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This is for academic purposes only, as I can only verify this data is safe in my rifles.. so if you use it, it is at your own risk...
this is dedicated to member "Ruger # 1".. as it was per his request...
Blue Dot Range Report; 243 Winchester
Rifle Used: Winchester Varmint
Barrel Length: 26 inches
Case Used: Remington New
Primer: Fed 210
Max: Capacity: 41.0 grains
Capacity Tested: 8 ( 20%) to 24 grains ( 60%)
1. Bullet : 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip OAL: 67.50 mm
8 grs: 1785 fps 13 grs: 2381 fps 18 grs: 2979 fps 9 grs: 1927 fps 14 grs: 2525 fps 19 grs: 3078 fps 10 grs: 2096 fps 15 grs: 2633 fps 20 grs: 3182 fps 11 grs: 2128 fps 16 grs: 2750 fps 21 grs: 3285 fps 12 grs: 2241 fps 17 grs: 2898 fps 22 grs: 3342 fps
23 grs: 3471 fps 24 grs: 3555 fps
Max Is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.
2. Bullet: 60 grain Sierra Hollow Point OAL; 67.50 mm
8grs: 1675 fps 14grs: 2404 fps 20grs: 3047 fps 9grs: 1779 fps 15grs: 2526 fps 21grs: 3159 fps 10grs: 1869 fps 16grs: 2591 fps 22grs: 3227 fps 11 grs: 2018 fps 17grs: 2718 fps 12grs: 2167 fps 18grs: 2809 fps 23grs: 3286 fps 13 grs: 2305 fps 19grs: 2961 fps
Max is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.
3. Bullet: 75 grain Hornady Hollow Point; OAL: 69.50 mm
8 grs: 1279 fps 13 grs: 2082 fps 18grs: 2604 fps 9grs: 1639 fps 14 grs: 2211 fps 19grs: 2704 fps 10grs: 1755 fps 15grs: 2280 fps 20grs: 2761 fps 11grs: 1882 fps 16grs: 2424 fps 21grs: 2798 fps 12grs: 1989 fps 17grs: 2499 fps 22grs: 2958 fps
75 grain Hornady Continued
23 grs: 3016 fps
Max is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.
3. Bullet: 80 grain Winchester SP: OAL: 69.50 mm
8grs: 1340 fps 14grs: 2159 fps 20grs: 2725 fps 9grs: 1578 fps 15grs: 2265 fps 21grs: 2811 fps 10grs: 1696 fps 16grs: 2298 fps 22grs: 2826 fps 11grs: 1894 fps 17grs: 2462 fps 23grs: 2928 fps 12grs: 1928 fps 18grs: 2552 fps 13grs: 2069 fps 19grs: 2665 fps
Max is recommended at 21 grains for reliable brass life
4. Bullet: 87 grain Hornady SP: OAL: 69.60 mm
8grs: 1057 fps 14grs: 2026 fps 20grs: 2580 fps 9grs: 1434 fps 15grs: 2108 fps 21grs: 2652 fps 10grs: 1558 fps 16grs: 2226 fps 22grs: 2741 fps 11grs: 1683 fps 17grs: 2323 fps 23grs: 2782 fps 12grs: 1806 fps 18grs: 2415 fps 13grs: 1898 fps 19grs: 2487 fps
Max is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.
5. Bullet: 95 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip: OAL: 70.50mm
10grs: 1520 fps 15grs: 2080 fps 20grs: 2514 fps 11grs: 1648 fps 16grs: 2159 fps 21grs: 2601 fps 12grs: 1757 fps 17grs: 2250 fps 22grs: 2693 fps 13grs: 1868 fps 18grs: 2295 fps 23grs: 2740 fps 14grs: 1974 fps 19grs: 2420 fps
Max is recommend at 22 grains for reliable brass life.
6. Bullet: 100 grain Hornady SP; OAL: 69.25 mm
11grs: 1575 fps 16grs: 2113 fps 21grs: 2512 fps 12grs: 1724 fps 17grs: 2207 fps 22grs: 2581 fps 13grs: 1828 fps 18grs: 2299 fps 14grs: 1927 fps 19grs: 2365 fps 15grs: 2019 fps 20grs: 2438 fps
Max is recommended at 21 grains for reliable brass life.
7. Bullet: 105 grain Speer SP; OAL: 70.50 mm
10grs: 1270 fps 16grs: 2050 fps 22grs: 2561 fps 11grs: 1521 fps 17grs: 2142 fps 12grs: 1668 fps 18grs: 2239 fps 13grs: 1757 fps 19grs; 2311 fps 14grs: 1837 fps 20grs: 2412 fps 15grs: 1928 fps 21grs: 2483 fps
Max is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.
Conclusions:
1. I consider the 243 much more versatile for a first rifle using these loads than starting a younger shooter out on a 223 or 22/250. It will duplicate the other two rounds, plus has the ability to handle a heavier bullet while still giving mild recoil characteristics. 2. The 243 offers a wide variety of bullets from 55 grain to 105 grain for hunting, and even 107 and 115 grain bullets for long range target shooting and competition. 3. Some bullets that are lighter than other bullets reach max pressure signs at lower powder charges, than a few heavier bullets. This is caused by the load bearing surface of the bullet.
Observations:
1. Contrary to what is usually seen, or expected: In using trees about 8 inches in diameter as backstops, I noticed that in the 2200 to 2800 fps range, most of the varmint bullets were actually penetrating thru the trees completely. Since they are suppose to be fragile for varmint applications, I did not expect to see this. However It was observed in the 55 grain Ballistic Tip, the 60 grain Sierra Hollow Point and the 75 grain Hornady Hollow Point. 2. Therefore it is my PERSONAL conclusion that these bullets might be considered as potential bullets on deer sized game in parts of the country where deer only get to be Antelope sized animals. 3. If this is done, the results are strictly the responsibility of the handloader and shooter. IN the 2200 to 2800 fps range, the rear core is staying intact and not exploding like is advertised a varmint bullet should do. Over this speed the bullet is performing in the explosive manner as designed. 4. I got input from other shooters on an internet forum asking about their experience with this bullet, there were some successes, some failures, and many recommendations for a larger bullet. However, if someone desires to use these varmint style bullets, I advise testing them yourself and analyse your results before deciding to use them.
As always, work your loads up from a point long before listed maximum.
I hope that this information is useful in teaching new and young shooters how to shoot properly and safely. Recoil will be substantially less than typical factory loads. This should assist in accurate shot placement by the shooter.
Cheers and Good shooting Seafire, May 2004
This data is also applicable for the 6mm Rem.. or close enough for "government work"....and yes, I have tested it in a 6mm Rem also...
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Seafire, Thank you very much for the info.Now to buy some Blue Dot!
Thanks again.
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Bump.....
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Anyone remember the guy on predatormasters who blew his gun up and almost lost an eye with these light loads in a 223 I think?
Wouldn't trust em.
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anyone who blows up a gun using this stuff, can't blame it on the load...
it was their loading technique that screwed up....
can happen with a lot of other loads when overloaded.. not just with this powder...
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Not overloaded, as I recall there was some concern about light powder charges being ignited from behind the bullet first or something like that.
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Glad this was brought back up.
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Shot 100 rounds of 243 shells at gophers yesterday. They were loaded with 15 grains of blue dot and 58 grain V-maxes. They shot 3/4” and with low noise and little recoil they were about perfect for a good gopher shoot.
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I have used Seafire load formula on 8 or 9 rifles from 22H to 9.3x62. I find the most accu. and consistant loads at 40 to 42%. When I used it on my 6TCU rifle with 50gr cheapies, I was using 0.10gr steps at 50yrds and on the targets you could see the size of groups and extreme spread go down and then start to get larger.
Last edited by FatAlbert; 12/22/19.
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I don't remember the charge I settled on but my oldest daughter cut her teeth on M7 .243 with 90 grain bullets with a decent charge of Blue Dot (thanks to Seafire). They were accurate, consistent in velocity, and very soft shooting to the shoulder. It made her shooting a pleasant experience and I just switch to full power loads for hunting and she never really noticed in the heat of the moment. I am glad the thread got bumped and I highly recommend and appreciate Seafire's data. I hope others can follow the lead with new shooters so as to help to avoid recoil induced flinching and promote marksmanship and confidence.
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