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Remember that if Trump get immunity, it will also give Biden immunity. And Clinton, Bush, and Obama. That is why its probably going to happen. They've always had the immunity the Trump team is asking to be applied to him. This is the first time someone is saying it doesn't. All he wants is immunity for acts carried out and consistent with his Presidential duties - like all others have enjoyed before him. Ensuring an election was conducted fairly is an official duty as President, that's the follow up question that comes after this. He was still President J6. The caveat here is saying he doesn't have it - which then removes it for Biden/Bush/Clinton etc. Now you can sue/prosecute a President who acted in an official capacity but didn't do so the way you preferred. Kavanaugh asked the question yesterday, "If that is the case, why didn't Obama get charged when he droned civilians during his term?" Trump lawyer schooled Ketanji yesterday when she postulated that Trump immunity would set a very bad precedent for the future...Trump lawyer, M'am it's been that way for 234 years. Six of the justices 'get it'...we shall see. The woman is barely a lawyer. Another moochelle gifted their degree. It's such a joke. Heck, I probably worked harder for my Computer Science degree than those two did for their law degrees.
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This is going to have to be decided on a incident by incident basis. About the best they can do now is issue guidelines as to what is/isn't executive function.
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They've always had the immunity the Trump team is asking to be applied to him. This is the first time someone is saying it doesn't. All he wants is immunity for acts carried out and consistent with his Presidential duties - like all others have enjoyed before him. Ensuring an election was conducted fairly is an official duty as President, that's the follow up question that comes after this. He was still President J6.
The caveat here is saying he doesn't have it - which then removes it for Biden/Bush/Clinton etc. Now you can sue/prosecute a President who acted in an official capacity but didn't do so the way you preferred. exactly
Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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They've always had the immunity the Trump team is asking to be applied to him. This is the first time someone is saying it doesn't. All he wants is immunity for acts carried out and consistent with his Presidential duties - like all others have enjoyed before him. Ensuring an election was conducted fairly is an official duty as President, that's the follow up question that comes after this. He was still President J6.
The caveat here is saying he doesn't have it - which then removes it for Biden/Bush/Clinton etc. Now you can sue/prosecute a President who acted in an official capacity but didn't do so the way you preferred. exactly Hell, the DOJ still hasn't even provided SCOTUS with what "crime" this applies to. I expect SCOTUS to kick it down, reaffirming the long held immunities from previous 2 centuries and then state, basically, that absent a specific application, they can't comment on if he has it or not. You need to tell us what crime was alleged and then we can tell you if immunity applies. Immunity remains for all Presidential actions that arise through and meet the official capacity of his or her position.Make DOJ claim a specific action didn't meet that and then argue why it doesn't - DOJ doesn't want to because they know it doesn't pass legal muster but also need the conviction NOW, not in 9 months and then appeal and lose. They're trying to take advantage of something they know they'll lose out in the long term but lose AFTER the election, not before.
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Like all their lawfare cases.
In a poll 50% said if Trump was found guilty, he wouldn’t be fit to be president. Doesn’t matter that they wouldn’t know ANYTHING about the cases, what he is alleged to be guilty of, what real evidence was presented, or that they will be overturned. It’s all about staining his name, take his money and impeding his ability to campaign.?
Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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My guess is that SCOTUS will rule that presidents have immunity for their official actions and they will probably describe a test to be used to determine what constitutes an official action. Then they will send the case back down to the lower courts to implement. The lower courts will then implement and appeals will likely follow.
It's a long complicated process, but it will probably mean that the trial under Tonya Chutkan will not complete before the election.
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So what exactly is in the constitution that gives the president immunity?
That’s my take. I’m no constitutional scholar, but isn’t the point of impeachment to charge a president or elected official with some criminal action? Also, doesn’t the constitution state that a sitting president can’t be tried for actions taken while in office, and that impeachment is the avenue for removal from power? Just my take.
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He won't get full immunity but they will grant him enough to put this BS to bed. They won't do it for Trump's sake but they will do it to protect Slick Willy, OBozo and Joey when he leaves office.
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He won't get full immunity but they will grant him enough to put this BS to bed. They won't do it for Trump's sake but they will do it to protect Slick Willy, OBozo and Joey when he leaves office. ^^^^^
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He won't get full immunity but they will grant him enough to put this BS to bed. They won't do it for Trump's sake but they will do it to protect Slick Willy, OBozo and Joey when he leaves office. ^^^^^ Yep, that is their quandry now. I think he has his people on the SC rule no immunity to nail the traitors knowing Trump can get cleared later on appeal. Trump has already truthed that he will appeal.
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Chief Justice Roberts train of thought leads me to believe SCOTUS will go 6-3 for immunity. A lower appellate court opined that the "former president can be prosecuted because he's being prosecuted"! WTH? https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...prosecuted-because-hes-being-prosecuted/
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Lindsay and The Derby Donkey named Mitch put a bunch of these Constitutional Illiterates on the Bench over the Years.
8 Years of the Black Jesus Nominations is Living Proof of their Treason to the Constitution..
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SCOTUS IS NOT THE FINAL ON ANYTHING...
20 million men and women with guns and balls... IS.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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92% of america will gets into a box car...
8% won'ts.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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