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maybe C4 and a 30" tube lol...or he misread the caliber. He must have a 7STW or 7RUM.
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Even though I have my preferences, I'd be happier than a pig in "you know what" to hunt with any of them (280,280AI, or 7 Rem Mag).
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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LOL, I notice that it's the .280AI advocates that are calling BS on Reloader28's data. Is there a wee bit of jealousy going on? After-all, the .280AI can almost match the 7RM. Everybody knows that! 
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Jordan: Pour the coal to any of them and they'll all go a notch over their respective velocity level. Last 280 I messed with clicked at 3150 for a 140....by accident ...and from a 22" barrel. I backed it off..... I think you call that a 280AI,no?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I can tell you that "jealousy" had nothing to do with the comment I made. I was suggesting that at those velocites you are probably running high pressure as well. I have no reason to doubt that he couldn't reach those numbers. I'm sure if I became jealous enough, I could run my Ackley up to 3300 fps with 140's, but I'm not that mad at it yet.
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No worries, RDFinn, I was just ribbin' ya a little bit! I was playing off of the common sentiment around here lately that the .280AI is the near equal of the 7RM with less powder burned 
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I'm used to taking some ribbing as I spend to much time on the optics forum. At least you guys enter logic into the equation............grin
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Professional Fire Fueler here. I like the 280AI just fine for what i do with it. 140NAB at 3206 from a 24 3/4" tube with a charge of 63.3grns VV N165 and itty bitty groups suits the dickens outta me. And my shoulder lives to shoot another day.
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If someone wants to tell me that those NAB's launched at 3400 make that much of a difference as a whitetail killing machine I'll have to get my chest waders out.
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I'll ask again in case my the last time it got lost in confusion: Is the 280AI loaded to the same pressures as the 270Win or 280Rem??? Just curious ... non-of my manuals tell me .... 
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If someone wants to tell me that those NAB's launched at 3400 make that much of a difference as a whitetail killing machine I'll have to get my chest waders out. RD: Makes no difference at all.....now if they start below 3000?Well that's a different story!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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If someone wants to tell me that those NAB's launched at 3400 make that much of a difference as a whitetail killing machine I'll have to get my chest waders out. Nope, not with whitetail. It just makes a difference with elk and moose when the distance is stretched out there
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You know, I have had about enough of these people on here always contradicting my posts. I have always been respective of others opinions here and accepted them at face value. Am I simple minded? No. I speak truth to all and make it personal policy never to lie to anyone. So I don't expect others to lie to me. That is one of the directives of the 10 Commandments which I take seriously along with the rest of The Word of God.
I reckon this board is not worth my effort anymore. I came here and persevered to try to learn from you guys and it seems all I get is ridiculed. I quit hanging out with those type folks in Junior High.
To those who have been good to me, namely BobinNH along with a few others, I thank you. Jordan Smith, I enjoyed our discussions.
Reloder28 out.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Reloader28, Don't let them get to you. Sure there are a couple of vocal cynics, but the great majority who read your posts take them at face value, I assure you. I also enjoy our discussions, and I'm sure there will be many more to come
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Both hand loaded to potential, the 7mm beats out the 280AI by @ 100fps across the board. Whether that's significant is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I don't even see the need for the extra 50fps+ or - the AI gives over the .280Rem. JMO, YMMV. My 7 RM pushes 140's along @ 3408 fps average for 5 shots. That is quite a bit more than 100 fps over the 280 Remington. I'm not contradicting you...you may indeed get that. But it's a heap faster than "normal" even by my standards, of which I've been accused of playing fast and loose with loading data. But still, I said each will out do it's less capacity cousin by 100 fps...and I guess I shouls have said "give or take". I can run 139s at 3150, and 140s at 3100 from the 280Rem. I expect 3200 or better would be doable in the AI. You run yours how you want to.
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Lots of good gack to debate, but the line about the various 7mm's I remember best was from Jerry Fisher, the famous stockmaker, who for years shot a pre-'64 Model 70 Winchester in 7x57 he stocked himself. Jerry lives in Montana and has hunted a lot, and he says the biggest mistake he ever made was to rechamber and modify the 7x57 to the 7mm Remington Magnum in the mid-1960's, when the 7RM was the "in cartridge." Jerry says all it the 7mm RM does is use more powder, kick harder and make more noise, because it doesn't kill any better than the 7x57.... Saw in an article years ago where Kenny Jarret fired the 7 Mag as well as the 280AI through a bed sheet from a short distance and was surprised at the amount of un burnt powder from the 7Mag vs. the AI while yeilding virtually the same velocity. Why waste the powder ??? Simple economics to me. While I have no experience with the 7 mag it would seem to me that its only advantage would be when using 175s or heavier bullets. JMHO
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