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#3254274 - 08/25/09 12:26 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: CZ550]
BasicBeer Offline
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Originally Posted By: CZ550
Why would you want a Shaw barrel on your Savage when the Savage barrel is one of the most consistently accurate on the market?


Because Savage doesn't offer rifles in some calibers?

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#3254384 - 08/25/09 01:12 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: CZ550]
Paradiddle Offline
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Registered: 07/20/09
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Originally Posted By: CZ550
Why would you want a Shaw barrel on your Savage when the Savage barrel is one of the most consistently accurate on the market?

I just finished shooting a three-shot group into .4375" at 100 yds from my Savage 111 in 300 Win Mag! That's three shots over 3 weeks... one shot per week into the same target, with all the variables that go into dealing with moods, temp and wind over that long period.

The load was 75.5grs RL22, Rem brass, WLRM primers and 180 NP's. MV = 3010 fps.

My Savage is a bottom-end 111 with matt finish and a black syn stock. It doesn't even have the AccuTrigger or AccuStock, though it is pillar bedded and I adjusted the trigger to about 3 lbs.

The scope is no jewel either - a silver 3 - 9X40mm Bushnell Elite (I've had a few of 'em and they work just fine!)

That load will kill anything in North America, and most other big game in the world as well. It is a joy to tote and I don't worry about dings, scrapes or dents. grin

I guess some people just like to spend money on a name though the product may be inferior to the one it replaced. wink

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

I payed $375 CDN for it one year ago and put a scope on it replacing the crappy Simmons, which I already had in my possession.


When I can get a $400 Savage 110 Classic in 6.5x55 Swede tuned, polished, bedded, etc. I'll buy one. Until then - its the least expensive new 6.5 Swede you can get and considering Savage's reputation for accuracy and the great Accutrigger it seems like a good platform to start with.

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#3254715 - 08/25/09 04:04 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: Paradiddle]
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I asked the question because two standard cartridges - 22-250 and 30-06 - were mentioned in this thread! I understand if you're discussing cartridges not chambered by Savage, but that didn't seem to be exclusively so! And I still fail to comprehend the rationale of switching barrels in a common cartridge unless it's for the prestige of the E.R. Shaw name.

The action on my Savage is as slick as any bolt action I've owned, and a lot slicker than most. Much more so than my CZ, a couple of Winchesters, Brownings, Sakos, Mausers, etc. But to each his/her own... I'm not judging... just asking. Thanks anyway for your opinions and replies. smile

Bob

www.bigbores.ca
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#3254836 - 08/25/09 05:00 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: CZ550]
metricman Offline
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that's what i call allowing adequate barrel cooling time
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#3807979 - 02/17/10 02:20 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: metricman]
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Anybody place an order for one of these??

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#3808320 - 02/17/10 04:04 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: Lawdwaz]
Mule Deer Offline
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Registered: 07/24/01
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Loc: Banana Belt, Montana
A few comments:

While Savage factory rifles do shoot, I would say this is despite their barrels, rather than because of them. I have seen several Savage barrels that were incredibly rough and really fouled. This certainly isn't the instance with all of them, but it happens more than occasionally. In fact, I shot a brand new Savage .243 last year that had reamer marks all the way down the bore. I had to applu Ultra Bore Coat before it would group more than 10 shots before getting so fouled that it the groups opened up to 1-1/2 to 2".

I have also owned a heavy-barreled Savage .22-250 that shifted point of impact over an inch at 100 yards after the barrel heated up. This is not good when shooting prairie dogs.

All the E.R. Shaw barrels I have seen since they retooled a few years ago have been pretty darn smooth, with little tendency to foul. By the way, when I'm talking about the roughness of bores, I;m not just talked from the experience of cleaning, but looking througha bore-scope.

The Savage actions on the Shaw rifles have all been blueprinted at the E.R. Shaw factory.

Savages are good rifles, but the E.R. Shaw rifle is a step up, especially if you want a rifle for a cartridge Savage doesn't chamber.
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#3809025 - 02/17/10 07:14 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: Mule Deer]
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Another reason to get the Shaw is that they don't have that ugly barrel nut.
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#3809209 - 02/17/10 08:18 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: nsaqam]
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What benchrest match has a Shaw barrel won lately?
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#3809336 - 02/17/10 09:12 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: BarryC]
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English Pointers win the National Pointing Dog Championship almost exclusively. Doesn't mean you can't get an excellent, Setter, Britteny, Springer, etc to hunt with.


Edited by battue (02/17/10 10:09 PM)
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#3809404 - 02/17/10 09:59 PM Re: Pros and Cons of E.R. Shaw Mark VII [Re: BarryC]
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Registered: 11/19/05
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Loc: NW Georgia
Originally Posted By: BarryC
What benchrest match has a Shaw barrel won lately?


He is not looking for a benchrest rifle. Apples and Oranges my friend.

RH
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