|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 34,327 Likes: 10
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 34,327 Likes: 10 |
It's been a long time since I fired a rifle with iron sights. All of my rifles are topped with optics except for my new AR-15 in 6.5 Grendel.
I got into a discussion the other day with a gentleman about accuracy with iron sights vs a good quality scope. He made some comments that sounded pretty off the wall. Comments like, "if your iron sight groups are larger than your scope groups at 100 yards, than you need to practice more. Scopes make it easier to hit well with less practice, or with bad eyes" Am I missing something here? Is this more Internet BS or is it possible to shoot as well with iron sights as with a good scope at distance of 100+ yards, with a stock rifle and stock sights?
I say he is full of BS or on crack, but I have been wrong before.
Last edited by steve4102; 06/23/09.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1
Campfire Oracle
|
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1 |
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 827
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 827 |
Iron sight cover a number of different styles from the shallow vee and large bead front to buckhorn and square notch rear with flat topped and faced front posts all the way through apertures mounted from the bridge to the wrist. Then there are target apertures and they definately can be as accurate as a scope. Then you have to asertain whether he is talking about bench or off hand as it can sometimes be easier to hit with an open sight as there are no magnified wobbless to induce trigger snatch and the let-off can sometimes be smoother.
Von Gruff.
Von Gruff.
Exodus 20:1-17
Acts 4:10-12
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,371 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,371 Likes: 1 |
I think with a peep & good eyes, small groups are possible. I think a scope is a lot better.
1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994
"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 34,327 Likes: 10
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 34,327 Likes: 10 |
So you can shoot groups with factory irons equally as accurate at 100 yards as you can with a scope? Wow, that's good to know. I always found it easier to decrease group size by increasing magnification size. So, why the need or desire for scopes with 3x or 4x magnification if the irons will produce the same results?
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1
Campfire Oracle
|
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1 |
Why ask a question if you already know the answers?
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 34,327 Likes: 10
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 34,327 Likes: 10 |
Why ask a question if you already know the answers?
Wooo, sorry! Why post if you have nothing but sarcasm and ridicule for the less experienced than yourself. AZZ Hole!
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1
Campfire Oracle
|
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1 |
I say he is full of BS or on crack, but I have been wrong before. Wrong again, not a difficult concept to follow, but please accept my apology, lets try again. There are some people that can shoot open sight VEDDY well indeed. Lots of it depends on what you consider accuracy. If it's just about group size then on average folks can do much better with less practice with a scope, but not all. If it's about hitting a thang (rock, critter, can etc) with one shot then it's again about the person behind the trigger. I understand that because some people can't do something that they assume it can't be done, but not to worry you are still SPECIAL in your own way. How's that?
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 902
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 902 |
I say he is full of BS or on crack, but I have been wrong before.
Wrong again, not a difficult concept to follow, but please accept my apology, lets try again. There are some people that can shoot open sight VEDDY well indeed. Lots of it depends on what you consider accuracy. If it's just about group size then on average folks can do much better with less practice with a scope, but not all. If it's about hitting a thang (rock, critter, can etc) with one shot then it's again about the person behind the trigger. I understand that because some people can't do something that they assume it can't be done, but not to worry you are still SPECIAL in your own way. How's that? LOVE IT!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,371 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,371 Likes: 1 |
I've seen a friend shoot a 50 shot 1" group @ 100 yards, with his AR-15 using the 4 shooting positions & 10 were rapid fire. This was with peep sites. Most folks can't do that from a bench with a scoped varmint rifle.
1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994
"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~
|
|
|
|
|
532 members (12344mag, 1Longbow, 10gaugemag, 1badf350, 117LBS, 1beaver_shooter, 50 invisible),
2,440
guests, and
1,254
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,159
Posts18,502,954
Members73,993
| |
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|
