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For me personally, I'd want a 9.3x57.
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The 35 Whelen is terrific but the best .35 caliber had to be the 35 Newton.
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For me personally, I'd want a 9.3x57. Rusty- You need to check out the hunting rifles section at the Sacro Inc web site!! They have Husqvarna '96s & '98s in 9.3x57 for a song ($200-$300)right now. They even have barreled actions. I've been going there and just looking at the pictures lately. I know, I'm a little obsessive. But these things a beautiful! The thing that lost me on that caliber was cost of dies and brass. If I were to buy one of those lovely hunting tools I'd do the '98 and have it rebored to 62mm, personally. So many rifles, so little time... and money...
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EFWakeman... I've seen them in Shotgun New's magazine. Problem right now is my town only has one gun dealer, who charges an outragious amount. That low price will easily double by the time I have him get one.
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A 35 Whelen on an 03 Spfld is classic. God Love you Phil. BMT
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Thanks for sharing guys! There are two Whelens in my safe; damnfine pig guns.
My buddy just bought the Remmy auto. Shot a hog last week with it 4 times. He's 53 and shoots it like a kid!
I'd like a 9.3, but it is SO easy to get casting components for the 35's and using oversize GC's is a pain. (Ever make 44 GC's work on a 416 or 35 GC's on a 338?).
The REAL classic 35 for me would be the 35 G & H! Anyone ever had the itch?
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The real classic .35 to me would be the .350 Rigby. Somehow I talked myself down though, and so only have a .35 Remington, two .358 Winchesters and a .358 Norma.
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John, was just fondling an original pre-war 350 Rigby yesterday and they certainly define "classic" - but the best old Spfld custom sporters in 35 Whelen are not too far behind. Covergent evolution ?
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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A perfect example. Too bad so many .350's were converted to .375 H&H....
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I talked with Lon yesterday and he just received two original 350 Rigbys in his shop and one was re-barreled to 9.3x72. those slant box Rigby's are about the only way to make that work in a bolt rifle.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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A couple of weeks ago I ordered a ss Lilja with 1 in 12 twist. It will be mounted on a ss MRC and planted in a McMillan stock. I agonized for a couple of weeks if I should go the 338/06 route or the 35 Whelen. In the end the Whelen won. Holding 5 down in the magazine loaded with either 225 or 250 partitions I think I may of just found my ultimate deer hunting rifle for Kodiak.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
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i think the 35 is a good choice, shoots a 250gr bullet better than the 338-06 and thats what these mid-bores are all about, reasonable size bullet at reasonable velocity, if I wanted something fast in an 06 case then i would lean toward something in 30 caliber, instead of a 200gr 33 cal bullet.
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If I wanted something fast in an 06 case then i would lean toward The 25-06 AI . . . BMT
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A couple of weeks ago I ordered a ss Lilja with 1 in 12 twist... 35 Whelen... I may of just found my ultimate deer hunting rifle for Kodiak. No: I'd call that the ultimate rifle for North America, personally. There was a great article in Sports Afield not long ago advocating this exact combination for thin-skinned dangerous game in Africa as well... where allowed, of course. Sweet sounding choice in armament!!
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One nice advantage of the 35's is the ability to use 357 pistol bullets- either reloaded or from a cartridge adapter. I am setting up a stainless Ruger No 1 in 35 Whelen for just this purpose. Phil, Once you hit a woodchuck with that you will forget all about bear hunting! whelennut
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger! There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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I really love the idea of a 9.3 x 62, but I have and use 3 - .35 Whelens - an ordinary Rem 700 classic, a Sako AV classic re-barreled to .35 W with 24", 1-12" twist, and a Ruger #1A re-barreled with a 24" 1-12". I have shot right through nearly all the elk and moose I have used these rifles on, (more than a dozen) with 250 gr. Speer Grand slam bullets mostly, but also Hornady RN, Speer Hot Cor, Remington factory loads, and even a few 225 grain bullets. I just can't believe there is any advantage to any cartridge ( or bullet weight) with more penetrating ability for critters that size, including brown bears. Buy a .358 Norma if you like, or a 9.3x62, 4, 6 whatever, but you won't kill bears any deader than you will with a Whelen. It's fun to dream about new rifles though Isn't it?
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Once you get past a 30-06 w/200 NP caliber choice is more or less a personal choice or a sense of well being. This is not to say that a stopping rifle is called for from time to time!
That being said I had my 1st 358 Norma built in 1981 after spending 20 days with Ray MacNutt on Misery Creek lusting over his Norma on a Springfield action.
It's an inherintly accurate cartridge,it's powerfull,it's easy to fireform(338 1 shot} and up to 200 yds or so most bullet wgts shoot in the same killing region.
I tend to use more than enough gun
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358 Norma vs 35 Whelan is almost exactly the same argument as 308 vs 30-06. With lighter bullets the 35 Whelan does fine as does the 350 Rem Mag. At 250 to 275 grains the big Norma drives the bullets enough faster to be a more useful all-rounder. 300 grain bullets at 2500-2600ft/sec in the Norma are in a whole different class and as was said are hard to distinguish from the 375 H&H.
I am always happy I have two of the big Norma's a 6.75 pound light barrelled Ruger for when I want to hunt on foot and a 8 pound Sako for when I want to shoot nice groups or hunt from a canoe without being recoiled into the water.
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I have been eating moose meat for 20yrs , thanks to whelen!
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The 9.3x62 as Euro-Trash? Now that is funny, I have to remember that and from this day fourth my 9.3x62 has a new name "Euro"...:) Having used both the 35 Whelen and the 9.3x62, I believe that I can see the 9.3 as a competitor to the .375 H&H and the 35 Whelan as a competitor to the 30-06 with 220 gr. bullets..Just my assessment, both of which are not lacking in any dept. I shoot the 320 gr. Woodleigh at 2400 FPS in my good mauser with a 26" barrel and that is 375 H&H stuff almost..The best I could get out of my Whelan with a 310 gr. Woodleigh was 2200 FPS, but in a 24 inch barrel. Lots of varibles here so I wouldn't swear to anything but I will always be a Euro Trash fan! That is funny, ya gotta love that kid, well he's not a kid anymore, he is a grown man and has done a PH stint in Africa as we speak, but its sometimes hard to visulize them as all grown up...:)
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