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Some of you guys have really got me to thinking about the dangers of the UN and the potential for a military enforced disarmament of the American populace.<BR> After declaring them illegal to own, how do you suppose government/UN troops would go about sweeping the nation for small arms? If they concentrate forces in one area at a time, would they not be flanked if not completely surrounded by "prone varminters" wherever they may go.<P>I do not envision a front line to front line confrontation with enemy forces. As some here have already accurately pointed out, that would be disastrous for us untrained couch potatoes.<P>I don't think that major cities would be an objective, either. Enemy forces would already know that only a few firearms would be found there, and certainly very few "constitutionalists."<P>My guess is that a major operation to disarm Americans would take place in a very clandestine but simultaneous manner, targeting rural areas where the largest concentration of small arms were known to be. They would use current database information to see who has what (or is likely to have what) and who has the mindset (us gun nuts, you know) to be a problem for them. Individuals meeting the predetermined criteria would be at the top of the list to disarm.<P> I don't want to alarm anyone (most of you already know this) but these words we type here are certainly being read by government officials. It's all in the name of national security, and maybe to some degree, understandable. (I didn't say acceptable, I said understandable...)<P> Anyway, I wanted to get some feedback on how you guys think such a military takeover might be conducted. It would not fit the tactical model of anything that has been done anywhere before, all things considered. <BR> <BR> Perhaps those who have posted at this forum their sentiments that we could never overcome such a military assault on our Constitution are the wiser. If I'm correct in assuming that our words are more ubiquitous than we wish they were (read FBI database), then it may be prudent to be counted among the "conformists."<P>Thanks for the read,<P>Wizard

That sounds like a very likely scenario to me. I would expect the disarmament to take place simultaneously across the U.S.. Mandatory registration will be in place first, and the victims of the first wave of confiscation will be hand-picked according to information in those databases. Individuals with the best "fighting arms" will be tapped first, either in the dead of night, or while they are at work, or away from home. Winter might be the most advantageous time for the government, as many of us might think twice about heading for the trees when it's 20 degrees below zero. No doubt, metal detectors will be used to locate hidden weapon and ammo caches inside and outside the homes. Once the best equipped Americans have been cleaned out while at work or sleeping, the rest should be easy. (??)

The thing that everyone is overlooking is that the process has already started. The Bill of Rights won't be destroyed in a toe to toe battle, it'll be snuffed out without the public even realizing what happened.<BR> Let me explain;<BR>1)Our schools no longer teach children how to think, they teach children WHAT to think. Look at recent events, children are being suspended for things like drawing pictures of guns and playing cowboys and indians at recess. This serves to demonize firearms in the minds of children. Guns are "bad". In the mean time, American History classes are being watered down so that today, children are taught that rights are something that are granted by the government. They are specifically NOT taught that The Bill of Rights is not a grant of rights to the people but a LIMITATION on how far government may intrude upon the lives of citizens. Individualism is OK as long as the expression of individualism is self destructive (i.e. garish tattoos or body piercing). However, to exhibit individual THOUGHT can cause you to be labeled as a trouble maker. Here in Michigan, we had a case where a 12 year old boy was considered 'suspect' because he had the audacity to submit a pro-second amendment essay for a history class. Our children are being conditioned that the government has all of the answers.<BR>2)The media (aka The Ministry of Propoganda) are blatantly liberal, so much so that they don't even attempt to disguise it anymore. Under The Fairness Doctrine, equal time had to be given to both sides of an issue, once that was repealed, the facade of fairness fell away and we were left with what we have now, a tool of the left promoting socialism.How many times have you seen a news report about "children killed by guns" or a report about a drug bust but the camera pans over a group of firearms, or my personal favorite, a report about the rising crime rate with a graphic of a handgun over the talking head's shoulder?<BR>3) People just don't care. As long as they have their six pack and their Super Bowl, they're content to let the government become more and more intrusive. As long as they let themselves believe that their rights are being compromised "for the children" or to fight the "war on drugs", they can turn a blind eye to the erosion of The Constitution and pretend that they are free.<BR> Those of us that do decide to stand and fight will be marginalized by the same forces that brought us to this point. The media will label us "wackos" and "terrorists". As it is, just believing that the government is too big and that it should be reined in to a more Constitutional level gets you labeled as an "extremist".<BR> The secret to fighting back is to free yourself. Let's face it, writing to others of a like mind on the internet is cathartic, but it doesn't accomplish very much. Same with writing your congressman. As for voting, I've heard it said that "if voting were effective, it would be illegal". If the feds don't get what they want by legislation, they get it by federal regulation. In neither case do we have a say.<BR>I suggest that everyone read Claire Wolfe's books to get a handle on what you CAN do. If voting and writing helps to deal with the frustration, fine (heck, I still do it). But to accomplish freedom, we can only work to nail down our own little corner of the world. Hopefully, it will border with others of like mind. With enough of us communicating (thank Al Gore for the internet! ;> ) )we might be able to hold out a while longer.<BR> Sorry for the ramble but I've thought about this alot.

ebd10,<BR>Please, ramble on! Although I've heard of Claire Wolfe, I haven't yet read the books. Can you give me and other similarly ignorant souls a sense of what this writer is recommending that we do?<P>PS - The little lady and kids ordered "Unintended Consequences" for me as a Father's Day gift. It hasn't arrived yet, but I'm really looking forward to reading that one. ~ Dan

It has been stated by others, and I will say it again. There will be no mass disarming. That will only increase chances of a war, and they know it. We are already in the midst of the disarming process. More gun control, every purchase goes through instant-check and (probably) registered in a file or database by the government, despite it being illegal for them to do. Then, slowly, we will lose our semi-auto handguns, then semi rifles and shotguns. Then, with more legislation, they will take care of the pumps and levers, and the rest of the handguns. Then they will eventually pick up what is left over.<BR> They will do it so that we don't really realize what is going on. Oh, some of us do, but the great majority of the public doesn't. It's like dismantling a brick wall with a mallet. Just a chip at a time, so small as to be negligible. But if we neglect it, that will be the downfall of that brickwall.<BR> Ebd10, please grant the rest of us your wisdom. It is much appreciated, despite your calling it rambling. Please share more of your views.<P>------------------<BR>There are 80 million gun owners but only 3 million NRA members. What would this nation be like with 80 million NRA members?

All the government has to do is monitor the U.S.Post Office. Most gun owners receive mail from, NRA, gun magazines, Midway, Shilen, Brownells and all the other gun connected businesses. You also learn through the mail that you got your elk, bear,turkey permit. Something to think about. <BR>