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he got an amazing amount of money from people who work for big businesses and should know better......I never miss a chance to ask New York lib lawyers how that Obama thing is working out for them.


never knew they was so many commanisses on Wall Street.

Sure you did,....

As reported under US Campaign finance requirements.

This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization's members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors - like EMILY's List and Club for Growth - make for particularly big bundlers.

Top Obama donors:

University of California $1,385,675
Goldman Sachs $980,945
Microsoft Corp $806,299
Harvard University $793,460
Google Inc $790,564
Citigroup Inc $657,268
JPMorgan Chase & Co $650,758
Stanford University $580,904
Sidley Austin LLP $574,938
Time Warner $547,951
National Amusements Inc $541,251
WilmerHale $524,292
UBS AG $522,019
IBM Corp $518,557
Skadden, Arps et al $510,274
Columbia University $503,566
Morgan Stanley $490,873
US Government $479,956
General Electric $479,454
Latham & Watkins $467,311


McCain

Merrill Lynch $371,295
Citigroup Inc $320,251
Morgan Stanley $271,152
Goldman Sachs $230,095
JPMorgan Chase & Co $225,557
US Government $207,829
AT&T Inc $194,913
UBS AG $182,079
Credit Suisse Group $179,053
Wachovia Corp $169,057
PricewaterhouseCoopers $167,900
US Army $162,870
Bank of America $155,251
Blank Rome LLP $154,426
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $150,396
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,437
FedEx Corp $132,974
US Dept of Defense $131,675
Lehman Brothers $125,357
Bear Stearns $117,498

Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/

Nope, the biggest ponzi scheme is taking what little value the dollar actually had and driving it into oblivion, via more socialist spending and corporate/Union bailouts. Now even a 401K ain't worth schitt.

It is if you listened to Ron Paul and took your 401K out of the stock market when it was at 13,600.

Or,...you can listen to the people on Fox News and get used to eating cat food in your old age.

I have a ways to go (35), and some of it was moved....

Won't eat cat food; won't make it to old age.

Absolutely!

Sweet site!

You are correct, it does not happen. In your post you make the same old excuse (as do the masses/minions) to just go along with the system because it�s easier than hurting the feelings of some nut sack licking welfare case. Just my interpretation of your post.

I have earned my goverment benifits and to loose them would not effect my existance one bit. I still can wipe my own ass and when I cant, it is time to fade away.

Pegged it, early on.

StupidAssCharlie, at it again, though he'll never admit that his support of Hussein is what is truly killing this nation.

What exactly do you define as big bucks? And what is "harvesting the country"?

There are many veiled ideas hidden in your words but either you don't have the cajones to say exactly what you want to say or you haven't fully thought it through. Either way, an intelligent discourse will be difficult - and likely end where these type of things always end.

At the risk of offending you, and in conjunction with your previous post, your words sound a little victimish and a little too fatalistic. There is nothing happening in the 2000's that hasn't happened in another time, industry, job market. The scale may be different but if the world is/was a smaller place, moving your job several hundred miles at that time is no different than moving it around the globe today.

I can�t stand fatalistic viewpoints. Those who practice them are bound to stay in that same station in life, those who don�t founded this country. And I thank them.

If you don't like what is happening to you - or has happened - you have the ability to do something about it. It won't be easy, but it can be done.

Again, life is as hard as you make it...............

Well ain't that special.

Well we don't own the globe anymore.

We use to be an industrial based economy producing our own needed goods and much of the worlds. The industrial sector use to drive our economy with the financial sector following in a balanced lockstep.
In the '29-'33 depression our industrial sector was in place to carry us out of that depression. During this time our domestic energy production supported most of our needs and what we did import was easily offset by our industrial output and exports. We were not a debtor nation. Not so anymore.

Over the last ~40 years our economy has been driven by the financial sector as our industrial sector has contracted due to the import of cheaper goods. The financial sector drives the economy with debt. That is the only product the financial sector has to sell. We are a debtor nation now.

The BIG BUCK international banks have harvested our nation.

Look up financialization and read all about it.

Our industrial sector contracted because of obscene capital gains taxes, absurd government regulation and even more obscene labor costs. And it's going to get worse with this marxist in office. Not to mention the HUGE entitlement programs that SAP the country like a growing cancer. When the average salary of a semi-skilled assembly line worker exceeds that of a teacher, we have huge issues. Your last paragraph clearly shows how clueless you are Charlie. jorge

I knew you would eventually say something sensible.

I know I'm not the brightest bulb - but still don't get the harvest metaphor or analogy - whichever it is.

I don't deny the US has slipped in the global manufacturing arena - it has. My point is still - how do you rectify the situation w/o imposing some form of free trade restrictions/incentives? We can continue to bemoan the fact that the industrial base in this country isn't what it was in the 1950-60's. In a free market economy folks have the ability to work for whatever wages they desire and buy products based on those wages. The world works that way. Either figure out how to be more innovative, productive, etc, or dream something up that the consumers want - namely around the globe.

The oxymoronic thing to me is folks bitch and moan about the cheap labor in 3rd world countries stealing all the manufacturing jobs by working for pennies. Do you really think these same folks working for $0.12 an hour are buying the products they make? Are they really buying $20,000 cars? $2500 computers? Wii game systems? Ever been to a Walmart? Somehow the parking lot is full of folks buying cheap things, made in other countries, by the folks making $0.12 an hour. Kind a like bitching about cigarettes killing you as you buy another pack.

At the end of the day, the US is part of a global economy that is consumer driven. No amount of propping up by the US Gov is going to bring back the manufacturing base of the 1950's and 60's. Instead of bitching, lets figure out ways to increase production in the areas we are strong in. I still maintain, manufacturing and assembly jobs are not the future of this country. And I'm not sure it should be because of the aforementioned global payscale. Hi-tech, computers, health care, financials, are where the jobs are - and will continue to be into the future. We simply don't need 6 people to manufacture things any longer. A machine can do the work of these same folks, driven by a better educated operator using a computer. It works that way and has since this country was founded.

It's not that complicated.

Those who have the money to influence government are manipulating it for their own benefit.

You ultimately get to pay for it.

http://sites.google.com/site/disclosuredelta/

it's a serious subject, but we might as well have a little fun as we go. in a fast water stream, and the crew is in an inflatable raft, when it comes time to hold-on, capsize, or do all one can to get through the rapids "intact," the thing to do is to run to the "high-side." it's std issue.

said in other terminology, technology is no respecter of persons, no matter their nationality, or history.

time to move-on. the past is the past. the future, now there's something to consider.

I wonder with the influx of cheap labor into this county, would you guys agree that there are millions of jobs that don't pay what they used to?

Would you guys agree or disagree that millions of jobs that our fathers had no longer afford those who hold them, what our fathers were afforded?

Around my parts for the most part only the educated or the union jobs pay enough to buy a home, if you work the jobs our father held that are not union or do not require college, you rent.

Because middle class jobs have been over run with cheap labor, the middle class workers who gravitate to the last of the good paying jobs are now the enemy?

I wonder if once the government takes over the health care system and demand less wages for doctors, if said doctors form a union to represent them in negotiating with the government, who will be the greedy in that scenario?

the American Medical Association may not be our friend? we need more doctors and nurses. it's a supply problem, unless you own the license to practice. then it might be a license to ensure prosperity for your family, at the expense of others?

seriously, the whole system has become archaic. we've got folks from every corner fighting to preserve the status quo, and meanwhile the status quo is dead and gone. well, it's dead, and nearly gone.

we are all attempting to perpetuate the past. the past is over and done. it's time to rethink. but, how do we do that???