage inputsā¦.š
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I'd not hunt coyotes with anything smaller than a .22 Hornet. Even then, it would have to be a chance shot when I was after something else like fox or prairie dogs.
17 hmr works great out to 200 Yards on yotes. They usually run a ways even with a good shot placement but they die. I keep a 17hmr in my truck for some of our fields that have houses in many directions. I use a fragmentable bullet. 17 super mag works better and 22 hornet may be perfect but bullets are expensive. I probably average a yote a week. All opportunistic shooting while out on the farm.
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Negative, Ghost Rider. I've seen them soak up a .22 Mag and keep on truckin', no doubt to expire later. As others have said, just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be. Save a few shekels and get a Ruger American .223/5.56.
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When I first got my 17 HMR I wanted to shoot something with it. I seen a coyote at about a 100 yards, I put it behind the shoulder and it took off running like it was not even hit. It run straight away from us to about the 200 yard mark and done a flip head over heels dead. I will never use it for that purpose. I have a 22=250 for which it is a coyote slayer. I was using the V max in the 17 HMR. It is more of a squirrel rifle.
If your goal is to recover every coyote you shoot like me , as a fur hunter, donāt use the 17 hmr, it is not a consistent coyote killer. I donāt use anything smaller than 222 rem, I have called and killed hundreds of coyotes I want them to go down in their tracks, dead before they hit the ground and that takes an explosive fragile bullet that does not exit dumping all its energy in the vitals. With a good 17, 20, 22,243, or 25 caliber centerfire and properly constructed bullets designed to fragment at terminal velocities of about 2400 fps you will get those results.Will a 17hmr kill a coyote, sure so will a 22 short as it will kill a 1400 lb steer when properly placed, but if you want the animal reliably put on the stretchers use a consistent killer and place the bullet right.
Should you? Probably not based on years of lack of performance on them.
I never let one walk just because I had my 17 with me.
It works and pretty good when shots are properly placed.
Do I grab it when I am for sure coyote hunting?? Nope.
I have better mousetraps but when a target of opportunity arises and I have the 17 I don't pass up the fun.
Most critters aren't nearly as tough as some believe.
This. I kill coyotes because they are pests. I personally do not care if I recover the animal. Not the best round, but always gets the job done. I usually see them dead later in the day when the tractor gets to wherever they were running. Coyotes eat our microsprinklers in the fields. Fugg everything up. Easily cost me $10,000 a year in repairs and labor.
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When the 17hmr first came out there was a guy/cowpoke on ?predatormasters who shot coyotes at a feedlot in Wyoming. He'd hide in the wood loading ramps and snipe them. Killed hordes of them during calving times.
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Will it work sure are there better choices, definitely. Coyotes can be tough. If you just want them dead a 17 behind the shoulder inside of 150 they'll die. May run off a bit . If you want to anchor them step up to a 204 , 223 or my favorite the 22-250
Should you? Probably not based on years of lack of performance on them.
I never let one walk just because I had my 17 with me.
It works and pretty good when shots are properly placed.
Do I grab it when I am for sure coyote hunting?? Nope.
I have better mousetraps but when a target of opportunity arises and I have the 17 I don't pass up the fun.
Most critters aren't nearly as tough as some believe.
This. I kill coyotes because they are pests. I personally do not care if I recover the animal. Not the best round, but always gets the job done. I usually see them dead later in the day when the tractor gets to wherever they were running. Coyotes eat our microsprinklers in the fields. Fugg everything up. Easily cost me $10,000 a year in repairs and labor.
Should you? Probably not based on years of lack of performance on them.
I never let one walk just because I had my 17 with me.
It works and pretty good when shots are properly placed.
Do I grab it when I am for sure coyote hunting?? Nope.
I have better mousetraps but when a target of opportunity arises and I have the 17 I don't pass up the fun.
Most critters aren't nearly as tough as some believe.
This. I kill coyotes because they are pests. I personally do not care if I recover the animal. Not the best round, but always gets the job done. I usually see them dead later in the day when the tractor gets to wherever they were running. Coyotes eat our microsprinklers in the fields. Fugg everything up. Easily cost me $10,000 a year in repairs and labor.
Who says you can't train a coyote.....
Train??? Maybe you indians can, not us white boys.
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On the ranches I can hunt the emphasis is on killing them not retrieving them. There are better tools for the job but it will get it done. It did take me 7 shots to anchor a badger last summer but the shots presented were not ideal with him running away.
A hole is a hole but the smaller it is requires close in precision for a timely demise. I recommend a bigger hole like at least .20 or .22, .221 is fun to shoot.
Bought the first Ruger 17/77 that hit Tucson Arizona at Jensens Gun Shop, can't even remember the year, maybe 2000 or 2001? They didn't even have ammunition available yet and had to give me a rain check for when some came in. I took the whole month of November and dedicated it to only using the 17HMR. Shot 26 coyotes, a few fox and one bobcat that month. The HMR is not a coyote rifle/cartridge, and I learned that real quick. I was always aware of the range and kept it short as I could, and the shot as precise as I could, passing a few coyotes because I didn't want to risk a loss. I lost three coyotes of the 26, and had to hunt around for quite a few more because they ran off a good bit before piling up. Several were impressive drop in their tracks or a liver hit spin for 20 seconds before dropping, but enough were sprinters that I quickly learned, as I suspected, there just wasn't enough bullet weight and speed to do what a lot of people expected and I had hoped for. Fun little cartridge, great on jackrabbits, ground squirrels, grackles and pissin around, but by no stretch a coyote rifle.
Bought the first Ruger 17/77 that hit Tucson Arizona at Jensens Gun Shop, can't even remember the year, maybe 2000 or 2001? They didn't even have ammunition available yet and had to give me a rain check for when some came in. I took the whole month of November and dedicated it to only using the 17HMR. Shot 26 coyotes, a few fox and one bobcat that month. The HMR is not a coyote rifle/cartridge, and I learned that real quick. I was always aware of the range and kept it short as I could, and the shot as precise as I could, passing a few coyotes because I didn't want to risk a loss. I lost three coyotes of the 26, and had to hunt around for quite a few more because they ran off a good bit before piling up. Several were impressive drop in their tracks or a liver hit spin for 20 seconds before dropping, but enough were sprinters that I quickly learned, as I suspected, there just wasn't enough bullet weight and speed to do what a lot of people expected and I had hoped for. Fun little cartridge, great on jackrabbits, ground squirrels, grackles and pissin around, but by no stretch a coyote rifle.
I am not sure anyone expected it to be a coyote slayer.
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If you want to recover the varmint shoot a .223 if you want the varmint dead and not have to mess with it shoot it with a 17hmr. Geese can even fly 25 yds after being body shot with a 17hmr. For killing power the 22mag is far superior when using 40gr bullets.
10 that is not a good comparison. There is only one Pat Sinclair and damn few people who have anywhere near his shooting skills. He uses bigger cartridges now and I am sure there is a reason for that. He shoots predators for a living I'll bet if you asked him to use the 17hmr to do his job he'd laugh then do it because he can but still wouldn't switch.because of it's limitations at range and shooting conditions. I have both the swift and the 17hmr , the only thing common between them is that they are cartridges. With a Swift pd's come apart with a 17 most make it back to hole and bury themselves. Don't know how one can even argue about it. A head shot with anything is usually a drop on the spot deal but how many shooters aim at the head when a chest shot is availible? Out here in Dakota you can get a few dogs as standers or sitting on their mound but after a few shots they go down. Then you either move or settle down to shooting at the top half of their heads as they peek out. 222, 223 are my steady dog getters.mb
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Should you? Probably not based on years of lack of performance on them.
Exactly
Why would you when there is .223, .222, .22-250.
I guess the same reason some folks hunt deer with a .223
Why? Because the 17 may be what's in your hands at the time.
Deer and a 223?? Because a 200-250# animal is not a large critter and damn sure not hard to kill.
Go way back and look at the pictures of elk ScenarShooter has killed with a Swift.
Not a good argument except maybe the part about the .17 being what you have in your hands. It is foolish to hunt with a marginal rifle.
I let my grand daughter hunt deer with a .223 bolt rifle because that is what she insists on due to recoil aversion (she is 12). 2 years ago she double lung shot a 189 pound 8 point buck. He sagged down on the shot and made a run in heavy cover at dark of over 100yards without bleeding a drop on the ground. Luckily I had caught a glimpse of him making a hard right turn or we may not have found him in the dark. It would have put the deer down or at least he would have left a serious blood trail if shot with a proper rifle such as even a .243 which ought to be the minimum legally allowed for deer hunting.
It's hard to understand the mindset of someone wanting to use a minimum powered rifle to hunt animals. It borders on unnecessarily cruel in an attempt to prove shooting prowess.
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I dispatched 23 coyotes this fall using a 22lr pistol shooting CCI standards. Shot placement was behind the front leg in the ribs. Most were dead before I could holster the pistol. I have also seen coyotes that took a 100gr HP from a 25-06 and run another 100 yards.
They are tough critters for sure, but not magical. A well placed shot will still result in a dead coyote. If a guy wants to use a 17 HMR and it is legal, by all means have at it.
Found this coyote taking a nap on a big rock. Offhand shot him in the back of the head/neck with my 17HMR at about 75 yards. He just laid his head down and took the eternal nap.
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On all public land east of the Rockies you're only allowed to use a firearm that is legal for whatever Game is in season. You can't tote a 22-250 during small game season. Centerfires are allowed during deer/bear seasons- off limits when those seasons end.
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Found this coyote taking a nap on a big rock. Offhand shot him in the back of the head/neck with my 17HMR at about 75 yards. He just laid his head down and took the eternal nap.
He was close and you made a good head shot. That doesn't vindicate hunting with an under powered rifle for the job at hand.
There are lots of cases of deer being shot at 90 or 100 yards and put down with a single 00 buckshot in the neck but a 12 gauge is still a sorry weapon for deer hunting unless used as a slug gun (an accurate one) at fairly close range.
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Found this coyote taking a nap on a big rock. Offhand shot him in the back of the head/neck with my 17HMR at about 75 yards. He just laid his head down and took the eternal nap.
He was close and you made a good head shot. That doesn't vindicate hunting with an under powered rifle for the job at hand.
There are lots of cases of deer being shot at 90 or 100 yards and put down with a single 00 buckshot in the neck but a 12 gauge is still a sorry weapon for deer hunting unless used as a slug gun (an accurate one) at fairly close range.
Reminds me of the Paul Harvey story where the little kid was tossing star fish back in the ocean. A stranger walked up and said you can't through them all back it won't make any difference. The kid replied, it made a difference for that one.
FWIW: I have shot coyotes with a 30-06 that required backup shots. Shot placement is more important than what your shooting.
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On all public land east of the Rockies you're only allowed to use a firearm that is legal for whatever Game is in season. You can't tote a 22-250 during small game season. Centerfires are allowed during deer/bear seasons- off limits when those seasons end.
Say what? Colorado eastern plains falls into the "east of the Rockies" yet I can carry a 22-250 or 17/204 and hunt coyotes during big game seasons, legally.
Laws aren't preventative measures. In other words, more laws won't prevent gun crime from happening.
I've killed 'yotes with a .22LR. Don't use cheap ammo. Shot a 'yote at about 75 yards with some of the old Win "Wildcat" ammo. I heard the bullet thump home, saw the 'yote jump, yelp and run! Last time I saw him he was nearly a mile away, still covering country! Taken several with a .22 Hornet. That's a superb 'yote cartridge. The 5.56/.223 is also an excellent 'yote getter. If I wanted to "reach out and touch" , I'd go .22-250 Rem.
On all public land east of the Rockies you're only allowed to use a firearm that is legal for whatever Game is in season. You can't tote a 22-250 during small game season. Centerfires are allowed during deer/bear seasons- off limits when those seasons end.
Say what? Colorado eastern plains falls into the "east of the Rockies" yet I can carry a 22-250 or 17/204 and hunt coyotes during big game seasons, legally.
.22-204 with 75 gr. Swift Scirocco does a job on 'yotes. 100 yds, off hand in my yard.
Smart 'yotes don't come walking thru my yard while I'm out in the shop, Christmas Eve, wrapping presents.
Wrapped this dude up pretty quick.
DRT, although he flopped around a bit, slinging blood everywhere before he gave it up.
BTW, the SSII is a great bullet on hogs. I never killed a deer with it because I never shot one with it, always using bigger stuff.
My go to coyote cartridge is the 220 Swift. I have seen many coyotes hit with the .222 rem run off to be lost. I personally do not see a use for a 17 rimfire. It destroys too much meat on small game, necessitating head shots only and will not reliably drop larger predators. The .22 long rifle is much better for small game than a 17 rimfire or the 22 magnum rimfire in my opinion. For larger than rabbits, I want a center fire cartridge I can reload. You younger folks should consider a 22-250 or a 223 Ackley for coyotes if you want to recover all of them. If you don't want the fur, shoot coyotes with anything you want. A dead coyote is likely even if you don't recover it.
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Sometimes them running off to die isn't a bad thing.
If in an area where a stinking 'yote carcass isn't an issue, I'm happy to let them go.
Buzzards gotta eat, too. Dead 'yotes are biodegradable; nature takes care of it's own.
Getting rid of the evidence is just something else I don't have to do.
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Edited to add, in the spirit of Christmas, the 'yote in the yard photo took a 4 wheeler ride to the back of the pasture, my gift to our local buzzards.
That same rifle took the top of the head off a 4' gator interloping in my pond. He sank, and on the third day, rose. Turtles weren't working on him, so as he drifted near the bank, I looped a small rope around a leg, 4 wheeler dragged him back to about where the 'yote ended up. My wife, watching Swamp People, let me know you had to hit them in the head. I let her know that part of his head went into the air when that 75 gr. SSII hit him. He was sunning himself on an island in the pond where the SSII found him.
10 that is not a good comparison. There is only one Pat Sinclair and damn few people who have anywhere near his shooting skills. He uses bigger cartridges now and I am sure there is a reason for that. He shoots predators for a living I'll bet if you asked him to use the 17hmr to do his job he'd laugh then do it because he can but still wouldn't switch.because of it's limitations at range and shooting conditions. I have both the swift and the 17hmr , the only thing common between them is that they are cartridges. With a Swift pd's come apart with a 17 most make it back to hole and bury themselves. Don't know how one can even argue about it. A head shot with anything is usually a drop on the spot deal but how many shooters aim at the head when a chest shot is availible? Out here in Dakota you can get a few dogs as standers or sitting on their mound but after a few shots they go down. Then you either move or settle down to shooting at the top half of their heads as they peek out. 222, 223 are my steady dog getters.mb
I wasn't comparing the 2 and never said the 17 was used exclusively as a coyote round.
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My go to coyote cartridge is the 220 Swift. I have seen many coyotes hit with the .222 rem run off to be lost. I personally do not see a use for a 17 rimfire. It destroys too much meat on small game, necessitating head shots only and will not reliably drop larger predators. The .22 long rifle is much better for small game than a 17 rimfire or the 22 magnum rimfire in my opinion. For larger than rabbits, I want a center fire cartridge I can reload. You younger folks should consider a 22-250 or a 223 Ackley for coyotes if you want to recover all of them. If you don't want the fur, shoot coyotes with anything you want. A dead coyote is likely even if you don't recover it.
A 17 rimfire is very handy in a barn lot or in a somewhat populated area.
Minimal chance of ricochet, that cannot be said for the 22 LR.
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i kill alot of foxes and 'yotes with my 20 Vartarg. the longest shot on a 'yote was 232 yards. what i like about 20VT is the fragmentation of the bullet. it goes in and makes lung soup with chunks of heart. the 20VT will either make a fox/'yote DRT or it will run about 20-30 yards and fall over dead.
i shot a 'yote at 330ish yards, no laser ranger thingy back then, with my Savage m340 in 222 Remington with 50gr Hornady SP and a full load of H322. i sold it after the barrel was fried (6000-7000 rounds from me, i don't know what the number of rounds as i bought it second hand) and i just had have a new Remington m700 in 223 Rem, dummkopf. it was the next to the most inaccurate rifle i ever had. for 25+/- years that is why i no longer own a 223 or a 223 AI.
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In response to the OP, after a great deal of experience shooting quite a number of coyotes, I decided that the .17 Remington (25g. bullet) - although quite good in some respects, is not optimal. The noted cartridge less so.
The short answer would be no imo. I hunt with a .17hmr for small game all the time. It wears out rabbits and ground hog size game very well. And I have killed quite a few coyotes with it, but itās not an optimal choice for them. With a 17 grain polymer tip even less so.
Everyone here wants to be a stunt shooter. Shooting schidt with the smallest gun imaginable. Stop fugghing around take the .17 up for Grizz or Brown Bear.
I kept a 17 HMR as my beside the back door rifle for a while. I shot 2 coyotes with it - one at 75 yards and the other at 85 yards. In both instances the shots were nearly identical, I shot both in the heart lung area, when they spun to bite at the wound I put another shot into the same place, it slowed them enough that I was able to get head shots to finish them off. After that experience the 17 HMR went back in the safe and a 223 occupies the spot by the back door.
The 17 HMR is a good cartridge for shooting ground squirrels, I know that some folks use them for PD's but I won't. I have seen to many PD crawl-offs - even rodents shouldn't have to suffer.
I have to admit though that the 17 HMR does buid some pressure in a coyotes head.
223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers.
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Everyone here wants to be a stunt shooter. Shooting schidt with the smallest gun imaginable. Stop fugghing around take the .17 up for Grizz or Brown Bear.
That brought back a memory. When the 17 Rem was first introduced there was an article in one of the gun rags about the writer taking a grizzly with it, and from what I remember of the article he praised for its killing prowess. Stunt shooting at its finest - I'll bet he had a guide with a big back-up rifle.
Sure wish I could recall the magazine and writer.
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223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers.
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I had a .17 in a Savage bolt rifle. Don't remember the model. It wouldn't come close to being as effective as a .22LR for killing a hog in a trap. I gave it away to a friend that thought he wanted it. He had done me some favors so I told him to take it. He is kind of a gun nut but I don't know what he planned to do with it.
I know he hunts deer with a 7mm RM and a .270W so he is not into hunting with inadequate rifles.
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I haven't had a chance to put a .17 bullet into a coyote yet, but barnyard invaders from striped gopher thru raccoon tell me that there is a big difference between the 17gr fmj that most of them walk away from and the 20gr HP that's stopped everything in its tracks.
I haven't tried any of the gummy-tips, and don't see a need to with the HP performance.
I haven't had a chance to put a .17 bullet into a coyote yet, but barnyard invaders from striped gopher thru raccoon tell me that there is a big difference between the 17gr fmj that most of them walk away from and the 20gr HP that's stopped everything in its tracks.
I haven't tried any of the gummy-tips, and don't see a need to with the HP performance.
The TNT is a very effective coon and cat killer. Even shot coons inside of buildings with them. No exits.
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I haven't had a chance to put a .17 bullet into a coyote yet, but barnyard invaders from striped gopher thru raccoon tell me that there is a big difference between the 17gr fmj that most of them walk away from and the 20gr HP that's stopped everything in its tracks.
I haven't tried any of the gummy-tips, and don't see a need to with the HP performance.
The TNT is a very effective coon and cat killer. Even shot coons inside of buildings with them. No exits.
I haven't had a chance to put a .17 bullet into a coyote yet, but barnyard invaders from striped gopher thru raccoon tell me that there is a big difference between the 17gr fmj that most of them walk away from and the 20gr HP that's stopped everything in its tracks.
I haven't tried any of the gummy-tips, and don't see a need to with the HP performance.
The TNT is a very effective coon and cat killer. Even shot coons inside of buildings with them. No exits.
Fair point -- it's no fun to pass on indoor shots.
I haven't had a chance to put a .17 bullet into a coyote yet, but barnyard invaders from striped gopher thru raccoon tell me that there is a big difference between the 17gr fmj that most of them walk away from and the 20gr HP that's stopped everything in its tracks.
I haven't tried any of the gummy-tips, and don't see a need to with the HP performance.
The TNT is a very effective coon and cat killer. Even shot coons inside of buildings with them. No exits.
Fair point -- it's no fun to pass on indoor shots.
I wouldn't do it without using the TNT and having seen how they work on thin puss cats. No exits there either.
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My CZ 452 17HMR is very accurate and reliable out to 150 yds or so, if the wind is calm.....but I wouldn't trust it on much bigger than a groundhog myself.
I guess if every single critter you shoot at runs away and you never go look for them you can sleep better at night knowing your marksmanship skills are beyond measure because you never ever miss. I can see why the .17hmr would thusly be appealing to farmer Fuddly.
I guess if every single critter you shoot at runs away and you never go look for them you can sleep better at night knowing your marksmanship skills are beyond measure because you never ever miss. I can see why the .17hmr would thusly be appealing to farmer Fuddly.
Never had to do much searching myself.
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25-06 is my favorite coyote gun. If you hit em, they never run. Iāve shot them with a 22 LR before, but only because thatās what I had at hand. Every one of those ran off. I donāt care for rimfires for Coyotes.
25-06 is my favorite coyote gun. If you hit em, they never run. Iāve shot them with a 22 LR before, but only because thatās what I had at hand. Every one of those ran off. I donāt care for rimfires for Coyotes.
A 25-06 for yotes is like an A10 Warthog for one raghead walking his goat.
Donāt have but one .17 and it uses BB caps. German parlor rifle. Quite accurate it is, but would be awkward for hunting.
My preference for hogs is a TC Contender Carbine chambered for .22 Shorts. I use CB shorts ācause theyāre quiet. 150 dead hogs +\-, had to shoot one of them twice. They all dropped dead on the spot. Placement matters. -Hint-
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I could care less what anyone shoots coyotes with. Will the 17HMR kill coyotes, without a doubt. Since the OP asked if the 17HMR was good for coyotes. Iād say it aināt worth a [bleep] compared to all the rifle cartridges there are out there. Iād shoot at em with Whatever I have in hand and have. Itās definitely a step up from a 22LR, but it still leaves a lot of room for improvement.
I could care less what anyone shoots coyotes with. Will the 17HMR kill coyotes, without a doubt. Since the OP asked if the 17HMR was good for coyotes. Iād say it aināt worth a [bleep] compared to all the rifle cartridges there are out there. Iād shoot at em with Whatever I have in hand and have. Itās definitely a step up from a 22LR, but it still leaves a lot of room for improvement.
Doesn't need any improvement if it used for what it was designed to do.
Like every cartridge large or small it too has it's limitations.
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My experience is that a skinny coyote can walk through a OO buck pattern, but not a #4 shot pattern.
My experience is from around the chicken coop, but my brother in MT has been shooting coyotes with a shotgun from an airplane.
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I don't think .17 HMRs are good for coyotes at all. Sometimes they die right away, sometimes they run off and die of a nasty infection. No matter how you slice it, they aren't good for the coyote.
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The problem at my place is that if you carry a .17 you also have to keep a real rifle at hand. Any time of day or night we are liable to see a hog weighing in at well over 200 pounds. So the minimum rifle in my truck is a .223 Weatherby Vanguard2 and that is for my grand daughter. I use a .30-06 with 180 SST. Works fine on coyotes, pit bulls, hogs, and any other troublesome varmint that shows up. In my hands it's good for 300 yards. Better shots could shoot further.
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The problem at my place is that if you carry a .17 you also have to keep a real rifle at hand. Any time of day or night we are liable to see a hog weighing in at well over 200 pounds. So the minimum rifle in my truck is a .223 Weatherby Vanguard2 and that is for my grand daughter. I use a .30-06 with 180 SST. Works fine on coyotes, pit bulls, hogs, and any other troublesome varmint that shows up. In my hands it's good for 300 yards. Better shots could shoot further.
I similarly use mostly 4 cartridges.
22lr for a .22 is needed and used for.
45acp for when it's needed.
Next step up is .223... Tractor and Mule rifles, for when you need a rifle, and not a pop gun. Use one for calling predators in the daytime.
.308 on hogs, deer, and calling hogs or predators at night, mostly because I have a thermal riding on one upper, and a nice scope riding on another. If I need to shoot daytime hours I just swap uppers.
My experience is that a skinny coyote can walk through a OO buck pattern, but not a #4 shot pattern.
My experience is from around the chicken coop, but my brother in MT has been shooting coyotes with a shotgun from an airplane.
#3 buck is my preferred. However, I whacked a āyote about 30 years ago with a load of OO. He was about 20ā away, and was a holy āyote after the shot.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
Back when I was younger, and still calling coyotes seriously like, I carried a benelli 12 gauge auto with number 4 buck and a rifle, usuallly 22/250 but sometimes 257 Robertās or AI and would even resort to a 270 win on an occasion. Rifles loaded with Sierra light jacked bullets so they fragmented once inside the coyote and didnāt exit, so long as you hit in front of thr diaphram. Also liked the 223, but found it a little lacking in killing power when those call wise yotes would hang up out there 400-600 yards. That was when the old 270 and 90 grain Sierra hollow points really shined. Back in the 50ās when I first started calling foxes and coyotes hardly anyone elseās was doing it, and the critters were real easy to fool, I used rifle only, Remington 722 in 222 rem.(still have it) that rifle and varmit hunting got me started in hand loading? Hardly anyone was doing that too. About all I could find for powder was 4895 and Herter bullets, shot a ton of herter wasp waist bullets, thought a 1ā group was really good. How times have changed. I tried carrying a rock river heavy barrel AR in 223 for awhile, and liked the rapid fire abilities , but it was bulkier than I liked and it an electronic caller and shotgun just got to be to much My brother, a damn good caller, lived in Colorado, He and I hunter together quite a lot, both Wyoming and Colorado. Must say together we were a deadly pair. Anyway, he called me one night? his greetings were Bud I did something today you will never in your life accomplish, course whatās that knowing it had to be something about coyotes was my reply, I called in a family unit of 5 coyotes and killed them all on one stand and I didnāt use no damn shotgun either, was his answer. I never did equal that( closes was 4) and that was the same stand for over an hour and separated coyotes, what about the rest of you coyote hunters here in the Rocky mountain front? whatās your best?
Anyway, he called me one night? his greetings were Bud I did something today you will never in your life accomplish, course whatās that knowing it had to be something about coyotes was my reply, I called in a family unit of 5 coyotes and killed them all on one stand and I didnāt use no damn shotgun either, was his answer. I never did equal that( closes was 4) and that was the same stand for over an hour and separated coyotes, what about the rest of you coyote hunters here in the Rocky mountain front? whatās your best?
Not a fair comparison, but I was deer hunting one morning and watched a mama coyote run back to a hole where she had her pups. I ran to the house and got some muratic acid and my Benelli with extended magazine, loaded it with 7.5 and went back and poured it in the hole and moved back about 20 feet. Few seconds later here they came, got mama and 5 pups.
Extreme prejudice is used when my Win Mag,scatters their guts in a 20 yard circle.It smells like victory .The only good coyote is a dead one.
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.The only good coyote is a dead one.