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#2609751 - 12/01/08 08:13 AM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: Dutch]
the_shootist Offline
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Registered: 05/21/03
Posts: 18811
Loc: NW Ontario, Canada
My wife shot a lot of Blue Dot loads this year in her 30-06 with 150 gr bullets. Recoil and report were low and pleasing, as was accuracy. I had her plinking pop cans at 40-50 yards just so she could improve her time to the shot. It worked well. She bagged her first bull moose this year, and he wasn't wanting to stick around while she got ready for the shot. She did well.

We'll be doing it again next year.
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#2609780 - 12/01/08 08:27 AM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: the_shootist]
RockyRaab Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 05/23/03
Posts: 13057
Loc: Ogden, Utah
Dutch, do please note that TrailBoss is NOT recommended for use with jacketed bullets.

It's your choice whether to use Blue Dot loads or not. If you follow the procedure of charging a case with a weighed charge, and then immediately seating a bullet, there is a negligible chance of a double charge. If you use any other loading technique, perhaps BlueDot is not for you.
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#2609844 - 12/01/08 08:52 AM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: RockyRaab]
bassetman Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
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Loc: WI
How come every time Blue Dot is brought up there is always a negative remark about double charging a case? I reload over 3,000 rounds a year and have never double charged nor have I ever loaded a round without powder. Doesn't everyone shine a light over their cases in the loading block to ensure the powder charge is equal in all their cases before seating their bullets?

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#2609881 - 12/01/08 09:09 AM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: bassetman]
RockyRaab Offline
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Registered: 05/23/03
Posts: 13057
Loc: Ogden, Utah
Nope, because some of us haven't used a loading block in decades.

Charge one, seat one. Problem prevented. Besides, it's the only practical method when using an electronic dispenser.
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#2609889 - 12/01/08 09:12 AM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: bassetman]
RickyD Offline
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Registered: 07/07/04
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Loc: Iowa
I've always charged and seated, at least ever since a buddy split the cylinder on his Super Blackhawk from a double charge. If anything, I find it faster as I only have to handle the cartridge once for two operations and I know it's safer.
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#2610481 - 12/01/08 02:06 PM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: RickyD]
458 Lott Offline
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Registered: 01/29/01
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Loc: Conundrum, Alaska
As I recall, the max charges of blue dot will overflow the case moth on the various .308 based rounds. I never would have believed the accuracy of the blue dot loads if I hadn't tried them myself.

But since I started toying with .223's in earnest, I haven't done any reduced loads in the larger bores.
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#2610581 - 12/01/08 02:43 PM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: Dutch]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Registered: 03/29/06
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Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
Seafire,
Can you post data for the 50gr bullet out of a .22-250 please?
Thanks!
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#2611666 - 12/01/08 11:08 PM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: Jordan Smith]
Seafire Offline
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Registered: 04/20/04
Posts: 17948
Loc: Southern Oregon USA
 Originally Posted By: Jordan Smith
Seafire,
Can you post data for the 50gr bullet out of a .22-250 please?
Thanks!


II. 50 grain Hornady SP, Win Large Rifle Primer

1. 7 grs: 1722 fps
2. 8 grs: 1911 fps
3. 9 grs: 2057 fps
4. 10 grs: 2206 fps
5. 11 grs: 2328 fps

6. 12 grs: 2473 fps
7. 13 grs: 2627 fps
8. 14 grs: 2729 fps
9. 15 grs: 2856 fps
10. 16 grs: 2940 fps

11. 17 grs: 3116 fps
12. 18 grs: 3181 fps
13. 19 grs: 3271 fps
14. 20 grs: 3354 fps

With this bullet, all the way to 20 grains was reached ( 60%). However, I would recommend max being set at 19 grains or less.


III Sierra 52 grain Hollow Point Match Win Large Pistol Primer

1. 7 grs: 1676 fps
2. 8 grs: 1841 fps
3. 9 grs: 1998 fps
4. 10 grs: 2127 fps
5. 11 grs: 2311 fps

6. 12 grs: 2416 fps
7. 13 grs: 2551 fps
8. 14 grs: No Read
9. 15 grs: 2795 fps
10. 16 grs: 2935 fps

11. 17 grs: 3029 fps
12. 18 grs: 3127 fps
13. 19 grs: 3252 fps
14. 20 grs: 3297 fps

This bullet also reached the 20 grains mark ( 60 %) . However once again I recommend max being set at 19 grains or less.

I've been shooting a load of 18.5 grains of Blue Dot in a 22.250 lately and it has proven to be quite the tack driver... another good thing about it, is that the brass does not even have to be resized frequently... I just deprime and then reprime and it is ready to go again.. doesn't even need neck resizing...

I am using this load as a test on stretching out brass life.. so far on 10 test batches of 10 cartridges each, several have hit the 20 reloads mark and are still going strong..

I am finding this will have an advantage when gone out of state on a prairie dog shooting trip if you can reload the cases without the need to neck size them even...they are averaging needing a neck size about every 5th shot only...
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#2611706 - 12/02/08 12:14 AM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: Seafire]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Registered: 03/29/06
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Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
Seafire,
That's awesome! Thanks for the info!
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#2612182 - 12/02/08 07:29 AM Re: reduced loads using Blue Dot or similar [Re: 458 Lott]
Gaviidae_Esq Offline
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 1297
Loc: Bemidji, MN
 Originally Posted By: 458 Lott
As I recall, the max charges of blue dot will overflow the case moth on the various .308 based rounds. I never would have believed the accuracy of the blue dot loads if I hadn't tried them myself.


DO NOT TRY THIS!

As a rule of thumb maximum Blue Dot loads in .308 based cases are about 60% of case capacity.

Maximum Blue Dot loads in -06 and x57 cases are about 50% of case capacity.

GE

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