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The only reason to go to the 358 Norma
Is because you want a 358 Norma. A perfectly valid reason, no doubt. I am looking at a 375 Ruger and hoping to use 260 grain partitions at 2600 fps. BMT
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Gotta love those 35s. Currently I only have a 358 win in a short light package. For you 35 lovers here is a good link: http://www.35cal.com/articles.htmlI pondered making a 358 Norma at one point but ended up making a 375 Taylor instead. A 260 Accubond at 2750 mashes the elk flat. I know the 375 Ruger can surpass the Taylor, sort of like the 358 norma over the 35 whelen but it may not be necessary for most purposes. Something can be said for a bit less recoil. Speaking of recoil: Phil, I still grin when I think of you at the range shooting that 505 Gibbs. You asked your friend, "did you see the muzzle flash?". After a second shot and your friend still couldn't see the flash, that you realized it was your eyes being distorted by the extreme recoil!
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Love the .35's myself and just to screw with your head, have you considered the .350 Remington Magnum. Same ballistics as the .35 Whelen, out of a 20" barrel!
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One nice advantage of the 35's is the ability to use 357 pistol bullets- either reloaded or from a cartridge adapter. I am setting up a stainless Ruger No 1 in 35 Whelen for just this purpose.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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One nice advantage of the 35's is the ability to use 357 pistol bullets- either reloaded or from a cartridge adapter. I am setting up a stainless Ruger No 1 in 35 Whelen for just this purpose. Wow: A stainless Ruger #1 set up just to shoot pistol bullets from the 35 Whelen case. You Sir, have earned a PhD. in Rifle-Loony with that. My great and total admiration is yours. I am humbled. BMT
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I guess I do have to plead guilty but, in my defense, I also plan on using it with full power loads as well. The rifle is also one that my son has plans for as he also inherited a full dose of the rifle loony gene. He is a diehard 35 Whelen fan and calls the 9.3x62's "euro-trash"
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Still and all, I am humbled . . . . . BMT
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I tryed the pistol bullet thing but didn't like it as it is limiting. I do not want to be caught with a mag full of 150gr nosler IPSC bullets for grouse and scare up a bedded moose, deer, bear or 'billy. So i settled on 200gr hornaday SP knock any of the afore mentioned upside down at the ranges they wood be encountered
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I guess I do have to plead guilty but, in my defense, I also plan on using it with full power loads as well. The rifle is also one that my son has plans for as he also inherited a full dose of the rifle loony gene. He is a diehard 35 Whelen fan and calls the 9.3x62's "euro-trash" Phil, "Euro-trash" indeed. I'm also a lover of 35's (358Win and 350RemMag currently) but I now really wonder whether the Whelen/Howe combination knew of the 9x63 when they decided to make their Nth American 375H&H substitute ... the 35Whelen. Cheers... Con
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9.3X62 Euro-trash!? What a croc! The only thing a 35 Whelen is good for is making into a 358STA! ;-)
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Phil,
Next time you talk to Taj tell him that the .35 Whelen is merely a belated (and rather lightweight) American imitation of a time-proven European design, which is precisely why it didn't become a factory round for 3/4 of a century after the 9.3x62 was being chambered.
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"To study without a book is to sail an uncharted sea, While to study only from books is not to go to sea at all" Sir William Osler
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John, Since I am having my third 9.3x62 built I just told Taj I was having a 36 Whelen built. I also threatened to have the No 1 re-bored to 9.3.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Actually, I was just hoping for a report on his facial expression when you forwarded my message.
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I can't see a reason to do a .35 Whelen when you can do a 9.3x62. IF the twist was right and you had a lot of 280 grain bullets available for the Whelen, that would be another story. Even if you put in a heavy bullet twist, you still only have a couple of heavyweights to choose from. The 286-300's make the 9.3 more flexible. If you want to shoot 250-grain bullets it makes more sense to use a .338-06 IMO.
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Hmmmmm.... this post has me thinking about a Remmy pump gun in 9.3X62.
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I have been thinking that way myself for a few months.
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CZ550 "American" chambers 9.3x62mm... now don't get me wrong cuz I wouldn't agree with the "Euro-trash" characterization (though it made me smile) but "American"??? C'mon. 338 Win Mag is American. .35 Whelen is American.
I just didn't get that when I saw it.
I think that I may have to scrounge up a little change and grab up a Springfield '03A3 action and build a Whelen.
Is 9.3x62 or Whelen ammo more readily available in Alaska? Seems to me one could get hurt throwing metrics around when asking for ammo at some backcountry supply store...
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Both the Whelen and the 9.3 "Euro-trash" rounds are avaliable in Anchorage and Fairbanks. I don't know about the SE or Kodiak but most of us rifle loonies stock up anyway when we find ammo and supplies.
A 35 Whelen on an 03 Spfld is classic.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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I always wanted a Whelen until I got my first 9.3X62. Now, every time I see a rifle I like, I always wonder what it would be like in a 9.3X62!
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