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In cold, how does Gore's "Duratherm" compare to Primaloft 200 gram light with a Goretiex liner vs. 400 Gram Thinsulate with a Goretex liner? Or, is Gore's Duratherm just their proprietary version that uses either Primaloft of Thinsulate? I'm confused
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They way I understood duratherm was it was a light fleece bonded with the gore liner to aid in breathability and waterproofness. I thought it really didn't add much insulation if none at all. I have seen a few pairs of uninsulated boots that have the duratherm liner.
Im pretty intrested to hear the other info on it though.
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I'm in the market for a new pair of boots... Cabelas Mountain Hunters (which I absolutely LOVED) blew out an eyelet... Cabelas was supposed to get my size in to replace them, but after three mo's waiting I'm now told they're no longer available.
Got a pair of Lowa Hunters from Zappos at the cloeout price of $275 but they're too narrow and are going back tomorrow (Zappos doesn't offer Wides).
I'll likely just do a Schnees Sheephunter... they do the Primaloft 200 gram in their Lowa Sheephunter vs. Lowa's Hunter which uses Duratherm. The Lowas are a bit stiffer than I'd like...
The Cabela's Mountain Hunter's used a 400 gram Thinsulate with Goretex bootie... kept my feet remarkably warm.
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What size do you wear Brad? I just picked up a pair of the hanwag trapper for cheap in the classifieds. If they work out im going to get rid of my mendel's.
Buying boots sucks too. No thoughts on the kenetreks?
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I'm just not a used boot guy. I wanna break them in my way, but thanks anyway. Size 9.5D with an American last... 9.5E in the Lowas apparently.
Kenetreks? There's a few things about them that don't satisfy the inner boot loonie. I'm not opposed to owning a pair, but I'm going to try the Wide Schnees Sheephunter first (they're no available yet) to compare them with the Kenetrek.
Hangwag Trapper Tops would be excellent but they are FRIGGIN expensive ($485)... they're Duratherm, right?
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I hear ya. Yea the are duratherm.
I have wanted to try them for a long time but couldnt shell out coin for them. I was super stoked to get them out of the classifieds for cheap.
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So, just returned from a boot excursion... everyone in town is out of the Kenetrek's and Schnee's is out of my size in a Wide Sheephunter. Looking over what was available in the Kenetrek I suspect I'll need a Wide in that as well.
Talking to the boys at Schnees, they told me the 200 gram Primaloft Lite is the equivalent of 400 gram Thinsulate... they had no idea how the Duratherm compares.
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So is cabelas not going to make the mountian hunter anymore?
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Nope. "Customer Service" took three mo's to call back and give me the news. They have nothing but wides left on their website. After that, nada. They must have had mucho problems with them... I can't be the only guy that pulled an eyelet out... too bad. Phenomenally comfortable and the 400 gram Thinsulate worked well into the -F's for my cold-susceptible feet...
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That's too bad. You find a pair of boots you like and then cant get replacements. Should start buying two pairs at a time Can carters fix the eyelet for you?
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Carters could might very well have been able to with a different eyelet, problem is I sent them back waiting for a replacement pair. Cabela's customer service is usually on top of stuff, but they really dropped the ball this time. I repeatedly have given them my cellphone and email to contact me, yet they called our home phone (we don't use it and have no recorder) to inform me of the situation after two mo's, but never used the requested means of communication... when three mo's had lapsed, I finally called them. Irritating. I also told the gal to quit sending me that damn, 2" thick abomination they call a catalog
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So now you have a refund on a set of boots they no longer make. Sweet deal good luck on the hunt. If you want to check out those hanwags when they get here let do coffee sometime.
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Kenetreks? There's a few things about them that don't satisfy the inner boot loonie. I'm not opposed to owning a pair, but I'm going to try the Wide Schnees Sheephunter first (they're no available yet) to compare them with the Kenetrek.
Mac, what is it about the K's that don't satisfy you, and with which one? Perhaps one of these days we should meet out at the shop and have you try some on? Plus then you could ask Jim the insulation question you posed. He's been building boots for a long time and using them in the back country and knows more about boots than most in the world I'd guess. IMO he's pretty much the D'Arcy of the boot world...grin Just a thunk, Dober
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So, just returned from a boot excursion... everyone in town is out of the Kenetrek's and Schnee's is out of my size in a Wide Sheephunter. Looking over what was available in the Kenetrek I suspect I'll need a Wide in that as well. . Do the Kennetrek's come in a wide size?? I ordered some Mountain Extremes NI in 11 reg. but had to send them back. I wear an 11 wide in the Lowa Tibet's and they fit perfectly. I wish Kennetrek would make a wide.
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They do in the 400's, as I know of they don't in the NI's.
Good to hear you tried them on, I've seen a whole bunch of people tell me they wear a wide and then when we sized them up they actually didn't...go figure
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Oh and I almost forgot the K boot that is slam dunk my fav, the Hardscrabble and it comes in a wide in sizes 8-12 and 13.
During the last two years the vast majority of my hunting has been done wearing these and if it's cold out and or wet I put on the K brand gators. I've not had any issue wearing them right into the Nov elk seasons here.
If you're thinking about a NI boot Foxtrot then you should give them a call and check them out.
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Thanks for the help. I sure liked the K's but need the wide. I have a pair of the Cabela's Meindls sitting here now. They're ok, but I think I will look around a bit more. I like my Tibets, just want something a little taller. I will look into the hardscrabbles now.
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Fox-I'm pretty darn sure if you try the Hardscrabbles that you'll like em. If you try em let me know if you like em, I can't imagine that you won't, but feet do vary.
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Mark, I called you Sunday but didn't hear anything... get my message?
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Mac, what is it about the K's that don't satisfy you, and with which one? Mark, I located one Wide pair in 9's... didn't fit as they're obviously a bit short but I definitely need a wide... other than that, no one in town had them in any size. Rob has them at Shedhorn but didn't think to try them on Saturday when I was down there. They're a very nicely built boot. Obviously they're keeping cost down by the sole and midsole they use as well as the use of a different laminate (Windtex I think?) other than Goretex. Likely that's just as good. I'm also not a big fan of the collar dropping so low in the back of the boot... One reason I've never been keen on the Meindel's. Everyone's got their preferences for sure and at the end of the day fit is more important to me than every last detail being the way I want it. If I can find a pair in 9.5 Wide ( I definitely need a wide), I look forward to giving them a thorough "in-store" trial. The Lowa Sheephunter has a sole and midsole more to my liking as well as a collar. OTOH, I like the Kenetrek bellows tongue better. At the end of the day it's going to come down to what feels best between those two.
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